SoFlaJets Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Happy anniversary, Mark Sanchez April, 25, 2011 By Rich Cimini Monday is the two-year anniversary of the Jets' blockbuster trade for Mark Sanchez. It seemed like a great deal at the time, and it continues to get better with age. Desperate for a quarterback after Brett Favre's one-and-done in New York, the Jets traded their first-round pick (17th), their second-round pick (52nd) and three marginal veterans to the Browns -- DE Kenyon Coleman, S Abe Elam and QB Brett Ratliff. The Jets jumped 12 spots in the first-round order, selecting Sanchez fifth overall. What made this deal so intriguing was that it probably wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for Eric Mangini, whom the Jets fired only four months earlier. Mangini, installing his program in Cleveland, wanted familiar faces that knew his system, which is why he took Coleman, Elam and Ratliff. There wasn't another team in the league that would've agreed to that trade, but the Jets got lucky because of Mangini. The Redskins, picking 13th, also were hot for Sanchez, but they refused to give in to the Browns' demand -- a future No. 1 pick. The Browns didn't make the same demand of the Jets, settling for the three players. How did the trade turn out? The Jets couldn't be happier with Sanchez, who has a 19-12 starting record plus four post-season victories. It was a franchise-altering trade that solidified the Jets' quarterback position. (Imagine if they hadn't fired Mangini.) As for the Browns, they traded down to 19 and again to 21, picking up extra draft picks (191 and 195). The Browns' final haul from the Sanchez trade: • C Alex Mack (21st overall) -- One of the better young centers in the league. • DE David Veikune (52nd overall) -- Cut by Browns, played in four games last season for the Broncos. • CB Coye Francies (191st overall) -- Has appeared in only eight games in two seasons. No interceptions. • RB James Davis (195th overall) -- Cut by the Browns, signed by the Redskins. • Coleman -- Full-time starter. Solid run defender, only four sacks the last two seasons. • Elam -- A solid starter. Two sacks, two interceptions last season. • Ratliff -- Hasn't appeared in an NFL game. Now a member of the Titans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted April 25, 2011 Author Share Posted April 25, 2011 now where is that draft day video of Sowell train and his buddy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 now where is that draft day video of Sowell train and his buddy... Actually, that was his brother, wine expert Gary Vaynerchuk. The two of them are probably busy "crushing it" somewhere, whatever the hell that means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 There is no logical explanation for why Sanchez has worked out. He's too small, his arm is just ok, and he's not winning a Nobel Prize anytime soon as far as being intelligent goes. He's the other side of the coin that has every big, strong QB who has ever busted on the other side. It just shows that it's better to be lucky than good when you're drafting a QB in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 There is no logical explanation for why Sanchez has worked out. He's too small, his arm is just ok, and he's not winning a Nobel Prize anytime soon as far as being intelligent goes. He's the other side of the coin that has every big, strong QB who has ever busted on the other side. It just shows that it's better to be lucky than good when you're drafting a QB in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted April 25, 2011 Author Share Posted April 25, 2011 There is no logical explanation for why Sanchez has worked out. He's too small, his arm is just ok, and he's not winning a Nobel Prize anytime soon as far as being intelligent goes. He's the other side of the coin that has every big, strong QB who has ever busted on the other side. It just shows that it's better to be lucky than good when you're drafting a QB in the first round. ...Or to be a "genius" and strategically draft a 2nd stringer in the 6th round...how DID he know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 ...Or to be a "genius" and strategically draft a 2nd stringer in the 6th round...how DID he know? .....because he's a genius, duh. Actually, the person that should get the credit for drafting Brady is the late Dick Rehbein. He was the QB coach that implored Grier and Belichick to check the kid out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 There is no logical explanation for why Sanchez has worked out. He's too small, his arm is just ok, and he's not winning a Nobel Prize anytime soon as far as being intelligent goes. He's the other side of the coin that has every big, strong QB who has ever busted on the other side. It just shows that it's better to be lucky than good when you're drafting a QB in the first round. 1. He's 6-2. He's taller than Drew Brees for Christ's sakes. He's about average for an NFL QB. 2. His arm is more than just OK. The kid can make all the throws. You seem to have a need to claim he's got a Penningtonesque arm and that simply ain't the case. Sanchez has a cannon compared to Pennington. 