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this sells short Mangold who is a perennial all Pro. again I am mostly on the "fire Tanny" bandwagon but let's not sit here and pretend everything is s--t just cause the Jets are losing. They have had some very good picks in the last few years.

i also think it's inaccurate to lump Wilson and Vlad (and even Sanchez) in with Gholston. These guys are all starters. VG was a pure bust.

If you have a team where HORRIBLE players like Vlad Ducasse and Kyle Wilson need to start, you have a terrible team.

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I like Mangold a lot, but there's really no such thing as an impact center. The Jets needed OL help, and took the best center in the draft in the first round. Not exactly a brilliant selection.

And Wilson, Ducasse, and Sanchez are starters? On what other team? I give all the Jets' picks the benefit of the doubt for far longer than they deserve, and you go further than me. Lol. The jury is in, those are three terrible picks.

Plus he cut Mawae well before the draft - more importantly the last month or so of pre-draft shuffling of prospect rankings - and it was a pretty obvious pick for us. We had no center, Mangold was that rare center with true first round value, and he was conveniently there for us at the bottom of the round. I'd classify this as one of those "better to be lucky than good" situations than pure drafting acumen.

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this sells short Mangold who is a perennial all Pro. again I am mostly on the "fire Tanny" bandwagon but let's not sit here and pretend everything is s--t just cause the Jets are losing. They have had some very good picks in the last few years.

i also think it's inaccurate to lump Wilson and Vlad (and even Sanchez) in with Gholston. These guys are all starters. VG was a pure bust.

Mangold plays center. He's great, but he's a center. Further, Tannenbaum doesn't get genius status for selecting the highest rated center and having it pay off. Same goes for Revis... D'Brick too....

7 years and he still has no QB.... He's been a failure.

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I often wonder, did Mangini's input during free agency and the draft lead to better players. Minus Gholston, Mangini and Tannenbaum had some success. I feel like, since Rex showed up, we've been dog sh*t in the draft and free agency. Just a thought, anybody else see this too or am I crazy?

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There is lots of talk about Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum and whether he’ll be back with the team next season. Tannenbaum is often described as a “salary cap genius” in regards to his knowledge of contracts and the cap process but his drafting and talent evaluation gets criticized as causing an overall decline in the Jets roster.

Tannenbaum’s record doesn’t really show he’s earned the reputation as a great “capologist” and a bad drafter. It was Tannenbaum who built a team that went to the AFC championship game in 2009-10 including an 11 win season during that 2010 year, with the same coach and quarterback. This quarterback/coach combination has been 12-15 since the end of the 2010 season.

Many of the players who led to the team’s success were obtained during 2006-07 offseasons, which the Jets had 14 draft picks and traded back in the 2007 second round acquiring RB Thomas Jones.

Taking a look at the Jets drafts against other teams shows that Tannenbaum has not done a bad job with the actual draft picks he’s made since 2008. The New England Patriots had 40 picks from 2008-11 with 11 prospects working out, while the Houston Texans had 32 picks with 13 helping the team but the Jets had 19 picks with 11 contributing.

Now this analysis is subjective and these other teams had extra players to choose from, so the Jets may have been forced to stick with their picks more than teams with a higher number of prospects, but when Tannenbaum misses on a player, like Vladimir Ducasse, it is heightened by the Jets having so few picks.

The Jets were one of the most aggressive teams in the league and “trader Mike” would do whatever it took over the last several years to fill holes:

  • 2008) Jets trade a 3rd (67) & 5th (141) to Carolina Panthers for NT/DT Kris Jenkins. (2008 – 16 games, 2009 – 6 games, 2010 – 1 game).
  • 2009) Jets trade 3rd (83) to Green Bay Packers for QB Brett Favre (One season, 2008).
  • Jets trade 5th (153) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB Lito Sheppard (One season 2009).
  • 2010) Jets trade 3rd (92) & 5th (160) to Cleveland Browns for WR Braylon Edwards (12 games 2009, 16 games 2010).
  • Jets trade 4th (127) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB Lito Sheppard, get 5th (155) from Philadelphia Eagles.
  • Jets trade 5th (155), acquired from Philadelphia Eagles, to the Pittsburgh Steelers for WR Santonio Holmes (Became a free agent after 2010 season, resigned by Jets 5 years, $50 million, $24 million guaranteed).
  • 2011) Jets trade 2nd (61) to San Diego Chargers for CB Antonio Cromartie (Became a free agent in 2011, resigned by Jets, 4 years, $32 million, $14 million guaranteed).
  • 2012) Traded away QB Drew Stanton, for the Indianapolis Colts sixth round pick (187), his $500,000 signing bonus remained on the salary cap, after acquiringQB Tim Tebow from the Denver Broncos for the Jets 4th (108) & 6th (188) taking on an additional $1.75 million in 2012 along with $1.03 million in guaranteed 2013 salary, (Tebow’s 2012 season, 6-of-7 for 39 yards passing, 87 yards rushing in 29 attempts, 3.0 average).

Tannenbaum has traded up 6 times since the 2008 draft and has traded back once givinga 4th (102) to the Green Bay Packers for their 4th (113 – DB Dwight Lowery) and 5th (162 – QB Erik Ainge, 2008). So Tannenbaum chose to build the team since 2008 via free agency, veterans for draft picks and draft trade-ups for the “ready-made” rather than developmental players.

Here are some contract decisions Tannenbaum made as well:

  • 2010) Renegotiated/caved to Darrelle Revis’ demands with 3 years remaining on his current contract giving him a 4 year, $46 million, $32 million guaranteed, “band aid” contract. Revis becomes a free agent after the 2013 season and can’t be restricted (franchised) in anyway by the Jets.
  • 2011) Signed LB David Harris, 4 year $36 million, $29.5 million guaranteed (biggest contract of any ILB in NFL history).
  • Cut LB Bart Scott’s 2011 salary by a $1 million agreeing to guarantee his $4.2 million 2012 salary.
  • 2012) Gave QB Mark Sanchez a contract extension worth $20.5 million fully guaranteed over 2012/13.

Tannenbaum’s team building strategy, not using the draft, along with bad contract decisions has led the Jets to deal with salary issues stifling the team’s ability to make roster changes/maneuvers. The fact that they were cautious during free agency in 2012 signing mostly one year deals, have not been willing to make in-season trades, sign many available free agents or make waiver claims for higher priced players to fill holes, shows the team was forced to take a different approach.

The Jets became very salary top heavy with almost half their 2012 cap space tied up in the pay of 7 players without the ability to get much relief. They’re a projected $19 million over the 2013 cap with many current starters heading to free agency after 2012.

Assuming Tannenbaum had the autonomy, Woody Johnson didn’t force him, to make decisions Tannenbaum is a “salary cap genius” alright, he’s a genius at putting the team over the cap, restricting necessary moves, but his drafts were not bad compared to others in the league.

A true “cap guru” would not use this fiscal irresponsible ultra aggressive building style because he’d know the end result would be a quick decline in talent with no way to improve the roster given the financial constraints.

So next time you hear Mike Tannenbaum is a “cap guy” not a “draft guy”, think again, because you’d wonder if any team in the league will want him to manage their salary cap after what he’s done to the Jets?

I see you failed to give Jason Malito his due for this article over at NYJetsCap.com, and passed this off as your own.....

Nice!

BD

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Tannenbaum's recent history has been pretty bad, so that's why he will be canned after the season.

The Harris, Scott, and Sanchez deals have all hurt the team, irreparably. In fact, the team's success has followed his leadership arc.

His first few years were much better, and so were the results.....

BD

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Mangold plays center. He's great, but he's a center. Further, Tannenbaum doesn't get genius status for selecting the highest rated center and having it pay off. Same goes for Revis...

The problem with Mangold is using the second pick of a total rebuild on a premium center. Yeah, there's one every year and they always go in that range, but Mangold is better than the other dudes and he was taken later so there's at least some sort of surplus value there. Tannenbaum gets zero credit for Revis because he didn't ****ing do anything. Revis was Mangini's pick. All Tannenbaum had to do was pay chart value to move up and then ink a slot deal. Check and...sh*t.

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I see you failed to give Jason Malito his due for this article over at NYJetsCap.com, and passed this off as your own.....

