stormshadow19 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Raiders just traded up. Washington or Rodgers? Looks to be Washington. Now, if the Packers don't pick Rodgers, then they're freakin fried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 ***exhales*** raiders traded up for fabian washington CMON BRADWAY, GET MILLER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Now I'm upset.... I wanted Clayton, ****it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAJetsFan Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 So, basically, the Raiders traded Jolley, 2nd round pick, 4th round pick, and 2 6th round picks for Washington. They better be right about him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 ***exhales*** raiders traded up for fabian washington CMON BRADWAY, GET MILLER! Justin Miller is SO MUCH NOT a Jets player, it is silly. Bradway DOES NOT want undersized corners. Neither do I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 rogers to green bay is not a lock IMO, they love charlie frye. this is the time to strike a deal with green bay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 rogers to green bay is not a lock IMO, they love charlie frye. this is the time to strike a deal with green bay! Repeat-Bradway DOES NOT want an undersized corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 If the Pack passes on Rodgers, the Skins will take him, and they'll have the biggest heist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Repeat-Bradway DOES NOT want an undersized corner. And neither does anyone else and for good reason. EB give it up man, Miller won't be a Jet and it's a GOOD thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 And neither does anyone else and for good reason. EB give it up man, Miller won't be a Jet and it's a GOOD thing. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Green Bay took Aaron Rodgers. A top ten graded player at number 24? Not bad at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 I respect your opinion and understand why you don't want him but at 5'10 1/2 and 200lbs he is certainly NOT undersized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 I'd rather have Marlin Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 I respect your opinion and understand why you don't want him but at 5'10 1/2 and 200lbs he is certainly NOT undersized. He is 5-10 standing on a phone book. He does not fit Bradways prototype CB-He likes them tall and physical. Note that Aaron Glenn was ridden out (partly due to salary). The Jets, typically, have been very careful NOT to select players with scrapes with the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 I'd rather have Marlin Jackson. That would have been my pick if we were still at 26. If he is sitting around 35, I say we should make a move for him. Give a 4 next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 That would have been my pick if we were still at 26. If he is sitting around 35, I say we should make a move for him. Give a 4 next year Can't aruge with that... I've liked Marlin, since I've seen him play since he was a freshman here at Michigan. Also wouldn't mind tabbing Shazor on the second day, should he fall to the Jets in the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 completely due to salary... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Papi Green Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 alright!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5 hours and we're exactly half way to our first pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 marlin jackson should be a safety, he doesn't have the catchup speed to play corner in this league. I watched plenty of michigan games last year. He won't be anything more than a solid #2 corner at best. tx I hear the pats like brodney pool ALOT. also, odell thurman and barett ruud would be intersting picks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Barton is right. People get too hung up on size. Miller is perfectly well sized for a corner--- it's not a big plus for him, but whatever--- he's taller than Pac Man IIRC.... Also Barton must be getting ready to perform Seppuku right now.... So Miller, Miller, Barnes, Jackson, and Pool are all there at 26. Good thing you guys traded down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 marlin jackson should be a safety, he doesn't have the catchup speed to play corner in this league. I watched plenty of michigan games last year. He won't be anything more than a solid #2 corner at best. tx I hear the pats like brodney pool ALOT. also, odell thurman and barett ruud would be intersting picks.. Uh... Marlin Jackson ran a 4.45 40. Your boy ran an unofficial (from what I could find) 4.41. Oh yeah, he's real slow, and lacks that catch up speed. What you seem to be forgetting is that Marlin is a football player. Yeah, the type that has instincts and doesn't get beat easily. While he may or may not be a stud "shutdown" corner, he'll be a damn good CB. And, he's going to make one team real happy. The Seahawks just picked a Center. A center none of us picked in the first four rounds of our draft. Leave it to the 'Hawks to screw up the draft and let another damn good player fall. He could have been had with their second pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Barton is right. People get too hung up on size. Miller is perfectly well sized for a corner--- it's not a big plus for him, but whatever--- he's taller than Pac Man IIRC.... Also Barton must be getting ready to perform Seppuku right now.... So Miller, Miller, Barnes, Jackson, and Pool are all there at 26. Good thing you guys