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You will get your answer on Feb 4th. The Bears D is much better than the Colts D.

bears defence is slightly better they have problems stopping the run. but i woulnot be surprise if they win. i predict the first half going the bears way. colts will mount a come back and make it a close exciting game. i look forward to this one

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bears defence is slightly better they have problems stopping the run. but i woulnot be surprise if they win. i predict the first half going the bears way. colts will mount a come back and make it a close exciting game. i look forward to this one

The Bears D creates turnovers. Lots of them. Manning has thrown a bunch of picks in the playoffs so I think it will be closer than most people think.

Keep in mind the Bears had the bye week and the Colts didn't.

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thats almost the same thing as i said. so thankyou?:confused:

It was a similar statement :)

I was trying to point out the Bears D is lot better at creating and capitalizing on turnovers than the Colts D. That makes them the better defense.

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gainzo me and u we know football more than some offence lovin peyton crushin pansies on this website

Not so sure about that. There are plenty of knowledgeable and well informed posters on JN.

I'm not sure who you were arguing with about the whole offense/defense thing.

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Not so sure about that. There are plenty of knowledgeable and well informed posters on JN.

I'm not sure who you were arguing with about the whole offense/defense thing.

i think its dominator or something like that on the new mock draft post they make the same argument over and over and give only one example of how colts got to the super bowl. well how came they never went to the SB before. if offence wonchampionship peyton should have had 4 rings by now

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i think its dominator or something like that on the new mock draft post they make the same argument over and over and give only one example of how colts got to the super bowl. well how came they never went to the SB before. if offence wonchampionship peyton should have had 4 rings by now

Lets give offenSe and defenSe the S it deserves.

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Every superbowl winner had sperstars on offense that helped them to win the big game. Listed below are the QB, LT, RB, and WR / TE that led each Superbowl Champion to victory:

SB QB LT RB WR / TE

1 Bart Star Forrest Gregg Jim Taylor Max McGee

2 Bart Star Forrest Gregg Benjamin Wilson Carroll Dale

3 Joe Namath Winston Hill Matt Snell George Sauer

4 Len Dawson Ron Yary Otis Taylor Mike L. Garrett

5 Johnny Unitas Dan Sullivan Tom Nowatzki John Mackey

6 Roger Staubach Tony Liscio Duane Thomas Lance Alworth

7 Bob Griese Norm Evans Larry Csonka Paul Warfield

8 Bob Griese Norm Evans Larry Csonka Paul Warfield

9 Terry Bradshaw Gordon Gravelle Franco Harris John Stallworth

10 Terry Bradshaw Gordon Gravelle Franco Harris Lynn Swann

11 Ken Stabler Art Shell Clarence Davis Fred Bilitnekoff

12 Roger Staubach Pat Donovan Tony Dorsett Billy Joe Dupree

13 Terry Bradshaw Jon Kolb Franco Harris Lynn Swann

14 Terry Bradshaw Larry Brown Franco Harris John Stallworth

15 Jim Plunkett Art Shell Mark Van Eeghen Cliff Branch

16 Joe Montana Dan Audick Ricky Patton Dwight Clark

17 Joe Theisman Joe Jacoby John Riggins Charlie Brown

18 Jim Plunkett Bruce Davis Marcus Allen Cliff Branch

19 Joe Montana Keith Fanhorst Wendell Tyler Roger Craig

20 Jim McMahon Jim Covert Walter Payton Willie Gault

21 Phil Simms Brad Benson Joe Morris Mark Bavaro

22 Doug Williams Joe Jacoby Timy Smith Ricky Sanders

23 Joe Montana Harris Barton Roger Craig Jerry Rice

24 Joe Montana Harris Barton Roger Craig Jerry Rice

25 Jeff Hostetler Jumbo Elliot Otis Anderson Mark Ingram

26 Mark Rypen Joe Jacoby Ricky Ervins Gary Clark

27 Troy Aikman Mark Tuinei Emmitt Smith Michael Irvin

28 Troy Aikman Mark Tuinei Emmitt Smith Michael Irvin

29 Steve Young Harris Barton Ricky Watters Jerry Rice

30 Troy Aikman Mark Tuinei Emmitt Smith Michael Irvin

31 Brett Farve Earl Dotson Dorsey Levens Antonio Freeman

32 John Elway Gary Zimerman Terrell Davis Ed McCaffrey

33 John Elway Tony Jones Terrell Davis Rod Smith

34 Kurt Warner Orlando Pace Marshall Faulk Torrey Holt

35 Trent Dilfer Jonathan Ogden Jamal Lewis Brandon Stokley

36 Tom Brady Matt Light Antowain Smith Troy Brown

37 Brad Johnson Roman Oben Michael Pittman Keyshawn Johnson

38 Tom Brady Matt Light Antowain Smith Dieon Branch

39 Tom Brady Matt Light Corey Dillon Dieon Branch

40 Ben Rothlisburger Marvel Smith Willie Parker Hines Ward

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Every superbowl winner had sperstars on offense that helped them to win the big game. Listed below are the QB, LT, RB, and WR / TE that led each Superbowl Champion to victory:

SB QB LT RB WR / TE

1 Bart Star Forrest Gregg Jim Taylor Max McGee

2 Bart Star Forrest Gregg Benjamin Wilson Carroll Dale

3 Joe Namath Winston Hill Matt Snell George Sauer

4 Len Dawson Ron Yary Otis Taylor Mike L. Garrett

5 Johnny Unitas Dan Sullivan Tom Nowatzki John Mackey

6 Roger Staubach Tony Liscio Duane Thomas Lance Alworth

7 Bob Griese Norm Evans Larry Csonka Paul Warfield

8 Bob Griese Norm Evans Larry Csonka Paul Warfield

9 Terry Bradshaw Gordon Gravelle Franco Harris John Stallworth

10 Terry Bradshaw Gordon Gravelle Franco Harris Lynn Swann

11 Ken Stabler Art Shell Clarence Davis Fred Bilitnekoff

12 Roger Staubach Pat Donovan Tony Dorsett Billy Joe Dupree

13 Terry Bradshaw Jon Kolb Franco Harris Lynn Swann

14 Terry Bradshaw Larry Brown Franco Harris John Stallworth

15 Jim Plunkett Art Shell Mark Van Eeghen Cliff Branch

16 Joe Montana Dan Audick Ricky Patton Dwight Clark

17 Joe Theisman Joe Jacoby John Riggins Charlie Brown

18 Jim Plunkett Bruce Davis Marcus Allen Cliff Branch

19 Joe Montana Keith Fanhorst Wendell Tyler Roger Craig

20 Jim Plunkett Jim Covert Walter Payton Willie Gault

21 Phil Simms Brad Benson Joe Morris Mark Bavaro

22 Doug Williams Joe Jacoby Timy Smith Ricky Sanders

23 Joe Montana Harris Barton Roger Craig Jerry Rice

24 Joe Montana Harris Barton Roger Craig Jerry Rice

25 Jeff Hostetler Jumbo Elliot Otis Anderson Mark Ingram

26 Mark Rypen Joe Jacoby Ricky Ervins Gary Clark

27 Troy Aikman Mark Tuinei Emmitt Smith Michael Irvin

28 Troy Aikman Mark Tuinei Emmitt Smith Michael Irvin

29 Steve Young Harris Barton Ricky Watters Jerry Rice

30 Troy Aikman Mark Tuinei Emmitt Smith Michael Irvin

31 Brett Farve Earl Dotson Dorsey Levens Antonio Freeman

32 John Elway Gary Zimerman Terrell Davis Ed McCaffrey

33 John Elway Tony Jones Terrell Davis Rod Smith

34 Kurt Warner Orlando Pace Marshall Faulk Torrey Holt

35 Trent Dilfer Jonathan Ogden Jamal Lewis Brandon Stokley

36 Tom Brady Matt Light Antowain Smith Troy Brown

37 Brad Johnson Roman Oben Michael Pittman Keyshawn Johnson

38 Tom Brady Matt Light Antowain Smith Dieon Branch

39 Tom Brady Matt Light Corey Dillon Dieon Branch

40 Ben Rothlisburger Marvel Smith Willie Parker Hines Ward

Superstars like Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypen, Antowain Smith, Timy Smith.........

