Blackout Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 I did a little digging and came up with these. This is not in any order, its not a top 10 or anything. Rogers Hornsby: 1921-1925 BA: .402 Hits/At-bats: 1078/2679 HR: 144 Runs: 615 RBI: 598 SB: 43 (caugh stealing 47 times) BB: 352 Babe Ruth: 1920-1924 BA: .370 Hits/At-bats: 909/2455 HR: 235 Runs: 723 RBI: 659 SB: 59 (caugh stealing 66 times) BB: 691 Babe Rith: 1926-1930 BA: .351 Hits/At-bats: 907/2588 HR: 256 Runs: 731 RBI: 759 SB: 37 (caugh stealing 33 times) BB: 626 OBP: Babe Ruth: 1927-1931 BA: .351 Hits/At-bats: 922/2627 HR: 255 Runs: 741 RBI: 776 SB: 31 (caugh stealing 28 times) BB: 610 Balco Bonds: 2000-2004 (*RIGHT AFTER FBI OFFICIALLY SAYS HE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH BALCO) BA: .339 Hits/At-bats: 720/2122 HR: 258 Runs: 615 RBI: 544 SB: 46 (caught stealing 9 times) BB: 872 Ty Cobb: 1911-1915* BA: .394 Hits/At-bats: 976/2480 HR: 24 Runs: 550 RBI: 433 SB: 326 (caught stealing is N/A for first 3 years) BB: 420 Ted Williams: 1941-1948 (missed 3 years in WW2) BA: .362 Hits/At-bats: 916/2529 HR: 168 Runs: 667 RBI: 621 SB: 9 (caught stealing 7 times) BB: 736 Hack Wilson: 1926-1930 BA: .331 Hits/At-bats: 914/2759 HR: 177 Runs: 586 RBI: 708 SB: 33 (caugh stealing is N/A) BB: 400 *note: dead ball era Feel free to add on 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 Lou Gehrig: 1927-1931 BA: .354 Hits/At-bats: 1025/2899 HR: 196 Runs: 721 RBI: 801 SB: 47 (caugh stealing 49 times) BB: 544 Jimmie Foxx: 1932-1936 BA: .348 Hits/At-bats: 980/2817 HR: 227 Runs: 644 RBI: 720 SB: 35 (caught stealing 19 times) BB: 542 Ricky Henderson 1982-1986 BA: .285 Hits/At-bats: 772/2706 HR: 87 Runs: 613 RBI: 303 SB: 471 (caught stealing 107 times) BB: 493 check out Rickys SB stats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 Koufax- '62-'66- 3 Cy Youngs when they only awarded 1; off the chart, even with '62 just starting to show his dominance. http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/koufasa01.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 pitchers Sandy Koufax 1962-1966 W-L: 111-34 WIN%: .766 IP: 1377 ERA: 1.95 ER: 298 SO: 1444 CG: 100 SHO: 33 ERA+: 341 Roger Clemens 1988-1992 W-L: 92-50 WIN%: .648 IP: 1264.67 ERA: 2.62 ER: 368 SO: 1179 CG: 53 SHO: 24 ERA+: 323 Roger Clemens: 1986-1990 W-L: 100-42 WIN%: .704 IP: 1281.3 ERA: 2.71 ER: 386 SO: 1224 CG: 57 SHO: 23 ERA+: 307 Pedro Martinez: 1999-2003 W-L: 82-21 WIN%: .796 IP: 933 ERA: 2.10 ER: 218 SO: 1205 CG: 18 SHO: 5 ERA+: 627 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 Juan Marichal 1965-1969 W-L: 108-49 WIN%: .688 IP: 1430.7 ERA: 2.30 ER: 366 SO: 1051 CG: 124 SHO: 29 ERA+: 241 Bob Gibson 1966-1970 W-L: 99-48 WIN%: .674 IP: 1368.3 ERA: 2.31 ER: 352 SO: 1183 CG: 97 SHO: 27 ERA+: 312 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 another fresh batch of stats: Randy Johnson 1998-2002 W-L: 80-36 WIN%: .690 IP: 1274.3 ERA: 2.63 ER: 373 SO: 1746 CG: 41 SHO: 17 ERA+: 365 Tom Seaver 1969-1973 W-L: 93-51 WIN%: .646 IP: 1402.3 ERA: 2.35 ER: 366 SO: 1280 CG: 89 SHO: 17 ERA+: 291 Walter Johnson 1911-1915* W-L: 149-63 WIN%: .703 IP: 1745.7 ERA: 1.54 ER: 298 SO: 1181 CG: 167 SHO: 40 ERA+: 526+ *dead ball era Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 Greg Maddox 1994-1998 W-L: 77-32 WIN%: .706 IP: 1140.3 ERA: 2.10 ER: 266 SO: 890 CG: 39 SHO: 14 ERA+: 576 Mariano Rivera 1996-2000 W-L: 28-14 WIN%: .667 SV: 165 IP: 385.3 ERA: 2.13 ER: 91 SO: 344 CG: 0 SHO: 0 ERA+: 634 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 Bonds would have to get the nod over Ruth based on doing the same damage in many less plate appearances and without Gehrig protecting him. Unfortunately it will always be tarnished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 5, 2005 Author Share Posted June 5, 2005 Bonds would have to get the nod over Ruth based on doing the same damage in many less plate appearances and without Gehrig protecting him. Unfortunately it will always be tarnished. He would get the nod over 1926-1931 Ruth, but not 1920-1925 Ruth who was surrounded by a medicore offense plus Rogers Hornsby's 5 years might rank above both of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 He would get the nod over 1926-1931 Ruth, but not 1920-1925 Ruth who