Depth is going to be the key for The Jets

[YJF]

When you look at The Jets roster. You don't see alot of star players. Outside of Jonathan Vilma. The Jets have a roster filled with above average to good players.

The Jets had three players last year who were star players in this league in Kevin Mawae, John Abraham and Ty Law. All three are gone.

Without alot of star players, The Jets are going to have to get it done as a team. The whole has to be stronger than the parts. It's gotta be built like a team. Instead of having one star player at a particular position. The Jets need to be 3 deep at every position with 3 guys who can all do good jobs. The preference probably for Eric Mangini is 3 guys at every position who can all do different things well.

One of the strongest atributes of The New England Patriots during their championship run was how their front office and coaching staff maximized roster value. They were able to survive injuries because they had so many interchangeable parts. Players who could play several different positions. If each guys counts as 2. Then your 53 man roster becomes a 106 man roster. It also helped with the cap and it's the reason that star players were let go because that formula would be disrupted if major money was thrown into one or two particular players. What you see around the league is teams with star players backed up by inferior players who make no money and have no proven track records. The Pats were a success by getting away from that formula and never deviating from their philosophies.

Sure none of the success, The Pats had, comes to fruition if Tom Brady doesn't emerge as a superstar and if he doesn't stay healthy. Once you get a star QB, You are halfway home. The Jets don't have Tom Brady. We all know that but one of the things that exposed The Jets last year was their lack of depth.

They had so much money tied to star players that they struggled to field a complete roster last season. The problem was compounded by injuries. It's very telling that when The Jets started the season last year, They didn't fill out a complete 53 man roster and 8 man practice squad. They couldn't. It may not seem like much but you need to have your full compliment of players on the field and in practice in order to be successful.

I know that Jets fans hate when comparisons are made towards New England. They want us to follow our own direction and for us not to copy The Pats way of doing things. The truth is that The new regime is following The Pats model of doing things.

When you look at The Pats. They got it done in so many areas by having interchangeable parts and versatile players. They needed that for the roster and for the versatile schemes. They played everything on offense and defense. The Pats roster was not overwhelmingly loaded with star players. They had their fair share of star players who never got their just due during the run but the team was mostly filled with alot of good role players at every spot rather than just a few star players at certain spots. Often times when outsiders looked at The Pats roster. They wondered how that team was winning so much. Before Corey Dillon, The Pats didn't have a star RB. It was a commitee with different types of players serving different roles. Antowain Smith was your power back and Kevin Faulk was your third down back. The Pats WR's were better than people gave them credit for but they didn't have that Randy Moss type front line player. What they did have was 4 capable and quality starting WR's in Brown, Givens, Branch and Patten. You saw this at every position for New England. Even their offensive line wasn't loaded with three Willie Roafs. It was a bunch of workman type guys working well together. Remember the jobs that Russ Hochstein and company did against Carolina's vaunted front.

The Jets new braintrust has changed the way things operate. They have changed the way they scout players and this team is going to be shaped differently on the field and off. Rather than fielding a team with a bunch of superstars. They are going to look for depth and versatility at every spot. It's their goal and they want certain types of players who can fill those areas.

The issue that The Jets have is that they don't have the core players that New England has had. Mangini and his staff have to find those guys and it won't happen overnight. The Pats had Brady, Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison and McGinest. That was their umbrella on the field and then underneath that umbrella was a deep and versatile roster with smart and tough role players.

The Jets won't be ready to take the big step forward until those players are indentified and established. The team needs new leaders. Those guys, New England had are like coaches on the field. In order for The Jets to be competitive and in the mix in 2006 for the playoffs and beyond. They are going to need to be a complete team.

[NIGHT STALKER]

When you look at The Jets roster. You don't see alot of star players. Outside of Jonathan Vilma. The Jets have a roster filled with above average to good players.

The Jets had three players last year who were star players in this league in Kevin Mawae, John Abraham and Ty Law. All three are gone.

Without alot of star players, The Jets are going to have to get it done as a team. The whole has to be stronger than the parts. It's gotta be built like a team. Instead of having one star player at a particular position. The Jets need to be 3 deep at every position with 3 guys who can all do good jobs. The preference probably for Eric Mangini is 3 guys at every position who can all do different things well.

One of the strongest atributes of The New England Patriots during their championship run was how their front office and coaching staff maximized roster value. They were able to survive injuries because they had so many interchangeable parts. Players who could play several different positions. If each guys counts as 2. Then your 53 man roster becomes a 106 man roster. It also helped with the cap and it's the reason that star players were let go because that formula would be disrupted if major money was thrown into one or two particular players. What you see around the league is teams with star players backed up by inferior players who make no money and have no proven track records. The Pats were a success by getting away from that formula and never deviating from their philosophies.

Sure none of the success, The Pats had, comes to fruition if Tom Brady doesn't emerge as a superstar and if he doesn't stay healthy. Once you get a star QB, You are halfway home. The Jets don't have Tom Brady. We all know that but one of the things that exposed The Jets last year was their lack of depth.

