Mehta: Coples Needs a Mean Streak

[Matt39]

If Coples washes out, it will be for the same reason that Gholston washed out--he didn't like football. That's your comparison.

 

I dont know if it's that. But if you're a dlineman and can't hit the switch and turn into into a slightly crazy person on gameday- it's tough to be an every down player. I think that's the concern.

[JustInFudge]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000168601/article/rex-ryan-harps-on-quinton-coples-weightroom-work

Again, that's one comment. A year ago. He supposedly shed weight and is less than 9% body fat.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. You just dont typically associate that type of effort with lazy people.

[slats]

If Coples washes out, it will be for the same reason that Gholston washed out--he didn't like football. That's your comparison.

I understand what you were going for, I also understand that it's incredibly weak. Gholston was always gonna wash out of the league, it seems unlikely to me that Coples will. Worst case, he's a lower paid part-time player going forward, IMHO.

I don't even buy the doesn't like football thing. If he's not a starter for a lot of years, it'll be because he wasn't willing to do the work.

[JustInFudge]

He cut weight this offseason because he didnt have a position. Strictly on the field though, you'd like to see more aggression, backside pursuit, not taking plays off etc.

Well he's playing the same position he did last year so I don't how true that is but I guess I could see that point.

But why would a lazy guy who doesn't like Football care about having a position so much so that he spent all offseason working out to fit the role better? Again, that's not the actions of a player who doesn't care, IMO. He could have stayed put, play backup and waited for that next contract on a 4-3 team.

In terms of on the field; he's looked like a monster at times. Sure it's not consistent but like I said, everyone develops differently. Our new pass rush specialist sucked for 7 years before he broke out.

[AFJF]

Manish needs a journalism streak.

[T0mShane]

I understand what you were going for, I also understand that it's incredibly weak. Gholston was always gonna wash out of the league, it seems unlikely to me that Coples will. Worst case, he's a lower paid part-time player going forward, IMHO.

I don't even buy the doesn't like football thing. If he's not a starter for a lot of years, it'll be because he wasn't willing to do the work.

Christ. He's not willing to "do the work" because he doesn't give a sh*t about football. He's carried that tag since he was 18 years old.

[slats]

Christ. He's not willing to "do the work" because he doesn't give a sh*t about football. He's carried that tag since he was 18 years old.

Being lazy =/= not liking something. Trust me, I know. I'm the laziest person I've ever met, but I still like things.

[T0mShane]

Being lazy =/= not liking something. Trust me, I know. I'm the laziest person I've ever met, but I still like things.

This is why we get along. I hate everything, but I'm really ambitiously hateful.

[JustInFudge]

Christ. He's not willing to "do the work" because he doesn't give a sh*t about football. He's carried that tag since he was 18 years old.

His work this offseason says otherwise.

[SouthernJet]

Has nuthin to do w/work ethic, etc,,Its Que wanting to play every down. He is getting better as he ages and matures. A few kids will also kick his ass in 'every down' gear

[Sperm Edwards]

Well he's playing the same position he did last year so I don't how true that is but I guess I could see that point.

But why would a lazy guy who doesn't like Football care about having a position so much so that he spent all offseason working out to fit the role better? Again, that's not the actions of a player who doesn't care, IMO. He could have stayed put, play backup and waited for that next contract on a 4-3 team.

In terms of on the field; he's looked like a monster at times. Sure it's not consistent but like I said, everyone develops differently. Our new pass rush specialist sucked for 7 years before he broke out.

 

Same thing with Pace. Started all 16 games as a rookie because (a) he was a first round pick, and ( it was 2003 Arizona who fielded the NFL's worst defense.  After that he didn't really show much of anything until towards the end of his 5th year (was the starter in 2006 and then got benched, never starting another game that year from the bye week onward).

 

Some guys just develop later, and I'm sure Coples changing positions, and then breaking his ankle, didn't help. I take for granted that someone's going to be better in his 2nd year at a new position than he was in his first. Unless it's from a lack of effort.

 

Like Bryan Thomas, who became so lazy in 2007, after getting his new contract, that the team drafted Gholston the following spring with their #6 overall pick after signing Calvin Pace to a huge deal a month earlier. If Thomas was crushing it we probably wouldn't have drafted Gholston since Thomas was already getting $5M/year. Then again, Mangini was a sucker for high-character guys like Gholston who exhibited Jets Core Values so you never know. 