Nice!

BD

Jason does a great job with his site and is very generous with his time but you will see that everything on here is linked and verified by various sources. I’ve worked hard compiling the Tannenbaum records for weeks and have done extensive research. Below is just some that I’ve done.

Funny I wrote Sione Po’uha would be cut for salary cap reasons on Sept. 12 now everyone is saying it, that doesn’t mean they stole it from me? Just look through the history of my writings, they stand on their own.

http://www.jetnation...eason-as-a-jet/

Here is just portion of my research:

2012:

1st (16) DE - Quinton Coples.

2nd (43) WR - Stephen Hill.

· Jets trade 2nd (47), 5th (154) & 7th (232) to Seattle Seahawks for 2nd (43) WR – Stephen Hill.

3rd (77) LB - Demario Davis.

4th (108) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 4th (108) & 6th (188) for QB – Tim Tebow & 7th (232) from Denver.

· Jets trade QB – Drew Stanton & 7th (214), got from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery trade, to Indianapolis Colts for 6th (187) DB - Josh Bush.

5th (154) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 2nd (47), 5th (154) & 7th (232) to Seattle Seahawks for 2nd (43) WR – Stephen Hill.

6th (187) DB – Josh Bush.

· Jets trade QB – Drew Stanton & 7th (214), got from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery trade, to Indianapolis Colts for 6th (187) DB - Josh Bush.

6th (202) COMP - RB - Terrance Ganaway.

6th (203) COMP - OL – Robert T. Griffin.

7th (214) Jets via Jacksonville (None)

· Jets trade QB – Drew Stanton & 7th (214), got from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery trade, to Indianapolis Colts for 6th (187) DB - Josh Bush.

7th (224) Jets (None)

· Jets trade 7th (224) to Green Bay Packers for OL – Caleb Schlauderaff.

7th (232) Jets via Denver Broncos (None).

· Jets trade 4th (108) & 6th (188) for QB – Tim Tebow & 7th (232) from Denver.

7th (242) COMP - DB - Antonio Allen.

7th (244) COMP - WR – Jordan White.

2011:

1st (30) DL - Muhammad Wilkerson.

2nd (61) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 2nd (61) to San Diego Chargers for CB Antonio Cromartie (Became a free agent in 2011, resigned by Jets).

3rd (94) DT - Kenrick Ellis.

4th (126) RB - Bilal Powell.

5th (153) WR – Jeremy Kerley.

· Jets trade 5th (161) & 6th (194) to Philadelphia Eagles for 5th (153) WR - Jeremy Kerley & 7th (227).

6th (194) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 5th (161) & 6th (194) to Philadelphia Eagles for 5th (153) WR - Jeremy Kerley & 7th (227).

7th (231) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 7th (231) to Detroit Lions for QB – Kevin O’Connell. Trade made Sept. 6, 2009. (2009 & 2011, zero games).

7th (208) QB – Greg McElroy.

· Jets get 7th (208) from Arizona Cardinals, 2010 Kerry Rhodes trade, pick QB – Greg McElroy.

7th (227) WR – Scotty McKnight.

· Jets trade 5th (161) & 6th (194) to Philadelphia Eagles for 5th (153) WR - Jeremy Kerley & 7th (227) pick WR – Scotty McKnight.

2010:

1st (29) - Kyle Wilson.

2nd (61) - Vladimir Ducasse.

3rd (92) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 3rd (92) & 5th (160) to Cleveland for WR- Braylon Edwards (12 games 2009, 16 games 2010).

4th (127) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 4th (127) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB - Lito Sheppard, get 5th (155) from Philadelphia Eagles.

4th (112) RB – Joe McKnight.

· Jets trade 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes, & 6th (198) for 4th (112) from Carolina Panthers, Jets select RB – Joe McKnight.

5th (139) FB- John Connor.

· Jets trade Leon Washington & 7th (236) to Seattle Seahawks for 5th (139) Jets select FB- John Connor.

5th (155) Jets via Philadelphia (None).

· Jets trade 5th (155), got from Philadelphia Eagles swap 4th – 127 (Jets) & 5th – 155 (Eagles) - CB Lito Sheppard, then traded (155) to Pittsburgh Steelers for WR Santonio Holmes (2010, 12 games 52 REC, 746 YRDS, 2011, 16 games, 51 REC, 654 YRDS). Became a free agent after 2010, resigned by Jets.

5th (160) Jets (None)

· Jets trade 3rd (92) & 5th (160) to Cleveland for WR- Braylon Edwards (12 games 2009, 16 games 2010).

6th (198) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes, & 6th (198) for 4th (112) from Carolina Panthers, Jets select RB – Joe McKnight.

7th (236) Jets (None)

· Jets trade Leon Washington & 7th (236) to Seattle Seahawks for 5th (139) Jets select FB- John Connor.

2009:

1st (5) QB – Mark Sanchez.

· Jets trade 1st (17) & 2nd (52) to Cleveland Browns for 1st (5) QB – Mark Sanchez.

2nd (52) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 1st (17) & 2nd (52) to Cleveland Browns for 1st (5) QB – Mark Sanchez.

3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene

· Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

3rd (76) Jets via New Orleans (None)

· Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

3rd (83) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 3rd (83) to Green Bay for QB – Brett Favre (One season 2008); GB used to trade up for Clay Mathews.

4th (115) Jets via Washington (None)

· Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

4th (118) Jets (None)

· Jets gave their 4th (118) round pick to New Orleans, Jets got 3rd (76) New Orleans, Vilma trade.

5th (153) Jets (None)

· Jets trade 5th (153) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB – Lito Sheppard (One season 2009)

6th (193) OL- Matt Slauson

7th (228) Jets (None)

· Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

2008:

1st (6) DE/OLB – Vernon Gholston .

1st (30) TE - Dustin Keller.

· Jets trade 2nd (36) & 4th (113), Got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, to Green Bay for 1st (30) draft TE - Dustin Keller.

2nd (36) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 2nd (36) & 4th (113), Got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, to Green Bay for 1st (30) draft TE - Dustin Keller.

3rd (67) Jets (None).

· Jets trade a 3rd (67) & 5th (141) to Carolina Panthers for Kris Jenkins NT/DT. (2008 – 16 games, 2009 - 6 games, 2010 – 1 game).

4th (102) Jets (None).

4th (113) DB - Dwight Lowery.

· Green Bay trades 4th (113) – Jets pick DB - Dwight Lowery and 5th (162) Jets pick QB - Erik Ainge for Jets 4th (102).

5th QB - Erik Ainge.

· Green Bay trades 4th (113) – Jets pick DB - Dwight Lowery and 5th (162) Jets pick QB - Erik Ainge for Jets 4th (102).

6th (171) WR - Marcus Henry.

7th (211) OT - Nate Garner.

2007:

1st CB - Darrelle Revis.

· Jets trade 1st (25), 2nd (59) & 5th (164) to Carolina Panthers for 1st (14) pick CB - Darrelle Revis.

1st (25) Jets (None)

2nd (37) Jets None

· Jets traded 2nd (37), obtained from Washington Redskins in Jets trade-back made in 2006, then traded pick to Chicago Bears for RB Thomas Jones & Bears 2nd (63).

2nd (47) LB - David Harris

· Jets trade 2nd (63), obtained from Chicago Bears, 3rd (89) & 6th (191) to Green Bay Packers for 2nd (47) LB - David Harris & Green Bay 7th (235), used by Jets to pick WR Chansi Stuckey .

2nd (63) Jets via Chicago Bears (None)

· Jets traded 2nd (37), obtained from Washington Redskins in Jets trade-back made in 2006, then traded pick to Chicago Bears for RB Thomas Jones & Bears 2nd (63).

3rd (89) Jet (None)

· Jets trade 2nd (63), obtained from Chicago Bears, 3rd (89) & 6th (191) to Green Bay Packers for 2nd (47) LB - David Harris & Green Bay 7th (235), used by Jets to pick WR Chansi Stuckey .

4th Jets (None)

· Jets trade 4th (124) to San Francisco 49ers for RB Kevan Barlow (One season, 2006, 12 games, 370 YDS, 2.8 YPC).

