Jets run "blocking"

[Sperm Edwards]

We knew there would be growing pains & probably didn't seem to mind as much when we thought this team had little chance vs anyone above the Titans' level. But with us unable to ball-control our 16-point lead in Tennessee and then yesterday making it close vs a good (defensive) team, the OL weaknesses are magnified even more:

LEFT TACKLE: Rookie

LEFT GUARD: First-year player from the SF practice squad getting subbed out by a TE-turned-failed-left tackle-turned-failed-right tackle-now turned into a stopgap left guard.

CENTER: Rookie

RIGHT GUARD:Should-be-hold-the-fort starter

RIGHT TACKLE: Cardinals/49'ers reject

Throw in another reject/castaway, mixed in with a few doses of B.J. "I'm not getting re-signed" Askew playing fullback, and a moderate (not horrible like Jolley, but certainly not above average) blocker in Baker.

Frankly it's amazing that we're not reading that it's Pennington getting sacked 8-9x/game like a few others have been so far. They're giving him enough time to throw, but this crew sure can't run-block.

I think we'll see some improvement this year:

Kendall won't be out for the season with this injury;

Rookie OLmen don't have their careers peak by their 2nd NFL games;

More time playing along side each other.

Trey Teague may find his way into the lineup at some point, but don’t expect too much from him; coming off injury and he wasn’t exactly playing at a pro-bowl level for Buffalo anyway before we scooped him up this offseason for the league-minimum money on a 4-12 rebuilding team.

But I don't think, as some have alluded to, that our running woes are because we don't have some clear-cut fantasy halfback who runs like the wind. Yesterday Reggie Bush got 0.8 ypc. Does that mean he suddenly was worse than Kevan Barlow? Nonsense. When you get engulfed by 3+ defenders converging on you from all directions after 1 yard, you are going nowhere & it doesn't matter what name is on the back of the jersey.

I don't doubt that a top talent would do better than our current crew of Blaylock & Barlow. But I do doubt they'd be sniffing at 1200 yards running behind the current blockers we've got. There simply isn't any hole to find, nor any time to get there even if there was one.

You can clamor all you want about “Adrian Peterson next year” but he won’t be lighting it up without blocking. People forget that all these college running backs spend most of their time playing against defenders who couldn’t make an NFL practice squad. I'm sure he’d still break one now & then & take it to the house a few times, but in between he’d still get 2-3 ypc at best behind the “blockers” we have now. We'd also lose our QB as well behind a rookie HB's skills at picking up a blitz.

On the plus-side, I think it will improve (if for no other reason other than my disbelief in the potential for getting worse). We addressed the OL in the off-season with drafting two first-rounders. But clearly this needs to be addressed further next year and, if we hope to make a giant stride into the league's top-10 or better, it can't be with rookies. Minimum needed is an experienced RT; an OG to relegate Moore to being what he should be – an outstanding backup guard - would be helpful; and a true blocker at FB if such an available player exists. I don't think we should gamble the season on a converted TE who just missed his entire rookie season.

And yes, a power HB who runs like the wind would be nice too.

[JetCane]

Not to excuse the OL from poor run blocking, but how many times did our RBs run smack into the back of a blocker at the LOS. Not much field vision from our rbs.

[raffyD]

No room to run yesterday, simply no room. Pass blocking was impressive at times.

[mudcat21]

Adrian Jones tackled our RB on one play.

[JetCane]

Adrian Jones tackled our RB on one play.

LOL!

Yes he did.

I dont see how you can put the blame for the lack of running game on only the rbs or the OL. It's not one or the other. Neither of these units is doing much of anything to help the situation.

[#27TheDominator]

I agree. I only dispute one "fact." Adrian Jones is a TE turned failed RT, turned failed LT, turned failed RT.

I feel the blocking will get better and I also can only see how it the rookies will improve. OTOH, I felt the same way about Jones as the years passed and thought the switch back to the right would only help him.

As far as Reggie Bush goes, it's not just the lack of blocking. Otherwise Duece wouldn't be doing anything either. It takes most young backs some time to get into the running game. For every Earl Campbell there are 10 guys that take a year or two to get in the swing.

[faba]

LOL!

Yes he did.

I dont see how you can put the blame for the lack of running game on only the rbs or the OL. It's not one or the other. Neither of these units is doing much of anything to help the situation.