Should I continue?

Did the Ravens have a superstar on offense in 2000? Did the Pats have a superstar on offense in 2001?

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I didn't know Plunket qb'd the 85 bears. Besides that, you killed your argument listing Trent Dilfer. You know the Ravens won on Defense and so did the Bears.

Jonathan Ogden and Jamal Lewis had as much to do with the victoryy as the defense did.

Also, Shannon Sharpe was a big part of tier 15 win regular season.

You can rip on the rest of their offense as much as you want but Trent Dilfer and the rest of those players controlled the clock, moved the chains, and limited turnovers. As good as the Ravens defense was, they woul have wore down if the offense couldn't give them some rest. Imagine Tony Saragusa playing 45 minutes or more in a game, the man would have had a heart attack.

The '86 bears had Walter Payton (one of the best RBs of all time) and Willie Gault on offense as well as a stout offensive line. Even the Fridge was a part of that offense.

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Superstars like Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypen, Antowain Smith, Timy Smith.........

Should I continue?

Did the Ravens have a superstar on offense in 2000? Did the Pats have a superstar on offense in 2001?

For each of the 40 SB winners I lister their starting QB, starting LT, leading rusher, and leading WR / TE. For every Trent Dilfer on that list there was a Larry Allen, Jay Novacheck, Don Maynard, or Jerome Betis that I left off the list.

Very few teams won the superbowl without a superstar at the quarterback position. Doug Williams and Mark Rypen had at least three potential hall of fame linemen blocking for them. For all the talk about Bellichek's coaching, the Patriots have some very underrated and talented players on both sides of the ball. Antowain Smith won two superbowls as a starting running back, he can't be all that bad.

Also, every SB winner had a solid offensive line. I can't think of one team that was soft up front that won the big game solely because off their defense.

Jonathan Ogden and Tom Brady will both enter the hall of fame as offensive superstars.

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For each of the 40 SB winners I lister their starting QB, starting LT, leading rusher, and leading WR / TE. For every Trent Dilfer on that list there was a Larry Allen, Jay Novacheck, Don Maynard, or Jerome Betis that I left off the list.

Very few teams won the superbowl without a superstar at the quarterback position. Doug Williams and Mark Rypen had at least three potential hall of fame linemen blocking for them. For all the talk about Bellichek's coaching, the Patriots have some very underrated and talented players on both sides of the ball. Antowain Smith won two superbowls as a starting running back, he can't be all that bad.

Also, every SB winner had a solid offensive line. I can't think of one team that was soft up front that won the big game solely because off their defense.

Jonathan Ogden and Tom Brady will both enter the hall of fame as offensive superstars.

You are twisting the stats to make your point. That's cool..

A below or average offense can win a Super Bowl with an above average defense...right?

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You are twisting the stats to make your point. That's cool..

A below or average offense can win a Super Bowl with an above average defense...right?

A below or average offense can win a SB with an outstanding defense. An offense with a poor or average offensive line would need a miracle though.

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A below or average offense can win a SB with an outstanding defense. An offense with a poor or average offensive line would need a miracle though.

You are making my point!

A team with a crappy O-Line probably wouldn't make a Super Bowl unless they had great specials teams and a good/great defense.

Sounds like the Bears!

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You can't simply say "Defense wins championships" and you can't simply say "Offense wins championships" because both sides need the other side, as well as special teams to help them. But,

Strong O/Average D vs Average O/Strong D

Strong O/Average D vs Poor O/Strong D

Strong O/Poor D vs Average O/Strong D

Strong O/Poor D vs Average O/Average D

Strong O/Poor D vs Poor O/Strong D

Strong O/Poor D vs Poor O/Average D

Average O/Average D vs Poor O/Strong D

Average O/Poor D vs Poor O/Strong D

Average O/Poor D vs Poor O/Average D

Decide who wins these games and you'd have an answer, if there is one.

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gainzo me and u we know football more than some offence lovin peyton crushin pansies on this website

i think its dominator or something like that on the new mock draft post they make the same argument over and over and give only one example of how colts got to the super bowl. well how came they never went to the SB before. if offence wonchampionship peyton should have had 4 rings by now

Some people can't read. I never said that you couldn't win a championship on D. The Ravens did it. I said you could win one on O, like the Rams. Or both like dozens of other teams.