They had so much money tied to star players that they struggled to field a complete roster last season. The problem was compounded by injuries. It's very telling that when The Jets started the season last year, They didn't fill out a complete 53 man roster and 8 man practice squad. They couldn't. It may not seem like much but you need to have your full compliment of players on the field and in practice in order to be successful.

I know that Jets fans hate when comparisons are made towards New England. They want us to follow our own direction and for us not to copy The Pats way of doing things. The truth is that The new regime is following The Pats model of doing things.

When you look at The Pats. They got it done in so many areas by having interchangeable parts and versatile players. They needed that for the roster and for the versatile schemes. They played everything on offense and defense. The Pats roster was not overwhelmingly loaded with star players. They had their fair share of star players who never got their just due during the run but the team was mostly filled with alot of good role players at every spot rather than just a few star players at certain spots. Often times when outsiders looked at The Pats roster. They wondered how that team was winning so much. Before Corey Dillon, The Pats didn't have a star RB. It was a commitee with different types of players serving different roles. Antowain Smith was your power back and Kevin Faulk was your third down back. The Pats WR's were better than people gave them credit for but they didn't have that Randy Moss type front line player. What they did have was 4 capable and quality starting WR's in Brown, Givens, Branch and Patten. You saw this at every position for New England. Even their offensive line wasn't loaded with three Willie Roafs. It was a bunch of workman type guys working well together. Remember the jobs that Russ Hochstein and company did against Carolina's vaunted front.

The Jets new braintrust has changed the way things operate. They have changed the way they scout players and this team is going to be shaped differently on the field and off. Rather than fielding a team with a bunch of superstars. They are going to look for depth and versatility at every spot. It's their goal and they want certain types of players who can fill those areas.

The issue that The Jets have is that they don't have the core players that New England has had. Mangini and his staff have to find those guys and it won't happen overnight. The Pats had Brady, Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison and McGinest. That was their umbrella on the field and then underneath that umbrella was a deep and versatile roster with smart and tough role players.

The Jets won't be ready to take the big step forward until those players are indentified and established. The team needs new leaders. Those guys, New England had are like coaches on the field. In order for The Jets to be competitive and in the mix in 2006 for the playoffs and beyond. They are going to need to be a complete team.

Good points..any team in any sport needs depth to go the distance. Injuries play a big part, especially in the NFL where guys go down all the time...hell, we had two QB's go down within plays of each other. Pats are a good example how depth can overcome these holes in the road and sometimes, your depth may outplay your frontline players.

[mbn007]

Good post. Hopefully, some of this year's draft can play a bit (besides the 1st rounders, who hopefully can play a lot!!) and add depth. Right now, the defensive backfield looks OK as far as depth, as does the L/B crew (still could use an OLB, IMO) and O.Line (if Jones is still counted on as the R/T).

R/B and W/R could use a bit of help, although if Curtis is healthy, that helps at R/B with Houston, Blaylock and company. F/B is very weak with Askew and ??? Hope we get some help from the draft.

Oh yeah. Q/B. If Chad is healthy, we should be OK here, no matter who starts. If not, then Clemens is the backup, 1 snap away from being thrown in to the wolves. This would be a little discouraging this season.

[faba]

That is the "TEAM CONCEPT" that we want to have -it has been proven over and over a bunch of name superstars guarantees nothing for you to be successful

[LionelRichie]

When you look at The Jets roster. You don't see alot of star players. Outside of Jonathan Vilma. The Jets have a roster filled with above average to good players.

more like a roster full of JAG's. the nfl is a team league and mangini should put the players in the right place to make plays. the team concept defitnely works it is just a matter of time. don't expect miracles overnight this is a long-term project.

[Tinstar2]

That was a nice wonderful post that means absolutely nothing.The success of the Pats can be attributed to 2 key payers on the team and it's once vaunted coaching staff.

Before the Pats discovered Tom Brady,they sucked even with that vaunted coaching staff.Last yr,when the Pats played defense without Teddy Bruschi,they were dead last in the league as a team defensively.

I'll give them their vaunted coaching staff,and take away Brady and Bruschi and that team will fall flat on it's azz just like the Jets did last yr.The difference between the Pats and the Jets over the past 5 yrs was 2 simple things.They leader Tom Brady stayed relatively healthy and improved his game with a confidence gained with winning and his physical development.Our leader spent more time injured and unable to develop physically and confidently.The skill position players on the Pats were basically the same over that span while ours were coles,jmac,moss,conway and chrebet with not 1 pair being together for more than 1 season with the QB.

There was 1 other factor,and it was their coaching staff.

[SouthernJet]

turd removal will be important also

[YJF]

That was a nice wonderful post that means absolutely nothing.The success of the Pats can be attributed to 2 key payers on the team and it's once vaunted coaching staff.

Before the Pats discovered Tom Brady,they sucked even with that vaunted coaching staff.Last yr,when the Pats played defense without Teddy Bruschi,they were dead last in the league as a team defensively.