True the backs and the o/line have to share the blame but we must realize we have no all star in the backfield so the lack of holes is magnified with no creative back there.

[#27TheDominator]

True the backs and the o/line have to share the blame but we must realize we have no all star in the backfield so the lack of holes is magnified with no creative back there.

This is true, but sometimes a "creative" back is even worse with a bad line.

[PeterNorth09]

D'Brickashaw Ferguson is a pass-blocking specialist. Nobody ever talked about his run blocking, only his ability to pass block. Dominant O-line are excellent at both i.e Willie Roaf and I don't see a finesse pass blocker like Ferguson becoming a bull dozer run blocker like Willie Roaf or Orlando Pace.

Our running game is simply non-existent. The way to solve it is to draft Adrian Peterson in the first round of next year's draft. I would really like to see the Jets go after Brian Leonard from Rutgers, that guy can flat out play. Tremendous run-blocker and receiver out of the backfield. Use picks in the later rounds to upgrade at RT and RG.

The Pats got the steal of the draft with O'Callaghan in the 5th round. How many yards did the Pats RB's get on the Jets yesterday? And the guy is a rookie.

[Boozer76]

None of the OL is blocking well in the running game. That being said, Moore, Clement, Katnick/Jones are absolutely atrocious. We really need Teague and Kendall on the OL badly. With those on the line B Moore becomes the biggest liability which I could live with. Personally I'd like to see Kendall at RG and Teague at RT and use that side of the line for most of the running attempts.

[flgreen]

Thought you were a little hard on AJ, and the Rookies have actually played fairly well.

Aside from that you nailed it.

It's the rest of them. Bad stuff, and I'm not saying AJ is playing well, but in comparison.................

I thought one of these guys would step up, and we would have 3 solid players. Hasn't happened yet.

The running game has to improve. With Pennington and the receivers playing at the level they are, this team could just squeeze into the playoffs, if they can find some semblance of a running game.

I just don't know where it is going to come from

Hope Mangini does

[joewilly]

great post sperm.you pretty much nailed it. I think Barlow was a good pickup. We can only get better & I hope to read about someone, anyone getting picked up this week to help the oline.

[Maxman]

Adrian Jones tackled our RB on one play.

Seeing your left guards heading into the backfield with that much steam is never a good thing.

[rajensen088]

Not to excuse the OL from poor run blocking, but how many times did our RBs run smack into the back of a blocker at the LOS. Not much field vision from our rbs.

Here's Blaylock's stats behind a great offensive line (Chiefs) and a poor offensive line (Jets)

Blaylock

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235027

Here's Barlow's. First few years in SF decent OL and last two in SF which had a poor line and with the Jets poor offensive line:

Barlow

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235019

Jets line is no better than last years line after injuries to Fabini and Mawae.

Take away Pennngton and his receivers and this team is a laughing stock.

Yer doin' a heckuva job Tangini.

[Boozer76]

Yer doin' a heckuva job Tangini.

I say this with complete honesty and sincerity. You are a bonafide idiot. Seriously man. We manhandled TEN, and were it not for a bunch of ridiculous shanks from your buddy Bradway's reach last year we would crushed them on the scoreboard as well. The following week we had a chance at the end to beat a perrenial SB winner who won the division last year. All of this with numerous rookies and JAG's starting for us thanks to Bradway and herm demolishing an otherwise up and coming tem.

How's those green pastures in KC working out for your lover in KC? Looks like they look alot more like Roseanne Barr than Angelina Jolie as you so eloquently put it in the past. Even better is the irony of numerous clock mismanagement situations that cost them points and in the casre of this past week, the game. Here's a little hint for you, your preacher boy's teet is not between his legs, and that ain't milk your swallowing.

[Sperm Edwards]

[Barton]

Here's Blaylock's stats behind a great offensive line (Chiefs) and a poor offensive line (Jets)

Blaylock

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235027

Here's Barlow's. First few years in SF decent OL and last two in SF which had a poor line and with the Jets poor offensive line:

Barlow

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235019

Jets line is no better than last years line after injuries to Fabini and Mawae.

Take away Pennngton and his receivers and this team is a laughing stock.

Yer doin' a heckuva job Tangini.