6th (177) OT – Jacob Bender.

· Tampa Bay Buccaneers Trade 6th (177) for Jets TE – Doug Jolley, Jets use (177) selected OT – Jacob Bender.

6th (191) Jets (None)

· Jets trade 2nd (63), obtained from Chicago Bears, 3rd (89) & 6th (191) to Green Bay Packers for 2nd (47) LB - David Harris & Green Bay 7th (235), used by Jets to pick WR Chansi Stuckey .

7th (212) Jets via Detroit 9None)

· Jets trade DB – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), Jets then trade this pick (212) to Dallas Cowboys for TE – Sean Ryan (2009, 6 Rec. 44 YRDS; 2010 3 Rec. 6 YRDS).

7th (235) WR - Chansi Stuckey

· Jets trade 7th pick (735) to Green Bay Packers OL Steve Morley in 2005 but Green Bay traded it back in the David Harris Deal, Jets select WR - Chansi Stuckey.

2006:

1st (4) OT – D’Brickashaw Ferguson.

1st (29) C – Nick Mangold.

· Jets traded DE – John Abraham to Atlanta Falcons for 1st (29) select C – Nick Mangold.

2nd (35) Jets (None).

· Jets traded 2nd (35) to Washington Redskins for their 2nd (53), 6th (189) and 2007, 2nd round pick.

2nd (49) QB – Kellen Clemens.

Jets trade 2nd (53), 6th (189), got from Washington Redskins trade, & 7th (211) got Dallas Cowboys 2nd (49) select QB – Kellen Clemens.

3rd (71) Jets (none).

3rd (76) LB - Anthony Schlegel.

· Jets trade 3rd (71) to Philadelphia Eagles for 3rd (76), Jets select LB - Anthony Schlegel, & 7th (220) DL- Titus Adams.

3rd (97) DB – Eric Smith (Compensatory).

4th (103) WR/QB/KR – Brad Smith.

4th (117) RB – Leon Washington.

· Jets traded Head Coach Herman Edwards to Kansas City Chiefs for 4th (117) Jets select RB – Leon Washington.

5th (138) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 5th (138) to Dallas Cowboys for their 5th (150) & 6th (189), originally Jets pick via Washington Redskins then traded to Dallas Cowboys in Kellen Clemens 2nd (49) trade but Jets got it back by trading back from (138), get (5th 150, select TE - Jason Pociask & 6th 189, CB - Drew Coleman).

5th (150) TE - Jason Pociask.

· Jets trade 5th (138) to Dallas Cowboys for their 5th (150) & 6th (189), originally Jets pick via Washington Redskins then traded to Dallas Cowboys in Kellen Clemens 2nd (49) trade but Jets got it back by trading back from (138), get (5th 150, select TE - Jason Pociask & 6th 189, CB - Drew Coleman).

6th (173) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 6th (173) to Washington Redskins for QB – Patrick Ramesy (One season 2006, one pass attempt, incomplete).

6th (189) CB - Drew Coleman.

· Jets trade 5th (138) to Dallas Cowboys for their 5th (150) & 6th (189), originally Jets pick via Washington Redskins then traded to Dallas Cowboys in Kellen Clemens 2nd (49) trade but Jets got it back by trading back from (138), get (5th 150, select TE - Jason Pociask & 6th 189, CB - Drew Coleman).

7th (211) Jets (None)

Jets trade 2nd (53), 6th (189), got from Washington Redskins trade, & 7th (211) got Dallas Cowboys 2nd (49) select QB – Kellen Clemens.

7th (220) DL- Titus Adams.

· Jets trade 3rd (71) to Philadelphia Eagles for 3rd (76), Jets select LB - Anthony Schlegel, & 7th (220) DL- Titus Adams.

Players for picks:

2006)

· Jets traded DE – John Abraham to Atlanta Falcons for 1st (29) select C – Nick Mangold.

· Jets traded Head Coach Herman Edwards to Kansas City Chiefs for 4th (117) Jets select RB – Leon Washington.

2007)

· Tampa Bay Buccaneers Trade 6th (177) for Jets TE – Doug Jolley, Jets use 6th (177) selected OT – Jacob Bender.

· Jets trade DB (August 2005) – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), eventually traded to Dallas for TE- Sean Ryan (2009, 6 Rec. 44 YRDS; 2010 3 Rec. 6 YRDS).

2008)

· Jets got 4th (113), from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade.

2009)

· Jets gave their 4th (118) round pick to New Orleans, Jets got 3rd (76) New Orleans, Vilma trade.

· Jets got 4th (115) from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade.

2010)

· Jets acquire 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes.

· Jets trade Leon Washington & 7th (236) to Seattle Seahawks for 5th (139) Jets select FB- John Connor.

2011)

· Jets get 7th (208) from Arizona Cardinals, 2010 Kerry Rhodes trade, pick QB – Greg McElroy.

2012)

· Jets trade QB – Drew Stanton & 7th (214), got from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery trade, to Indianapolis Colts for 6th (187) DB - Josh Bush.

· Jets get 7th (214) from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery.

Picks for players:

2006)

· Jets trade 6th (173) to Washington Redskins for QB – Patrick Ramesy (One season 2006, one pass attempt, incomplete).

2007)

· Jets traded 2nd (37), obtained from Washington Redskins in Jets trade-back made in 2006, then traded pick to Chicago Bears for RB Thomas Jones & Bears 2nd (63).

· Jets trade 4th (124) to San Francisco 49ers for RB Kevan Barlow, trade made in august 2006, (One season, 2006, 12 games, 370 YDS, 2.8 YPC).

· Jets trade DB – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), Jets then trade this pick (212) to Dallas Cowboys for TE – Sean Ryan (2006, 16 games, 6 REC, 44 YRDS, 2007, 10 Games, 3 REC, 46 YRDS).

2008)

· Jets trade a 3rd (67) & 5th (141) to Carolina Panthers for Kris Jenkins NT/DT. (2008 – 16 games, 2009 - 6 games, 2010 – 1 game).

2009)

· Jets trade 3rd (83) to Green Bay for QB Brett Favre (One season 2008). GB used to trade up for Clay Mathews.

· Jets trade 5th (153) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB – Lito Sheppard (One season 2009).

2010)

· Jets trade 3rd (92) & 5th (160) to Cleveland for WR- Braylon Edwards (12 games 2009, 16 games 2010).

· Jets trade 4th (127) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB - Lito Sheppard, get 5th (155) from Philadelphia Eagles.

· Jets trade 5th (155), got from Philadelphia Eagles swap 4th (127) for CB Lito Sheppard, then traded (155) to Pittsburgh Steelers for WR Santonio Holmes (2010, 12 games 52 REC, 746 YRDS, 2011, 16 games, 51 REC, 654 YRDS). Became a free agent after 2010, resigned by Jets.

2011)

· Jets trade 2nd (61) to San Diego Chargers for CB Antonio Cromartie (Became a free agent in 2011, resigned by Jets).

· Jets trade 7th (231) to Detroit Lions for QB – Kevin O’Connell.

2012)

· Jets trade 4th (108) & 6th (188) for QB – Tim Tebow & 7th (232) from Denver.

· Jets trade 7th (224) to Green Bay Packers for OL – Caleb Schlauderaff.

Trade backs for extra picks:

2006)

· Jets traded 2nd (35) to Washington Redskins for their 2nd (53), 6th (189) and 2007, 2nd round pick.

· Jets trade 3rd (71) to Philadelphia Eagles for 3rd (76), Jets select LB - Anthony Schlegel, & 7th (220) DL- Titus Adams.

· Jets trade 5th (138) to Dallas Cowboys for their 5th (150) & 6th (189), originally Jets pick via Washington Redskins then traded to Dallas Cowboys for Kellen Clemens trade but Jets got it back by trading back from (138), get (5th 150, select TE - Jason Pociask & 6th 189, CB - Drew Coleman).

2008)

· Green Bay obtain 4th (102), Jets get (113 – Jets pick DB Dwight Lowery) and 5th (162 QB – Jets pick QB Erik Ainge).

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2006)

· Jets trade 2nd (53), 6th (189), got from Washington Redskins trade, & 7th (211) got Dallas Cowboys 2nd (49) select QB – Kellen Clemens.