traded down. In TODAY"S NFL size means a lot at the corner position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 marlin jackson should be a safety, he doesn't have the catchup speed to play corner in this league. I watched plenty of michigan games last year. He won't be anything more than a solid #2 corner at best. tx I hear the pats like brodney pool ALOT. also, odell thurman and barett ruud would be intersting picks.. Marlin Jackson is a ball Hawk and positions his body very well. I know one thing, I did not see any WR's running by him, so his speed can't be that poor. He is a FOOTBALL player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean Papi Green Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Uh... Marlin Jackson ran a 4.45 40. Your boy ran an unofficial (from what I could find) 4.41. Oh yeah, he's real slow, and lacks that catch up speed. What you seem to be forgetting is that Marlin is a football player. Yeah, the type that has instincts and doesn't get beat easily. While he may or may not be a stud "shutdown" corner, he'll be a damn good CB. And, he's going to make one team real happy. The Seahawks just picked a Center. A center none of us picked in the first four rounds of our draft. Leave it to the 'Hawks to screw up the draft and let another damn good player fall. He could have been had with their second pick. good, better player may fall to us then!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Barton is right. Dude... did you just say that? Are you ok? Lack of sleep or food? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 tx I hear the pats like brodney pool ALOT. also, odell thurman and barett ruud would be intersting picks.. I'd have no problem with Pool or Thurman. Not to keen on Ruud however (visions of Andy Katzenmoyer ) I still hope either Justin Miller or Marlin Jackson are sitting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 In TODAY"S NFL size means a lot at the corner position. Golly, someone had better let Bill Belichick know that... Size helps, but it is significantly overrated, particularly since shorter guys tend to be quicker in their cuts since they aren't long legged. All the more so with the tightening of the PI rules, you're better off with a short guy who can stick with his man than with a tall guy who can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Golly, someone had better let Bill Belichick know that... Size helps, but it is significantly overrated, particularly since shorter guys tend to be quicker in their cuts since they aren't long legged. All the more so with the tightening of the PI rules, you're better off with a short guy who can stick with his man than with a tall guy who can't. I totally disagree- You have to be able to chuck at the line with leverage and control your body. Tall CB's that are athletic are much preferable over shorter ones. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 So Miller, Miller, Barnes, Jackson, and Pool are all there at 26. Good thing you guys traded down. Wow, Bradway was right, he made the trade because no player worth it would be there at #26. So the Jets got a 3rd string TE and two 6th round picks instead of any of those studs. Way to go Terry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Wow, Bradway was right, he made the trade because no player worth it would be there at #26. So the Jets got a 3rd string TE and two 6th round picks instead of any of those studs. Way to go Terry. TX-Not so quick on the uptake, are ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 I totally disagree- You have to be able to chuck at the line with leverage and control your body. Tall CB's that are athletic are much preferable over shorter ones. JMO Tall athletic CBs with the lateral agility to stick with their man and real ball skills are like 290 lb DEs with 4.5 speed.... everyone is looking for one but they are largely a mythical beast. I think there's a VERY reasonable argument that Jackson>Miller.... but I wouldn't write Miller off because he's 1.5 inches short of 6 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Tall athletic CBs with the lateral agility to stick with their man and real ball skills are like 290 lb DEs with 4.5 speed.... everyone is looking for one but they are largely a mythical beast. I think there's a VERY reasonable argument that Jackson>Miller.... but I wouldn't write Miller off because he's 1.5 inches short of 6 feet. Just my feel in watching both players. I saw Jackson probably 5 or 6 times, while I saw Smith maybe only twice. I tend to think that SEC Corners coming out tend to fare better overall, on average than Big 10 CB's. But that is a generalization, and one that OI don't think fits in this case. Again, JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 Just my feel in watching both players. I saw Jackson probably 5 or 6 times, while I saw Smith maybe only twice. I tend to think that SEC Corners coming out tend to fare better overall, on average than Big 10 CB's. But that is a generalization, and one that OI don't think fits in this case. Again, JMO Cept Michigan has a reputation of putting out good NFL corners, such as Ty Law and Charles Woodson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 As much as I hate to admit it, Michigam is a football factory and their players come very prepared to play in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 23, 2005 Share Posted April 23, 2005 How many first rounders are the Falcons going to waste on wide recievers before they realize that their quarterback is the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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