Fabini and Mawae will be out of the NFL in 2 years.

Would it have been a good plan to replace them in the 3rd year of Manginis tenure, or the 1st year?

Answer this f#cking question you dumb a##hole. I am so sick of your stupid little wisea$$ bullsh#t that you spread on this board.

Go get a link to PFT about how much Justin Miller sucks, and stick it up your fu#cking a##.

[raffyD]

I say this with complete honesty and sincerity. You are a bonafide idiot. Seriously man. We manhandled TEN, and were it not for a bunch of ridiculous shanks from your buddy Bradway's reach last year we would crushed them on the scoreboard as well. The following week we had a chance at the end to beat a perrenial SB winner who won the division last year. All of this with numerous rookies and JAG's starting for us thanks to Bradway and herm demolishing an otherwise up and coming tem.

How's those green pastures in KC working out for your lover in KC? Looks like they look alot more like Roseanne Barr than Angelina Jolie as you so eloquently put it in the past. Even better is the irony of numerous clock mismanagement situations that cost them points and in the casre of this past week, the game. Here's a little hint for you, your preacher boy's teet is not between his legs, and that ain't milk your swallowing.

That might have been the funniest thing I ever read on this site, POTW NOM!

[Preston Howley III]

Moore, Clement, Katnick/Jones are absolutely atrocious.

Bingo.

I think Moore was lost in the wash the last five years, but now that he's become the "veteran" boy, does he suck.

Tony Wise has to find a way to mix Teague and Kendall into this line.

[war ensemble]

The pass blocking didn't impress me much either. Pennington seems to have a better sense of the rush in the pocket, he's picking it up, rolling out, and eluding quaterbacks. He broke quite a few tackles last week, and the TD's to Cotchery and Coles were both made just in time, as he got tackled on both plays. THAT was the most impressive thing I saw out of Pennington.

We need help run blocking for next season, either through free agency or the draft. The running backs aren't getting anything, because there's no hole for them to run through, although I think they should have a little more creativity and try cutting back to the other side or something, because running it right up the gut isn't working. Barlow should be getting moe carries than Blaylock.

[JetCane]

Bingo.

I think Moore was lost in the wash the last five years, but now that he's become the "veteran" boy, does he suck.

Tony Wise has to find a way to mix Teague and Kendall into this line.

With the thin depth of quality on the ol, the injury to kendall hurt.

i like barlow under the circumstances, but he has to step it up, too.

[Preston Howley III]

With the thin depth of quality on the ol, the injury to kendall hurt.

i like barlow under the circumstances, but he has to step it up, too.

Coles and Pennington are leading the NFL in Yards. Cotchery is right up there with them.

Think about what this offense will do when we get the running game kick started.

[oktaren]

Coles and Pennington are leading the NFL in Yards. Cotchery is right up there with them.

Think about what this offense will do when we get the running game kick started.

very good point. they have passed very well with NO rushing attack at all...

i think the pass blocking has been a pleasant suprise, not great by any means, but much better than i thought it would be.

the run blocking has been poor, but the running backs haven't done anything either. im glad brick and mangold are starting this year. i would like to get them in there asap and i think they have done a decent job so far and will only get better. i hope kendall comes back soon, and i hope he can still play at a decent level, that would be a huge help. i haven't thought much of moore for a while. he is ok, and if he was the only weak link, well i could live with it, but he is only 1/3 of it right now. i think clement is terrible. about as bad as lg is without kendall. we really need to address rt at some point. i was really hoping someone would step up there, but i guess not.

[Preston Howley III]

very good point. they have passed very well with NO rushing attack at all...

i think the pass blocking has been a pleasant suprise, not great by any means, but much better than i thought it would be.

the run blocking has been poor, but the running backs haven't done anything either. im glad brick and mangold are starting this year. i would like to get them in there asap and i think they have done a decent job so far and will only get better. i hope kendall comes back soon, and i hope he can still play at a decent level, that would be a huge help. i haven't thought much of moore for a while. he is ok, and if he was the only weak link, well i could live with it, but he is only 1/3 of it right now. i think clement is terrible. about as bad as lg is without kendall. we really need to address rt at some point. i was really hoping someone would step up there, but i guess not.

Maybe they insert Wade Smith at one of the guard spots. Is he a road grader?