2007)

· Jets trade 1st (25), 2nd (59) & 5th (164) to Carolina Panthers for 1st (14) pick CB Darrelle Revis.

· Jets trade 2nd (63), obtained from Chicago Bears, 3rd (89) & 6th (191) to Green Bay Packers for 2nd (47) David Harris & Green Bay 7th (235), used by Jets to pick WR Chansi Stuckey .

2008)

· Jets trade 2nd (36) & 4th (113), Got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, to Green Bay for 1st (30) draft Dustin Keller - TE.

2009)

· Jets trade 1st (17) & 2nd (52) to Cleveland Browns for 1st (5) QB – Mark Sanchez.

· Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

2010)

· Jets trade 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes, & 6th (198) for 4th (112) from Carolina Panthers, Jets select RB – Joe McKnight.

2011)

· Jets trade 5th (161) & 6th (194) to Philadelphia Eagles for 5th (153) WR - Jeremy Kerley & 7th (227), from Philadelphia Eagles, pick WR – Scotty McKnight.

2012)

· Jets trade 2nd (47), 5th (154) & 7th (232) to Seattle Seahawks for 2nd (43) WR – Stephen Hill.

2006:

Players for picks:

2006)

Jets traded DE – John Abraham to Atlanta Falcons for 1st (29) select C – Nick Mangold.

Jets traded Head Coach Herman Edwards to Kansas City Chiefs for 4th (117) Jets select RB – Leon Washington.

Picks for players:

2006)

Jets trade 6th (173) to Washington Redskins for QB – Patrick Ramesy (One season 2006, one pass attempt, incomplete).

Trade backs for extra picks:

2006)

Jets traded own 2nd (35) to Washington Redskins for their 2nd (53), 6th (189) and 2007, 2nd round pick.

Jets trade own 3rd (71) to Philadelphia Eagles for 3rd (76), Jets select LB - Anthony Schlegel, & 7th (220) DL- Titus Adams.

Jets trade own 5th (138) to Dallas Cowboys for their 5th (150) & 6th (189), originally Jets pick via Washington Redskins then traded to Dallas Cowboys for Kellen Clemens trade but Jets got it back by trading back from (138), get (5th 150, select TE - Jason Pociask & 6th 189, CB - Drew Coleman).

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2006)

Jets trade 2nd (53), 6th (189), got from Washington Redskins trade, & Jets own 7th (211) got Dallas Cowboys 2nd (49) select QB – Kellen Clemens.

2007:

Players for picks:

2007)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Trade 6th (177) for Jets TE – Doug Jolley, Jets use 6th (177) selected OT – Jacob Bender.

Jets trade DB (August 2005) – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), eventually traded to Dallas for TE- Sean Ryan (2009, 6 Rec. 44 YRDS; 2010 3 Rec. 6 YRDS).

Picks for players:

2007)

Jets trade DB – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), Jets then trade this pick (212) to Dallas Cowboys for TE – Sean Ryan (2006, 16 games, 6 REC, 44 YRDS, 2007, 10 Games, 3 REC, 46 YRDS).

Jets trade 4th (124) to San Francisco 49ers for RB Kevan Barlow, trade made in august 2006, (One season, 2006, 12 games, 370 YDS, 2.8 YPC).

Jets traded 2nd (37), obtained from Washington Redskins in Jets trade-back made in 2006, then traded pick to Chicago Bears for RB Thomas Jones & Bears 2nd (63).

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2007)

Jets trade 1st (25), 2nd (59) & 5th (164) to Carolina Panthers for 1st (14) pick CB Darrelle Revis. (Lose 2 picks)

Jets trade 2nd (63), obtained from Chicago Bears, 3rd (89) & 6th (191) to Green Bay Packers for 2nd (47) David Harris & Green Bay 7th (235), used by Jets to pick WR Chansi Stuckey . (Lose 1 pick)

2008:

Players for picks:

2008)

Jets got 4th (113), from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade.

Jets traded 4th (113) along with 2nd (36) to Green Bay for 1st (30) select Dustin Keller.

Green Bay trades 4th (113) – Jets pick DB Dwight Lowery and 5th (162) Jets pick QB Erik Ainge for Jets 4th (102).

Picks for players:

2008)

Jets trade a 3rd (67) & 5th (141) to Carolina Panthers for Kris Jenkins NT/DT. (2008 – 16 games, 2009 - 6 games, 2010 – 1 game)

Jets got 4th (113) from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade.

Jets trade 2nd (36) & 4th (113), Got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, to Green Bay for 1st (30) draft Dustin Keller - TE.

Trade backs for extra picks:

2008)

Green Bay trade for Jets 4th (102) gave up (4th (113) – Jets pick DB Dwight Lowery and 5th (162) QB – Jets pick QB Erik Ainge).

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2008)

Jets trade 2nd (36) & 4th (113), Got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, to Green Bay for 1st (30) draft Dustin Keller - TE.

2009:

Players for picks:

2009)

Jets got 3rd (76) from New Orleans Saints trade for Vilma.

Jets got 4th (115) from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade.

Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

Picks for players:

2009)

Jets trade 3rd (83) to Green Bay for QB Brett Favre (One season 2008).

Jets trade 5th (153) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB – Lito Sheppard (One season 2009).

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2009)

Jets trade 1st (17) & 2nd (52) to Cleveland Browns for 1st (5) QB – Mark Sanchez. (Lose 1 pick)

Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene. (Lose 2 picks)

2010:

Players for picks:

2010)

Jets acquire 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes.

Jets trade 4th (124), & 6th (198) for 4th (112) from Carolina Panthers, Jets select RB – Joe McKnight.

Jets trade Leon Washington & 7th (236) to Seattle Seahawks for 5th (139) Jets select FB- John Connor.

Picks for players:

2010)

Jets trade 3rd (92) & 5th (160) to Cleveland for WR- Braylon Edwards (12 games 2009, 16 games 2010).

Jets trade 4th (127) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB - Lito Sheppard, get 5th (155) from Philadelphia Eagles.

Jets trade 5th (155), got from Philadelphia Eagles swap 4th (127) for CB Lito Sheppard, then traded (155) to Pittsburgh Steelers for WR Santonio Holmes (2010, 12 games 52 REC, 746 YRDS, 2011, 16 games, 51 REC, 654 YRDS). Became a free agent after 2010, resigned by Jets.

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2010)

Jets trade 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes, & 6th (198) for 4th (112) from Carolina Panthers, Jets select RB – Joe McKnight.

2011:

Players for picks:

2011)

Jets get 7th (208) from Arizona Cardinals, 2010 Kerry Rhodes trade, pick QB – Greg McElroy.

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2011)

Jets trade 5th (161) & 6th (194) to Philadelphia Eagles for 5th (153) WR - Jeremy Kerley & 7th (227), from Philadelphia Eagles, pick WR – Scotty McKnight. (Even)

Picks for players:

2011)

Jets trade 2nd (61) to San Diego Chargers for CB Antonio Cromartie (Became a free agent in 2011, resigned by Jets).

Jets trade 7th (231) to Detroit Lions for QB – Kevin O’Connell.

2012:

Players for picks:

2012)

Jets get 7th (214) from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery.

Jets trade QB – Drew Stanton & 7th (214), got from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery trade, to Indianapolis Colts for 6th (187) DB - Josh Bush.

Picks for players:

2012)

Jets trade 4th (108) & 6th (188) for QB – Tim Tebow & 7th (232) from Denver.

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2012)

Jets trade 2nd (47), 5th (154) & 7th (232) to Seattle Seahawks for 2nd (43) WR – Stephen Hill.

Jets Trades:

John Abraham:

2006) To Atlanta Falcons for their 1st (29)

Coach Herm Edwards:

2006) Traded Head Coach Herman Edwards to Kansas City Chiefs for 4th (117)

2007)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Trade 6th (177) for Jets TE – Doug Jolley, Jets use 6th (177).

Jets trade DB (August 2005) – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), eventually traded to Dallas for TE- Sean Ryan.

Jonathan Vilma:

2008) Jets got 4th (113), from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade.