was surrounded by a medicore offense plus Rogers Hornsby's 5 years might rank above both of them You kidding? Bonds hit more homers in over 300 less AB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 Rivera, even with his failings, is without a doubt,my favorite player all-time. The mortar of this dynasty. There isn't a comparison with any other reliever. But Koufax is unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 5, 2005 Author Share Posted June 5, 2005 You kidding? Bonds hit more homers in over 300 less AB's. are home runs the only stat you value? Ruth had more singles, doubles and triples, and by projection would've still had more RBI and Runs than Bonds would have in 2455 ABs. not to mention the three world series appearances compared to Bonds's one; and ofcourse the fact Ruth's HR ability didnt come from a syrringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 are home runs the only stat you value? Ruth had more singles, doubles and triples, and by projection would've still had more RBI and Runs than Bonds would have in 2455 ABs. not to mention the three world series appearances compared to Bonds's one; and ofcourse the fact Ruth's HR ability didnt come from a syrringe WS appearances have nothing to do with individual comparisons. Bonds steals keeps him in the argument and you cant project fairly whether he would have had more hits or RBI's with equal AB's. Hard to compare different eras. Ruth played in a era where he saw the same pitcher 4 or 5 AB's a game...ie there were no lefty specialists etc. Bonds played in a era where "many" players including your Gary Sheffield did steroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 Look a the CGs on Marichal, Koufax, Gibson and Seaver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 Look a the CGs on Marichal, Koufax, Gibson and Seaver. Yep amazing. Shut outs as well. There were no closers basically and pitch counts weren't adhered to yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 5, 2005 Author Share Posted June 5, 2005 WS appearances have nothing to do with individual comparisons. Bonds steals keeps him in the argument and you cant project fairly whether he would have had more hits or RBI's with equal AB's. Hard to compare different eras. Ruth played in a era where he saw the same pitcher 4 or 5 AB's a game...ie there were no lefty specialists etc. Bonds played in a era where "many" players including your Gary Sheffield did steroids. and these starting pitchers in Ruths era still had incredible ERAs, especially compared to the garbage relievers in MLB these days. You're giving set-up men and closers too much credit. Other than Gagne, how many closers can you honestly name on the top of your head in the NL West over the last 5 years? Byun Byun Kim? the reliever-by-commitee staff in mile high Colorado? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 Other than Gagne, how many closers can you honestly name on the top of your head in the NL West over the last 5 years? Byun Byun Kim? the reliever-by-commitee staff in mile high Colorado? Umm...does the name "Trevor Hoffman" ring a (Hell's) bell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 I have another that might be worthy of inclusion. With 107 games left in this season, he has the following numbers BA: .333 Hits/At-bats: 2578/859 HR: 174 2B: 204 Runs: 541 RBI: 548 SB: 17 BB: 332 Of course, Pujols has only done it in his first 4+ years in the majors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 Umm...does the name "Trevor Hoffman" ring a (Hell's) bell? LOL Rob Nen was pretty dominant. Mantei-pre injury the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Hornsby and Koufax get the nod here. To AVERAGE over .400 for 5 seasons in ANY ERA is just incredible, and Koufax's 5 years were easily the most dominant of any pitcher ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 I have another that might be worthy of inclusion. With 107 games left in this season, he has the following numbers BA: .333 Hits/At-bats: 2578/859 HR: 174 2B: 204 Runs: 541 RBI: 548 SB: 17 BB: 332 Of course, Pujols has only done it in his first 4+ years in the majors. without Juice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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