[SouthernJet]

 

 

Some guys just develop later, and I'm sure Coples changing positions, and then breaking his ankle, didn't help. I take for granted that someone's going to be better in his 2nd year at a new position than he was in his first. Unless it's from a lack of effort.

 

ya, Que had same thing happen at UNC, he changed positions 3 times due to staff changes.

[Matt39]

ya, Que had same thing happen at UNC, he changed positions 3 times due to staff changes.

 

He doesnt really have a position. He's better suited on the inside- but Sheldon pretty much makes him expendable. He's not a pure edge rusher.

[AFJF]

Christ. He's not willing to "do the work" because he doesn't give a sh*t about football. He's carried that tag since he was 18 years old.

 

Dropped 15 lbs and under 9% body fat.  I mean, just look at the guy, you can tell he's too lazy and doesn't care to "do the work".

[T0mShane]

Dropped 15 lbs and under 9% body fat. I mean, just look at the guy, you can tell he's too lazy and doesn't care to "do the work".

Slats said he was lazy. Not me, my bruh.

[AFJF]

Slats said he was lazy. Not me, my bruh.

 

My bad, you were the one saying he doesn't like football.  Another great reason to get in to great shape and down to a more ideal weight to excel at a  new position.  That makes just as much sense.

[T0mShane]

My bad, you were the one saying he doesn't like football. Another great reason to get in to great shape and down to a more ideal weight to excel at a new position. That makes just as much sense.

There's a difference between hitting the treadmill in March and banging your head against an NFL tackle for 60 plays in November.

[Matt39]

There's a difference between hitting the treadmill in March and banging your head against an NFL tackle for 60 plays in November.

 

Not sure why this is a big deal. Sheldon's motor is what you hope all of your guys have....not everyone is wired like that. And its tough to play dline consistently if you're passive.

[dbatesman]

There's a difference between hitting the treadmill in March and banging your head against an NFL tackle for 60 plays in November.

 

If he doesn't like football, how do you explain those gnarly brands?

[T0mShane]

Not sure why this is a big deal. Sheldon's motor is what you hope all of your guys have....not everyone is wired like that. And its tough to play dline consistently if you're passive.

It's tough to play in the front seven if you're passive. The only guy to do that and not die was Coples' hero Julius Peppers.

[T0mShane]

If he doesn't like football, how do you explain those gnarly brands?

If I had abs, but didn't like football, would that open a hole in the space-time continuum?

[Matt39]

It's tough to play in the front seven if you're passive. The only guy to do that and not die was Coples' hero Julius Peppers.

 

It's easier as an edge guy, which Peppers is. I think that could be the reasoning on moving Coples outside. Just hope he's athletic enough to handle it.

 

His rookie year Coples flashed big time at times rushing inside....the effort was just never consistent. He was throwing around Max Unger like a ragdoll.

[AFJF]

There's a difference between hitting the treadmill in March and banging your head against an NFL tackle for 60 plays in November.

 

Totally...when I look at Coples I think to myself "Ugh, just another treadmill geek who isn't willing to work hard enough to be an NFL football player"...clearly he's just worried about his true passion, marathon running.  That's where he's headed once he's out of the league because he just hates football. 

 

I can't imagine hating a team so much that you only see what you want to see when you look at a player.  Like getting in to the type of shape that Coples is in would imply that he doesn't care about football. If he didn't care about football, he could simply walk away from it.  He has enough money to go do whatever it is you believe he cares about. 

[JustInFudge]

If he doesn't like football, how do you explain those gnarly brands?

Holy merciful crap.

[slats]

There's a difference between hitting the treadmill in March and banging your head against an NFL tackle for 60 plays in November.

Yeah, hitting the treadmill is endlessly more fun than playing in an NFL game. I can see why some of the guys prefer it.

[Smashmouth]

get this brown thing the hell away from me

 

[Jetsfan80]

get this brown thing the hell away from me

 

 

You racist.

[Smashmouth]

You racist.

you craz

[The Crusher]

There's a difference between hitting the treadmill in March and banging your head against an NFL tackle for 60 plays in November.

Not if you have terrible balance.