2009) Jets gave their 4th (118) round pick to New Orleans, Jets got 3rd (76) New Orleans, Vilma trade.

Kerry Rhodes:

2010) Jets acquire 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals.

2011) Jets get 7th (208), from Arizona Cardinals.

Leon Washington:

2010) Jets trade Leon Washington & 7th (236) to Seattle Seahawks for 5th (139).

Dwight Lowery:

2012) Jets get 7th (214) from Jacksonville Jaguars

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It took you weeks to pore over seven Wikipedia entries?

If you notice in the article every move is verified by a legitimate news source which takes lots of work and research. My name actually goes on these articles and it doesn’t take a minute like making an anonymous forum post it often takes days to compile an article of this nature. To say I took someone else’s work and put my name on it is insulting and false.

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To say I took someone else’s work and put my name on it is insulting and false.

Of course it's insulting and false. The underlying information isn't work, yours, his, or otherwise, because facts aren't proprietary, and I think the conclusion that this record is one of a 'draft genius' is sufficiently insane as to rule out the possibility that it actually came from somewhere.

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Tannenbaum gets zero credit for Revis because he didn't ****ing do anything. Revis was Mangini's pick. All Tannenbaum had to do was pay chart value to move up and then ink a slot deal. Check and...sh*t.

using this logic, none of the drafting is Tanny's doing. Not for good or for ill. If he doesn't get the credit for Revis than he doesn't get the blame for Gholston.

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Of course it's insulting and false. The underlying information isn't work, yours, his, or otherwise, because facts aren't proprietary, and I think the conclusion that this record is one of a 'draft genius' is sufficiently insane as to rule out the possibility that it actually came from somewhere.

Too much for you to understand that people refer to Tannenbaum as a cap genius, which he is terrible at, but a bad drafter, so why isn’t he a draft genius if he’s a cap genius? The title is meant as being humorous begging the question how did Tanny get such a bad rep as a drafter and a good one as a cap guy when the facts don’t point that out.

All I can say is look over the articles I have written and tell me where I stole them from?

Saying I plagiarized someone’s work is BS (period).

The fact is anyone can criticize my writings/opinions but my articles stand alone, take lots of time to research/write and are all my doing:

http://www.jetnation.com/2012/11/25/why-sanchez-wont-be-benched/

http://www.jetnation.com/2012/11/14/reason-why-the-tebow-trade-should-never-have-happened/

http://www.jetnation.com/2012/11/07/why-jets-fans-should-be-glad-this-one-got-away/

http://www.jetnation.com/2012/11/04/is-this-the-next-jets-left-guard/

http://www.jetnation.com/2012/10/31/has-mike-westhoff-already-retired/

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Jason does a great job with his site and is very generous with his time but you will see that everything on here is linked and verified by various sources. I’ve worked hard compiling the Tannenbaum records for weeks and have done extensive research. Below is just some that I’ve done.

Funny I wrote Sione Po’uha would be cut for salary cap reasons on Sept. 12 now everyone is saying it, that doesn’t mean they stole it from me? Just look through the history of my writings, they stand on their own.

http://www.jetnation...eason-as-a-jet/

Here is just portion of my research:

2012:

1st (16) DE - Quinton Coples.

2nd (43) WR - Stephen Hill.

· Jets trade 2nd (47), 5th (154) & 7th (232) to Seattle Seahawks for 2nd (43) WR – Stephen Hill.

3rd (77) LB - Demario Davis.

4th (108) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 4th (108) & 6th (188) for QB – Tim Tebow & 7th (232) from Denver.

· Jets trade QB – Drew Stanton & 7th (214), got from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery trade, to Indianapolis Colts for 6th (187) DB - Josh Bush.

5th (154) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 2nd (47), 5th (154) & 7th (232) to Seattle Seahawks for 2nd (43) WR – Stephen Hill.

6th (187) DB – Josh Bush.

· Jets trade QB – Drew Stanton & 7th (214), got from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery trade, to Indianapolis Colts for 6th (187) DB - Josh Bush.

6th (202) COMP - RB - Terrance Ganaway.

6th (203) COMP - OL – Robert T. Griffin.

7th (214) Jets via Jacksonville (None)

· Jets trade QB – Drew Stanton & 7th (214), got from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery trade, to Indianapolis Colts for 6th (187) DB - Josh Bush.

7th (224) Jets (None)

· Jets trade 7th (224) to Green Bay Packers for OL – Caleb Schlauderaff.

7th (232) Jets via Denver Broncos (None).

· Jets trade 4th (108) & 6th (188) for QB – Tim Tebow & 7th (232) from Denver.

7th (242) COMP - DB - Antonio Allen.

7th (244) COMP - WR – Jordan White.

2011:

1st (30) DL - Muhammad Wilkerson.

2nd (61) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 2nd (61) to San Diego Chargers for CB Antonio Cromartie (Became a free agent in 2011, resigned by Jets).

3rd (94) DT - Kenrick Ellis.

4th (126) RB - Bilal Powell.

5th (153) WR – Jeremy Kerley.

· Jets trade 5th (161) & 6th (194) to Philadelphia Eagles for 5th (153) WR - Jeremy Kerley & 7th (227).

6th (194) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 5th (161) & 6th (194) to Philadelphia Eagles for 5th (153) WR - Jeremy Kerley & 7th (227).

7th (231) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 7th (231) to Detroit Lions for QB – Kevin O’Connell. Trade made Sept. 6, 2009. (2009 & 2011, zero games).

7th (208) QB – Greg McElroy.

· Jets get 7th (208) from Arizona Cardinals, 2010 Kerry Rhodes trade, pick QB – Greg McElroy.

7th (227) WR – Scotty McKnight.

· Jets trade 5th (161) & 6th (194) to Philadelphia Eagles for 5th (153) WR - Jeremy Kerley & 7th (227) pick WR – Scotty McKnight.

2010:

1st (29) - Kyle Wilson.

2nd (61) - Vladimir Ducasse.

3rd (92) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 3rd (92) & 5th (160) to Cleveland for WR- Braylon Edwards (12 games 2009, 16 games 2010).

4th (127) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 4th (127) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB - Lito Sheppard, get 5th (155) from Philadelphia Eagles.

4th (112) RB – Joe McKnight.

· Jets trade 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes, & 6th (198) for 4th (112) from Carolina Panthers, Jets select RB – Joe McKnight.

5th (139) FB- John Connor.

· Jets trade Leon Washington & 7th (236) to Seattle Seahawks for 5th (139) Jets select FB- John Connor.

5th (155) Jets via Philadelphia (None).

· Jets trade 5th (155), got from Philadelphia Eagles swap 4th – 127 (Jets) & 5th – 155 (Eagles) - CB Lito Sheppard, then traded (155) to Pittsburgh Steelers for WR Santonio Holmes (2010, 12 games 52 REC, 746 YRDS, 2011, 16 games, 51 REC, 654 YRDS). Became a free agent after 2010, resigned by Jets.

5th (160) Jets (None)

· Jets trade 3rd (92) & 5th (160) to Cleveland for WR- Braylon Edwards (12 games 2009, 16 games 2010).

6th (198) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes, & 6th (198) for 4th (112) from Carolina Panthers, Jets select RB – Joe McKnight.

7th (236) Jets (None)

· Jets trade Leon Washington & 7th (236) to Seattle Seahawks for 5th (139) Jets select FB- John Connor.

2009:

1st (5) QB – Mark Sanchez.

· Jets trade 1st (17) & 2nd (52) to Cleveland Browns for 1st (5) QB – Mark Sanchez.

2nd (52) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 1st (17) & 2nd (52) to Cleveland Browns for 1st (5) QB – Mark Sanchez.

3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene

· Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

3rd (76) Jets via New Orleans (None)

· Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

3rd (83) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 3rd (83) to Green Bay for QB – Brett Favre (One season 2008); GB used to trade up for Clay Mathews.

4th (115) Jets via Washington (None)

· Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

4th (118) Jets (None)

· Jets gave their 4th (118) round pick to New Orleans, Jets got 3rd (76) New Orleans, Vilma trade.