3. Where does this come from? The kid seems reasonably intelligent. You ever hear Steve McNair or Michael Vick interviewed? Sanchez doesn't come off as stupid. You decided prior to the draft in 2009 that you didn't want this kid. So short of putting up monster numbers or winning the Super Bowl, you have a bizarre need to denigrate the kid based on things that really don't exist. You want to say his performance doesn't jibe with the team's winning percentage with him as QB? That's fine because that is accurate. You want to say he has accuracy issues? That's fine because that is accurate. You want to say he is sometimes too careless with the ball? That's fine because that is accurate. But the kid's definitely played his best football with the Jets when it meant the most and the nonsense you posted above is just that. It's BS based on your mistaken analysis of the kid pre-draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 ...Or to be a "genius" and strategically draft a 2nd stringer in the 6th round...how DID he know? George Costanza would describe Bill Belichick's (or more accurately, Scott Pioli's) drafting of Tom Brady in the following manner: "THIS IS LIKE DISCOVERING PLUTONIUM BY ACCUDENT." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 George Costanza would describe Bill Belichick's (or more accurately, Scott Pioli's) drafting of Tom Brady in the following manner: "THIS IS LIKE DISCOVERING PLUTONIUM BY ACCUDENT." .....Scott Pioli was not involved in the 2000 draft. Bobby Grier and his crew had done the legwork and he was quickly fired after the 2000 draft. Sorry, Zippy, but Wikipedia can be wrong sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 1. He's 6-2. He's taller than Drew Brees for Christ's sakes. He's about average for an NFL QB. 2. His arm is more than just OK. The kid can make all the throws. You seem to have a need to claim he's got a Penningtonesque arm and that simply ain't the case. Sanchez has a cannon compared to Pennington. 3. Where does this come from? The kid seems reasonably intelligent. You ever hear Steve McNair or Michael Vick interviewed? Sanchez doesn't come off as stupid. You decided prior to the draft in 2009 that you didn't want this kid. So short of putting up monster numbers or winning the Super Bowl, you have a bizarre need to denigrate the kid based on things that really don't exist. You want to say his performance doesn't jibe with the team's winning percentage with him as QB? That's fine because that is accurate. You want to say he has accuracy issues? That's fine because that is accurate. You want to say he is sometimes too careless with the ball? That's fine because that is accurate. But the kid's definitely played his best football with the Jets when it meant the most and the nonsense you posted above is just that. It's BS based on your mistaken analysis of the kid pre-draft. You crap weasel, I was referring to the package they bought into being comparably unspectacular when they bought it. Tannenbaum took a huge leap on a guy with nothing exceptional about him and it paid off where other GMs swing and miss every year on guys with better size, a better arm and a better body of work. And, for the record, while I was against the idea of drafting Sanchez, I gave the Jets the benefit of the doubt and laid off Sanchez for the most part. Now gimme kiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Just get Mo Lewis to tackle you is draft strategy Pats used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 .....Scott Pioli was not involved in the 2000 draft. Bobby Grier and his crew had done the legwork and he was quickly fired after the 2000 draft. Sorry, Zippy, but Wikipedia can be wrong sometimes. I was basing that assumption of the relative quality of Pioli's and Belichick's drafts the last couple of years. Pioli's been schooling mumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 You crap weasel, I was referring to the package they bought into being comparably unspectacular when they bought it. Tannenbaum took a huge leap on a guy with nothing exceptional about him and it paid off where other GMs swing and miss every year on guys with better size, a better arm and a better body of work. And, for the record, while I was against the idea of drafting Sanchez, I gave the Jets the benefit of the doubt and laid off Sanchez for the most part. Now gimme kiss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hoping4ASuperBowl Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Is this gonna turn into lemon party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Is this gonna turn into lemon party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CTM Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 There is no logical explanation for why Sanchez has worked out. He's too small, his arm is just ok, and he's not winning a Nobel Prize anytime soon as far as being intelligent goes. He's the other side of the coin that has every big, strong QB who has ever busted on the other side. It just shows that it's better to be lucky than good when you're drafting a QB in the first round. I dunno, i had reservations, but watching him play i definitely thought he was better then stafford or freeman.