I'll give them their vaunted coaching staff,and take away Brady and Bruschi and that team will fall flat on it's azz just like the Jets did last yr.The difference between the Pats and the Jets over the past 5 yrs was 2 simple things.They leader Tom Brady stayed relatively healthy and improved his game with a confidence gained with winning and his physical development.Our leader spent more time injured and unable to develop physically and confidently.The skill position players on the Pats were basically the same over that span while ours were coles,jmac,moss,conway and chrebet with not 1 pair being together for more than 1 season with the QB.

There was 1 other factor,and it was their coaching staff.

All good points and I made The Brady point in my initial post. The thing to remember is that, that team and staff won a superbowl with Brady as a relative novice who played well but didn't carry the team in 2001. They don't win The AFC Championship in Pittsburgh in 2001 if not for special teams and defense. Bledsoe actually came off the bench to help The Pats win that game.

You can play the take away game from any team in The NFL. Take away any teams two or three best players and then see what happens. But individual players do not win superbowls. Teams win superbowls. Do The Pats win their superbowls without Brady???...probably not but Does Tom Brady win a superbowl without the right structure and support system around him? NO..... The Pats won games and eventually won championships by having a strong overall team. Brady wasn't throwing for 500 yards every week and winning games 51 to 49. There have been many times where Tom has come through big in the clutch and has carried his team in games and that's what makes him great but The Pats team won championships not Tom Brady.

[bitonti]

take away adam vinaitieri they win nothing

[YJF]

turd removal will be important also

On this website as well but will it be the "key"....

[Tinstar2]

All good points and I made The Brady point in my initial post. The thing to remember is that that team and staff won a superbowl with Brady as a relative novice who played well but didn't carry the team in 2001. They don't win The AFC Championship in Pittsburgh in 2001 if not for special teams and defense. Bledsoe actually came off the bench to help The Pats win that game.

You can play the take away game from any team in The NFL. Take away any teams two or three best players and then see what happens. But individual players do not win superbowls. Teams win superbowls. Do The Pats win their superbowls without Brady???...probably not but Does Tom Brady win a superbowl without the right structure and support system around him? NO..... The Pats won games and eventually won championships by having a strong overall team. Brady wasn't throwing for 500 yards every week and winning games 51 to 49. There have been many times where Tom has come through big in the clutch and has carried his team in games and that's what makes him great but The Pats team won championships not Tom Brady.

Let me ask you this.let's say that the jets team that went into Pittsburg had a 100% healthy Chad Pennington.Is that game even competative and are we Jet fans not pumped to play the next weekend in NE.

That Pats team was relatively the same at the start of the season in 01 with Bledsoe at QB.They came into the meadowlands with their season on the line,and we jumped all over them before Vinny decided to get generousand practically give them the game.

I still get haunted everytime i think that just maybe had we kicked the snaut out of em on that sunday,we could have been the team propelled into the playoffs behind Al Groh.

[YJF]

take away adam vinaitieri they win nothing

Jets fans have such a inferiority complex when it comes to The Pats and they try everything they can to give that team as little credit as possible.

Alot of taking away going on. Take away him, take away that, what if this, what if that, tuck this and tuck that. You can do that to any team that has ever won a championship.

Let's pretend and use jet fan hater logic that Vinatieri misses all his kicks and The Pats win no superbowls. They still built a successful football team by using a successful formula without having alot of star players or using alot of money and cap space.

I consider The Eagles a winning franchise the last few years and I give their coaching and scouting department credit. They don't have the hardware but that doesn't mean that they haven't done a good job and aren't a model franchise. In my opinion.

[YJF]

Let me ask you this.let's say that the jets team that went into Pittsburg had a 100% healthy Chad Pennington.Is that game even competative and are we Jet fans not pumped to play the next weekend in NE.

That Pats team was relatively the same at the start of the season in 01 with Bledsoe at QB.They came into the meadowlands with their season on the line,and we jumped all over them before Vinny decided to get generousand practically give them the game.

I still get haunted everytime i think that just maybe had we kicked the snaut out of em on that sunday,we could have been the team propelled into the playoffs behind Al Groh.

Alot of what ifs tinstar.

If Matt Bahr misses a field goal and Roger Craig doesn't fumble. The Niners may have three peat.

Don't get me wrong, It's been frustrating for Jets fans. 2001 was frustrating. That was Herm's first year and The Pats first superbowl.In that year, We lost the division by a game. Maybe things work out differently that year but who knows. The Jets actually set up The 2001 tuck game by John Hall making the kick to get us into the playoffs in Oakland. If Oakland wins that game, They get homefield advantage and The tuck game in foxboro never happens. The Jets factored into Pats history alot that year by injuring Bledsoe and then getting The Pats a home game in Foxboro.

In 2000 under Groh, The Pats with BB were 5 and 11 and they were a non factor. The Jets choked down the stretch and the locker room turned on Groh. Pats were trying to build a championship model.

[mbn007]

Alot of what ifs tinstar.

If Matt Bahr misses a field goal and Roger Craig doesn't fumble. The Niners may have three peat.

That was one of the best, if not the best, 49er teams during their run those years.