5th (153) Jets (None)

· Jets trade 5th (153) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB – Lito Sheppard (One season 2009)

6th (193) OL- Matt Slauson

7th (228) Jets (None)

· Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

2008:

1st (6) DE/OLB – Vernon Gholston .

1st (30) TE - Dustin Keller.

· Jets trade 2nd (36) & 4th (113), Got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, to Green Bay for 1st (30) draft TE - Dustin Keller.

2nd (36) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 2nd (36) & 4th (113), Got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, to Green Bay for 1st (30) draft TE - Dustin Keller.

3rd (67) Jets (None).

· Jets trade a 3rd (67) & 5th (141) to Carolina Panthers for Kris Jenkins NT/DT. (2008 – 16 games, 2009 - 6 games, 2010 – 1 game).

4th (102) Jets (None).

4th (113) DB - Dwight Lowery.

· Green Bay trades 4th (113) – Jets pick DB - Dwight Lowery and 5th (162) Jets pick QB - Erik Ainge for Jets 4th (102).

5th QB - Erik Ainge.

· Green Bay trades 4th (113) – Jets pick DB - Dwight Lowery and 5th (162) Jets pick QB - Erik Ainge for Jets 4th (102).

6th (171) WR - Marcus Henry.

7th (211) OT - Nate Garner.

2007:

1st CB - Darrelle Revis.

· Jets trade 1st (25), 2nd (59) & 5th (164) to Carolina Panthers for 1st (14) pick CB - Darrelle Revis.

1st (25) Jets (None)

2nd (37) Jets None

· Jets traded 2nd (37), obtained from Washington Redskins in Jets trade-back made in 2006, then traded pick to Chicago Bears for RB Thomas Jones & Bears 2nd (63).

2nd (47) LB - David Harris

· Jets trade 2nd (63), obtained from Chicago Bears, 3rd (89) & 6th (191) to Green Bay Packers for 2nd (47) LB - David Harris & Green Bay 7th (235), used by Jets to pick WR Chansi Stuckey .

2nd (63) Jets via Chicago Bears (None)

· Jets traded 2nd (37), obtained from Washington Redskins in Jets trade-back made in 2006, then traded pick to Chicago Bears for RB Thomas Jones & Bears 2nd (63).

3rd (89) Jet (None)

· Jets trade 2nd (63), obtained from Chicago Bears, 3rd (89) & 6th (191) to Green Bay Packers for 2nd (47) LB - David Harris & Green Bay 7th (235), used by Jets to pick WR Chansi Stuckey .

4th Jets (None)

· Jets trade 4th (124) to San Francisco 49ers for RB Kevan Barlow (One season, 2006, 12 games, 370 YDS, 2.8 YPC).

6th (177) OT – Jacob Bender.

· Tampa Bay Buccaneers Trade 6th (177) for Jets TE – Doug Jolley, Jets use (177) selected OT – Jacob Bender.

6th (191) Jets (None)

· Jets trade 2nd (63), obtained from Chicago Bears, 3rd (89) & 6th (191) to Green Bay Packers for 2nd (47) LB - David Harris & Green Bay 7th (235), used by Jets to pick WR Chansi Stuckey .

7th (212) Jets via Detroit 9None)

· Jets trade DB – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), Jets then trade this pick (212) to Dallas Cowboys for TE – Sean Ryan (2009, 6 Rec. 44 YRDS; 2010 3 Rec. 6 YRDS).

7th (235) WR - Chansi Stuckey

· Jets trade 7th pick (735) to Green Bay Packers OL Steve Morley in 2005 but Green Bay traded it back in the David Harris Deal, Jets select WR - Chansi Stuckey.

2006:

1st (4) OT – D’Brickashaw Ferguson.

1st (29) C – Nick Mangold.

· Jets traded DE – John Abraham to Atlanta Falcons for 1st (29) select C – Nick Mangold.

2nd (35) Jets (None).

· Jets traded 2nd (35) to Washington Redskins for their 2nd (53), 6th (189) and 2007, 2nd round pick.

2nd (49) QB – Kellen Clemens.

Jets trade 2nd (53), 6th (189), got from Washington Redskins trade, & 7th (211) got Dallas Cowboys 2nd (49) select QB – Kellen Clemens.

3rd (71) Jets (none).

3rd (76) LB - Anthony Schlegel.

· Jets trade 3rd (71) to Philadelphia Eagles for 3rd (76), Jets select LB - Anthony Schlegel, & 7th (220) DL- Titus Adams.

3rd (97) DB – Eric Smith (Compensatory).

4th (103) WR/QB/KR – Brad Smith.

4th (117) RB – Leon Washington.

· Jets traded Head Coach Herman Edwards to Kansas City Chiefs for 4th (117) Jets select RB – Leon Washington.

5th (138) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 5th (138) to Dallas Cowboys for their 5th (150) & 6th (189), originally Jets pick via Washington Redskins then traded to Dallas Cowboys in Kellen Clemens 2nd (49) trade but Jets got it back by trading back from (138), get (5th 150, select TE - Jason Pociask & 6th 189, CB - Drew Coleman).

5th (150) TE - Jason Pociask.

· Jets trade 5th (138) to Dallas Cowboys for their 5th (150) & 6th (189), originally Jets pick via Washington Redskins then traded to Dallas Cowboys in Kellen Clemens 2nd (49) trade but Jets got it back by trading back from (138), get (5th 150, select TE - Jason Pociask & 6th 189, CB - Drew Coleman).

6th (173) Jets (None).

· Jets trade 6th (173) to Washington Redskins for QB – Patrick Ramesy (One season 2006, one pass attempt, incomplete).

6th (189) CB - Drew Coleman.

· Jets trade 5th (138) to Dallas Cowboys for their 5th (150) & 6th (189), originally Jets pick via Washington Redskins then traded to Dallas Cowboys in Kellen Clemens 2nd (49) trade but Jets got it back by trading back from (138), get (5th 150, select TE - Jason Pociask & 6th 189, CB - Drew Coleman).

7th (211) Jets (None)

Jets trade 2nd (53), 6th (189), got from Washington Redskins trade, & 7th (211) got Dallas Cowboys 2nd (49) select QB – Kellen Clemens.

7th (220) DL- Titus Adams.

· Jets trade 3rd (71) to Philadelphia Eagles for 3rd (76), Jets select LB - Anthony Schlegel, & 7th (220) DL- Titus Adams.

Players for picks:

2006)

· Jets traded DE – John Abraham to Atlanta Falcons for 1st (29) select C – Nick Mangold.

· Jets traded Head Coach Herman Edwards to Kansas City Chiefs for 4th (117) Jets select RB – Leon Washington.

2007)

· Tampa Bay Buccaneers Trade 6th (177) for Jets TE – Doug Jolley, Jets use 6th (177) selected OT – Jacob Bender.

· Jets trade DB (August 2005) – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), eventually traded to Dallas for TE- Sean Ryan (2009, 6 Rec. 44 YRDS; 2010 3 Rec. 6 YRDS).

2008)

· Jets got 4th (113), from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade.

2009)

· Jets gave their 4th (118) round pick to New Orleans, Jets got 3rd (76) New Orleans, Vilma trade.

· Jets got 4th (115) from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade.

2010)

· Jets acquire 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes.

· Jets trade Leon Washington & 7th (236) to Seattle Seahawks for 5th (139) Jets select FB- John Connor.

2011)

· Jets get 7th (208) from Arizona Cardinals, 2010 Kerry Rhodes trade, pick QB – Greg McElroy.

2012)

· Jets trade QB – Drew Stanton & 7th (214), got from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery trade, to Indianapolis Colts for 6th (187) DB - Josh Bush.

· Jets get 7th (214) from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery.

Picks for players:

2006)

· Jets trade 6th (173) to Washington Redskins for QB – Patrick Ramesy (One season 2006, one pass attempt, incomplete).

2007)

· Jets traded 2nd (37), obtained from Washington Redskins in Jets trade-back made in 2006, then traded pick to Chicago Bears for RB Thomas Jones & Bears 2nd (63).

· Jets trade 4th (124) to San Francisco 49ers for RB Kevan Barlow, trade made in august 2006, (One season, 2006, 12 games, 370 YDS, 2.8 YPC).