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Actually, that was his brother, wine expert Gary Vaynerchuk. The two of them are probably busy "crushing it" somewhere, whatever the hell that means. Have to admit, this is the first intentionally funny post of yours in a really long time that legitimately made me laugh out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Have to admit, this is the first intentionally funny post of yours in a really long time that legitimately made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that backhanded compliment, dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Thanks for that backhanded compliment, dick. There is the foundation for a loving relationship here. I can feel it. I can feel it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I was basing that assumption of the relative quality of Pioli's and Belichick's drafts the last couple of years. Pioli's been schooling mumbles. Pioli has been in KC for two seasons. The Patriots last two drafts have been decent. Wrong again, Zippy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Just get Mo Lewis to tackle you is draft strategy Pats used. Blesoe was sooned to be benched as Brady was the better QB in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Blesoe was sooned to be benched as Brady was the better QB in camp. Brett Ratliff was once the best QB in a Jets TC. Nobody ever seriously considered starting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Pioli has been in KC for two seasons. The Patriots last two drafts have been decent. Wrong again, Zippy. Really? The Pats last two drafts have been ok, decent is a stretch. Pioli's last draft was spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Really? The Pats last two drafts have been ok, decent is a stretch. Pioli's last draft was spectacular. Piolis 2009 draft sucked. Like the Jets 2010 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Brett Ratliff was once the best QB in a Jets TC. Nobody ever seriously considered starting him. Because he is a Jets QB. NY has always sucked at drafting QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Piolis 2009 draft sucked. Like the Jets 2010 draft. ANd they used their 2009 2nd rounder to get their starting QB and a solid veteran OLB. That's a pretty decent haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Because he is a Jets QB. NY has always sucked at drafting QBs. Wow that was weak. You can find dozens of examples of backups outperforming starters in TC only to sit once the season starts. Saying Brady starting was a fait accompli because he outperformed Bledsoe in one preseason, when Bledsoe likely had limited snaps all against 1st teamers while Brady took significantly more snaps primarily against 2nd and 3rd teamers, is downright moronic and something only Pats bandwagon homers who can't think beyond results based analysis would believe as legitimate. To those of us with opposable thumbs and the capacity to reason, the Pats got flat out lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Really? The Pats last two drafts have been ok, decent is a stretch. Pioli's last draft was spectacular. Devin McCourty, rookie Pro-bowler, says "hello." Vollmer is no slouch. Chung is working out. Gronkowski looks promising. Cunningham has potential. Hernandez looks solid. You're a homah! Stop making such a fool of yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Devin McCourty, rookie Pro-bowler, says "hello." Vollmer is no slouch. Chung is working out. Gronkowski looks promising. Cunningham has potential. Hernandez looks solid. You're a homah! Stop making such a fool of yourself. Vollmer is ok at best. Patrick Chung sucks. Gronkowski is a good player. Saying Cunningham has potential is the same as saying Gholston has potential, sure he does, it doesn't explain why he's an unproductive player and is used as justification for a bad draft pick. Hernandez is decent but inconsistent. You just overrated every one of the Pats draft picks from last year but I'm the homer. Chiefs 2010: Eric Berry - outstanding pick. Dexter McCluster - outstanding pick. Tony Moeaki - was a steal in the third. Javier Arenas contributed on both defense and special teams. They got 10 starts out of Kendrick Lewis, not bad for a fifth round safety. And they got a good depth OL in Jon Asamoah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Vollmer is ok at best. Patrick Chung sucks. Gronkowski is a good player. Saying Cunningham has potential is the same as saying Gholston has potential, sure he does, it doesn't explain why he's an unproductive player and is used as justification for a bad draft pick. Hernandez is decent but inconsistent. You just overrated every one of the Pats draft picks from last year but I'm the homer. Chiefs 2010: Eric Berry - outstanding pick. Dexter McCluster - outstanding pick. Tony Moeaki - was a steal in the third. Javier Arenas contributed on both defense and special teams. They got 10 starts out of Kendrick Lewis, not bad for a fifth round safety. And they got a good depth OL Jon Asamoah. LOL!!! If Berry is outanding and if McCluster is outstanding...then McCourty and Gronkowski are what exactly? What do you call someone that is a homer and is also a blind hater of all things Boston Sports related? Oh, I know! You call 'em Zippy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 Vollmer is no slouch. Chung is working out. Gronkowski looks promising. Cunningham has potential. Hernandez looks solid. Greene is no slouch. Conner is working out. McKnight looks promising. Wilson has potential. Slauson looks solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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