The fact that I can understand that the Colts are an offense driven team does not make me a "peyton crushin pansie." I don't even like the guy. Peyton is a choker, that's why they haven't won. I only discuss the Colts because you said it was their D that has gotten them to the title game.

Only a defense lovin' fruitcake would believe the Colts D was "awesome" when they were 2nd worst in rush D and yards allowed for the season. Please explain to everyone how the Colts D has dragged them to the Super Bowl. Dragged Manning/Dallas Clark and 350 passing yards kicking and screaming past the Pats. Giving up 27 points along the way. I'd also like to know what the Bears offense did to "get them to the championship." I'm done with this.

PS: Gainzo, isn't Brady a superstar?

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I'd also like to know what the Bears offense did to "get them to the championship.

Ok, here you go:

Passing Statistics

NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A LNG TD TD% INT INT% SACK YDS RAT

Rex Grossman 262 480 3193 54.6 6.65 62 23 4.8 20 4.2 21 142 73.9

Brian Griese 18 32 220 56.3 6.88 75 1 3.1 2 6.3 3 22 62.0

Brad Maynard 1 1 37 100.0 37.00 37 0 0.0 0 0.0 0 0 118.8

Thomas Jones 1 1 -4 100.0 -4.00 -4 0 0.0 0 0.0 1 1 79.2

Totals 282 514 3446 54.9 6.70 75 24 4.7 22 4.3 25 165 73.5

Rushing Statistics

NAME ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST

Thomas Jones 296 1210 4.1 30 6 1 1

Cedric Benson 157 647 4.1 30 6 0 0

Adrian Peterson 10 41 4.1 11 2 0 0

Jason McKie 8 18 2.3 7 0 0 0

Bernard Berrian 2 5 2.5 5 0 0 0

Rex Grossman 24 2 0.1 22 0 3 2

Brian Griese 6 -5 -0.8 0 0 1 1

Totals 503 1918 3.8 30 14 5 4

Receiving Statistics

NAME REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST

Muhsin Muhammad 60 863 14.4 40 5 1 1

Bernard Berrian 51 775 15.2 62 6 2 1

Desmond Clark 45 626 13.9 33 6 0 0

Rashied Davis 22 303 13.8 31 2 0 0

Mark Bradley 14 282 20.1 75 3 0 0

Jason McKie 25 162 6.5 26 0 0 0

Thomas Jones 36 154 4.3 21 0 0 0

Adrian Peterson 6 88 14.7 37 0 1 0

Justin Gage 4 68 17.0 34 0 1 1

Cedric Benson 8 54 6.8 22 0 0 0

John Gilmore 6 38 6.3 18 2 0 0

Gabe Reid 4 37 9.3 19 0 0 0

Rex Grossman 1 -4 -4.0 -4 0 0 0

Totals 282 3446 12.2 75 24 5 3

Statistics Glossary

Data Source: STATS, Inc. Copyright 2006 STATS, Inc. Commercial distribution without the express written consent of STATS is prohibited.

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Without going to google can you name the "outstanding" OT's and Center for the Bears?

I stand corrected, the Bears have three outstanding tackles. I remembered John Tait and Olin Kreutz (one of the best centers in the NFL) but couldn't remember John St. Clair's name. When I looked it up I saw that Fred Miller is now the starting RT and John Tait who has started at both tackle positions (he was a LT for Kansas City) is now a backup.

I also forgot to mention that Ruben Brown is one hell of a guard as well.

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Strong O/Average D vs Average O/Strong D

Strong O/Average D vs Poor O/Strong D

Strong O/Poor D vs Average O/Strong D

Strong O/Poor D vs Average O/Average D

Strong O/Poor D vs Poor O/Strong D

Strong O/Poor D vs Poor O/Average D

Average O/Average D vs Poor O/Strong D

Average O/Poor D vs Poor O/Strong D

Average O/Poor D vs Poor O/Average D

Huh??? I'm so confused and now cross eyed! . . . eenie meanie miny mo, my mother said to pick the very best one, and you are I T, it . . . :yawn:

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