· Jets trade DB – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), Jets then trade this pick (212) to Dallas Cowboys for TE – Sean Ryan (2006, 16 games, 6 REC, 44 YRDS, 2007, 10 Games, 3 REC, 46 YRDS).

2008)

· Jets trade a 3rd (67) & 5th (141) to Carolina Panthers for Kris Jenkins NT/DT. (2008 – 16 games, 2009 - 6 games, 2010 – 1 game).

2009)

· Jets trade 3rd (83) to Green Bay for QB Brett Favre (One season 2008). GB used to trade up for Clay Mathews.

· Jets trade 5th (153) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB – Lito Sheppard (One season 2009).

2010)

· Jets trade 3rd (92) & 5th (160) to Cleveland for WR- Braylon Edwards (12 games 2009, 16 games 2010).

· Jets trade 4th (127) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB - Lito Sheppard, get 5th (155) from Philadelphia Eagles.

· Jets trade 5th (155), got from Philadelphia Eagles swap 4th (127) for CB Lito Sheppard, then traded (155) to Pittsburgh Steelers for WR Santonio Holmes (2010, 12 games 52 REC, 746 YRDS, 2011, 16 games, 51 REC, 654 YRDS). Became a free agent after 2010, resigned by Jets.

2011)

· Jets trade 2nd (61) to San Diego Chargers for CB Antonio Cromartie (Became a free agent in 2011, resigned by Jets).

· Jets trade 7th (231) to Detroit Lions for QB – Kevin O’Connell.

2012)

· Jets trade 4th (108) & 6th (188) for QB – Tim Tebow & 7th (232) from Denver.

· Jets trade 7th (224) to Green Bay Packers for OL – Caleb Schlauderaff.

Trade backs for extra picks:

2006)

· Jets traded 2nd (35) to Washington Redskins for their 2nd (53), 6th (189) and 2007, 2nd round pick.

· Jets trade 3rd (71) to Philadelphia Eagles for 3rd (76), Jets select LB - Anthony Schlegel, & 7th (220) DL- Titus Adams.

· Jets trade 5th (138) to Dallas Cowboys for their 5th (150) & 6th (189), originally Jets pick via Washington Redskins then traded to Dallas Cowboys for Kellen Clemens trade but Jets got it back by trading back from (138), get (5th 150, select TE - Jason Pociask & 6th 189, CB - Drew Coleman).

2008)

· Green Bay obtain 4th (102), Jets get (113 – Jets pick DB Dwight Lowery) and 5th (162 QB – Jets pick QB Erik Ainge).

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2006)

· Jets trade 2nd (53), 6th (189), got from Washington Redskins trade, & 7th (211) got Dallas Cowboys 2nd (49) select QB – Kellen Clemens.

2007)

· Jets trade 1st (25), 2nd (59) & 5th (164) to Carolina Panthers for 1st (14) pick CB Darrelle Revis.

· Jets trade 2nd (63), obtained from Chicago Bears, 3rd (89) & 6th (191) to Green Bay Packers for 2nd (47) David Harris & Green Bay 7th (235), used by Jets to pick WR Chansi Stuckey .

2008)

· Jets trade 2nd (36) & 4th (113), Got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, to Green Bay for 1st (30) draft Dustin Keller - TE.

2009)

· Jets trade 1st (17) & 2nd (52) to Cleveland Browns for 1st (5) QB – Mark Sanchez.

· Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

2010)

· Jets trade 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes, & 6th (198) for 4th (112) from Carolina Panthers, Jets select RB – Joe McKnight.

2011)

· Jets trade 5th (161) & 6th (194) to Philadelphia Eagles for 5th (153) WR - Jeremy Kerley & 7th (227), from Philadelphia Eagles, pick WR – Scotty McKnight.

2012)

· Jets trade 2nd (47), 5th (154) & 7th (232) to Seattle Seahawks for 2nd (43) WR – Stephen Hill.

2006:

Players for picks:

2006)

Jets traded DE – John Abraham to Atlanta Falcons for 1st (29) select C – Nick Mangold.

Jets traded Head Coach Herman Edwards to Kansas City Chiefs for 4th (117) Jets select RB – Leon Washington.

Picks for players:

2006)

Jets trade 6th (173) to Washington Redskins for QB – Patrick Ramesy (One season 2006, one pass attempt, incomplete).

Trade backs for extra picks:

2006)

Jets traded own 2nd (35) to Washington Redskins for their 2nd (53), 6th (189) and 2007, 2nd round pick.

Jets trade own 3rd (71) to Philadelphia Eagles for 3rd (76), Jets select LB - Anthony Schlegel, & 7th (220) DL- Titus Adams.

Jets trade own 5th (138) to Dallas Cowboys for their 5th (150) & 6th (189), originally Jets pick via Washington Redskins then traded to Dallas Cowboys for Kellen Clemens trade but Jets got it back by trading back from (138), get (5th 150, select TE - Jason Pociask & 6th 189, CB - Drew Coleman).

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2006)

Jets trade 2nd (53), 6th (189), got from Washington Redskins trade, & Jets own 7th (211) got Dallas Cowboys 2nd (49) select QB – Kellen Clemens.

2007:

Players for picks:

2007)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Trade 6th (177) for Jets TE – Doug Jolley, Jets use 6th (177) selected OT – Jacob Bender.

Jets trade DB (August 2005) – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), eventually traded to Dallas for TE- Sean Ryan (2009, 6 Rec. 44 YRDS; 2010 3 Rec. 6 YRDS).

Picks for players:

2007)

Jets trade DB – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), Jets then trade this pick (212) to Dallas Cowboys for TE – Sean Ryan (2006, 16 games, 6 REC, 44 YRDS, 2007, 10 Games, 3 REC, 46 YRDS).

Jets trade 4th (124) to San Francisco 49ers for RB Kevan Barlow, trade made in august 2006, (One season, 2006, 12 games, 370 YDS, 2.8 YPC).

Jets traded 2nd (37), obtained from Washington Redskins in Jets trade-back made in 2006, then traded pick to Chicago Bears for RB Thomas Jones & Bears 2nd (63).

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2007)

Jets trade 1st (25), 2nd (59) & 5th (164) to Carolina Panthers for 1st (14) pick CB Darrelle Revis. (Lose 2 picks)

Jets trade 2nd (63), obtained from Chicago Bears, 3rd (89) & 6th (191) to Green Bay Packers for 2nd (47) David Harris & Green Bay 7th (235), used by Jets to pick WR Chansi Stuckey . (Lose 1 pick)

2008:

Players for picks:

2008)

Jets got 4th (113), from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade.

Jets traded 4th (113) along with 2nd (36) to Green Bay for 1st (30) select Dustin Keller.

Green Bay trades 4th (113) – Jets pick DB Dwight Lowery and 5th (162) Jets pick QB Erik Ainge for Jets 4th (102).

Picks for players:

2008)

Jets trade a 3rd (67) & 5th (141) to Carolina Panthers for Kris Jenkins NT/DT. (2008 – 16 games, 2009 - 6 games, 2010 – 1 game)

Jets got 4th (113) from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade.

Jets trade 2nd (36) & 4th (113), Got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, to Green Bay for 1st (30) draft Dustin Keller - TE.

Trade backs for extra picks:

2008)

Green Bay trade for Jets 4th (102) gave up (4th (113) – Jets pick DB Dwight Lowery and 5th (162) QB – Jets pick QB Erik Ainge).

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2008)

Jets trade 2nd (36) & 4th (113), Got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, to Green Bay for 1st (30) draft Dustin Keller - TE.

2009:

Players for picks:

2009)

Jets got 3rd (76) from New Orleans Saints trade for Vilma.

Jets got 4th (115) from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade.

Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene.

Picks for players:

2009)

Jets trade 3rd (83) to Green Bay for QB Brett Favre (One season 2008).

Jets trade 5th (153) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB – Lito Sheppard (One season 2009).

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2009)

Jets trade 1st (17) & 2nd (52) to Cleveland Browns for 1st (5) QB – Mark Sanchez. (Lose 1 pick)

Jets Trade 3rd (76), got from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade, 4th (115), from Washington Redskins for 2007 Pete Kendall trade, and 7th (228) to Detroit Lions for 3rd (65) RB - Shonn Greene. (Lose 2 picks)

2010:

Players for picks:

2010)

Jets acquire 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes.

Jets trade 4th (124), & 6th (198) for 4th (112) from Carolina Panthers, Jets select RB – Joe McKnight.

Jets trade Leon Washington & 7th (236) to Seattle Seahawks for 5th (139) Jets select FB- John Connor.

Picks for players:

2010)

Jets trade 3rd (92) & 5th (160) to Cleveland for WR- Braylon Edwards (12 games 2009, 16 games 2010).

Jets trade 4th (127) to Philadelphia Eagles for CB - Lito Sheppard, get 5th (155) from Philadelphia Eagles.

Jets trade 5th (155), got from Philadelphia Eagles swap 4th (127) for CB Lito Sheppard, then traded (155) to Pittsburgh Steelers for WR Santonio Holmes (2010, 12 games 52 REC, 746 YRDS, 2011, 16 games, 51 REC, 654 YRDS). Became a free agent after 2010, resigned by Jets.

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2010)

Jets trade 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals for Kerry Rhodes, & 6th (198) for 4th (112) from Carolina Panthers, Jets select RB – Joe McKnight.

2011:

Players for picks:

2011)

Jets get 7th (208) from Arizona Cardinals, 2010 Kerry Rhodes trade, pick QB – Greg McElroy.

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2011)

Jets trade 5th (161) & 6th (194) to Philadelphia Eagles for 5th (153) WR - Jeremy Kerley & 7th (227), from Philadelphia Eagles, pick WR – Scotty McKnight. (Even)

Picks for players:

2011)

Jets trade 2nd (61) to San Diego Chargers for CB Antonio Cromartie (Became a free agent in 2011, resigned by Jets).

Jets trade 7th (231) to Detroit Lions for QB – Kevin O’Connell.

2012:

Players for picks:

2012)

Jets get 7th (214) from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery.

Jets trade QB – Drew Stanton & 7th (214), got from Jacksonville Jaguars for DB Dwight Lowery trade, to Indianapolis Colts for 6th (187) DB - Josh Bush.

Picks for players:

2012)

Jets trade 4th (108) & 6th (188) for QB – Tim Tebow & 7th (232) from Denver.

Trade up in draft losing picks:

2012)

Jets trade 2nd (47), 5th (154) & 7th (232) to Seattle Seahawks for 2nd (43) WR – Stephen Hill.

Jets Trades:

John Abraham:

2006) To Atlanta Falcons for their 1st (29)

Coach Herm Edwards:

2006) Traded Head Coach Herman Edwards to Kansas City Chiefs for 4th (117)

2007)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Trade 6th (177) for Jets TE – Doug Jolley, Jets use 6th (177).

Jets trade DB (August 2005) – John McGraw to Detroit Lions for 7th (212), eventually traded to Dallas for TE- Sean Ryan.

Jonathan Vilma:

2008) Jets got 4th (113), from New Orleans Saints for Vilma trade.

2009) Jets gave their 4th (118) round pick to New Orleans, Jets got 3rd (76) New Orleans, Vilma trade.

Kerry Rhodes:

2010) Jets acquire 4th (124), from Arizona Cardinals.

2011) Jets get 7th (208), from Arizona Cardinals.

Leon Washington:

2010) Jets trade Leon Washington & 7th (236) to Seattle Seahawks for 5th (139).

Dwight Lowery:

2012) Jets get 7th (214) from Jacksonville Jaguars

Pretty damn sure I was talking to Maxman, not you. Unless, you are someone else he failed to credit in the blog post.

Ok......

BD

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If copying and pasting entires and footnotes from Wikipedia under bolded headers qualifies as work and research then I am in the wrong ****ing business.

Why don't you go to Wikipedia and produce the same document I did to use as a reference for all the moves Tannenbaum has made during the draft. You will see that you need to use many resources and cutting and pasting from these resources is not an option.

I had to find corresponding articles to every draft move either remembering who was traded when and what they gave up or got so I could like them later if needed. I also had to categorize the articles. I broke up the moves into separate categorize to make them easier to find and insert into any article I was going to write.

Fact is I gathered resources to be prepared for when a Tannenbaum article would be appropriate and planned on doing more than one on Tanny’s record. Like how he changed his drafting/building strategy since 2007 or how Woody Johnson has possible been calling the shoots, but I guess I just stole that as well or maybe I can just cut and paste it.

The bottom line is the appreciation for the hard work I put into this piece was to say I stole it and put my name on it and then just cut and paste some stuff. Two things which are just not true.

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Pretty damn sure I was talking to Maxman, not you. Unless, you are someone else he failed to credit in the blog post.

Ok......

BD

No you accused ME of stealing this and I don’t like being called a plagiarizer. Please show me where Jason did anything like this. Sure some of these moves have probably been criticized by Jason along with countless others but this, like all my other articles, are of my own hard work, I don’t need to copy anything anyone else does, so no not OK!

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Why don't you go to Wikipedia and produce the same document I did to use as a reference for all the moves Tannenbaum has made during the draft. You will see that you need to use many resources and cutting and pasting from these resources is not an option.

I had to find corresponding articles to every draft move either remembering who was traded when and what they gave up or got so I could like them later if needed. I also had to categorize the articles. I broke up the moves into separate categorize to make them easier to find and insert into any article I was going to write.

Fact is I gathered resources to be prepared for when a Tannenbaum article would be appropriate and planned on doing more than one on Tanny’s record. Like how he changed his drafting/building strategy since 2007 or how Woody Johnson has possible been calling the shoots, but I guess I just stole that as well or maybe I can just cut and paste it.

The bottom line is the appreciation for the hard work I put into this piece was to say I stole it and put my name on it and then just cut and paste some stuff. Two things which are just not true.

With how defensive you're getting, you're not helping your cause very much.

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With how defensive you're getting, you're not helping your cause very much.

Not helping what cause, I could care less if every post in this forum said this was the worst piece of garbage they ever read but it has my name on it and was done via my effort no one else’s. Jason has a wonderful site I would recommend to anyone but he writes in this forum so let’s see if he thinks I stole this article from him?

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Not helping what cause, I could care less if every post in this forum said this was the worst piece of garbage they ever read but it has my name on it and was done via my effort no one else’s. Jason has a wonderful site I would recommend to anyone but he writes in this forum so let’s see if he thinks I stole this article from him?

The cause that this isn't consolidated Wikipedia entries.

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The bottom line is the appreciation for the hard work I put into this piece was to say I stole it and put my name on it and then just cut and paste some stuff. Two things which are just not true.

If you're going to be in the content business you're just going to have to grow up and put this ridiculous notion that anybody cares about your hard work right out of your mind. I'm being constructive here. The level of detail you went into on the individual transactions doesn't really bolster your argument in any way. This isn't research you had to do. It's time you wasted Googling. What you think is your process is really just a distraction. Next time just sit down, close the browser, and make your point. And knock it off with the quotation marks.

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The cause that this isn't consolidated Wikipedia entries.

Here is the link to the article in question read it and prove I cut and paste from Wikipedia to make it.

http://www.jetnation.com/2012/11/29/tannenbaum-draft-genius-salary-cap-novice/

The document I copy and pasted in the post was 2 word documents I typed out myself after verifying moves by finding articles that match what happened. I remember all the trades the Jets have made since Tannenbaum became GM I don’t need nor would trust Wikipedia as a reliable source otherwise I would have just linked them and not the articles I did. Please go through every article I’ve done on JN and you will not find one link to Wikipedia!

Do you think Wikipedia mentions Santonio Holmes became a free agent in 2010? No, I added in information to use later a history of what happen to the player after the draft or does Wikipedia have Kris Jenkins years and games played, no, etc, etc. I put in so much information to use in this article, like I always do, using my own time.

The fact is the document I have has everything I need to break down the Tannenbaum’s drafts without forgetting things and links to back them up

I broke my ass for 2 weeks to get the information correct and link up articles to prove my points so I would be reminded that Cromartie became a free agent after 2011 and then he signed a large contract.

So NO THIS IS NOT WIKIPEDIA and you’re welcome please keep enjoying my work.

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