[T0mShane]

Totally...when I look at Coples I think to myself "Ugh, just another treadmill geek who isn't willing to work hard enough to be an NFL football player"...clearly he's just worried about his true passion, marathon running. That's where he's headed once he's out of the league because he just hates football.

I can't imagine hating a team so much that you only see what you want to see when you look at a player. Like getting in to the type of shape that Coples is in would imply that he doesn't care about football. If he didn't care about football, he could simply walk away from it. He has enough money to go do whatever it is you believe he cares about.

I don't hate the team. I didn't hate the team when I ripped Herm. I didn't hate the team when I ripped Bradway. I didn't hate the team when I ripped Tannenbaum or Coslet or Kotite, and I don't hate the team because I think Rex is a loser. If you define "hating the team" as "questioning specific personnel on said team," then, yes, I hate the team. This thread isn't about me "hating" Coples. This thread is about discussing whether or not a player who has been dogged by questions about his desire to play once high school can overcome that label.

[T0mShane]

It's easier as an edge guy, which Peppers is. I think that could be the reasoning on moving Coples outside. Just hope he's athletic enough to handle it.

His rookie year Coples flashed big time at times rushing inside....the effort was just never consistent. He was throwing around Max Unger like a ragdoll.

Agreed. I think it was foolish to move him further away from the football. It's never worked out for him, here or at UNC.

[Matt39]

Agreed. I think it was foolish to move him further away from the football. It's never worked out for him, here or at UNC.

 

Should  clarify- it's easier as an edge guy to get away with half assing on some plays(obvious run downs). Our old friend John Abraham made a pretty great career out of it(another dui btw).  I don't think the Jets felt Coples had the motor/desire to be an every down interior lineman....but they see he's borderline athletic enough to handle the outside.

[SouthernJet]

Should  clarify- it's easier as an edge guy to get away with half assing on some plays(obvious run downs). Our old friend John Abraham made a pretty great career out of it(another dui btw).  I don't think the Jets felt Coples had the motor/desire to be an every down interior lineman....but they see he's borderline athletic enough to handle the outside.

I hear he has finally matured from a 'I know I want LONG career for money for family, 401K, family, relatives, post career bucks' etc point of view,,that is what is more important than anything cause TRUST me , he has freakish Peppers type skills when on his game..

[AFJF]

I don't hate the team. I didn't hate the team when I ripped Herm. I didn't hate the team when I ripped Bradway. I didn't hate the team when I ripped Tannenbaum or Coslet or Kotite, and I don't hate the team because I think Rex is a loser. If you define "hating the team" as "questioning specific personnel on said team," then, yes, I hate the team. This thread isn't about me "hating" Coples. This thread is about discussing whether or not a player who has been dogged by questions about his desire to play once high school can overcome that label.

 

Sure, you're a super die hard fan, who claims that a guy like Coples just runs on the treadmill becuase he doesn't like football.

 

The guy has multiple millions of dollars in the bank.  If, as you claim, he didn't like football, then he would undoubtedly take the Albert Haynesworth route.  Why the hell would he ever lift a finger so that he could be a better player?  It makes absolutely zero sense.  Hell, even if he didn't lose a friggin ounce.  Even if  he put on 20 pounds, the Jets would keep him around to make a couple more million before they'd give up on him and cut him.  He'd be in his early 20's, sitting on about four million dollars, and unemployed.  He'd be 100% able to do anything he sees fit, rather than continuing to work at a job he doesn't like.

 

This is a guy whose play got better and better as the season went on, even as the Jets playoff chances got slimmer and slimmer.

 

Now you tell me, what kind of human being hates their job, but continues to do it despite the opportunity to stop doing it and sit on a stack of money.  What sense would it make for  him to play at a higher level and continue to show growth and improvement during a time when the wins mean less and less?  Nobody.  Nobody in their right mind does that (there's your opening to change directions and accuse him of having a psychological disorder).

 

Now, if you want to say that he takes some plays off, I won't be able to argue that because I don't watch him on every single snap, and I also don't know his responsibility on every single play like a lot of posters do.

 

I have zero issues with blasting a team if/when it's justified and makes sense.  But to constantly read about how everyone is worthless, and stupid, and clueless, and heartless, and gutless despite the fact that in many cases that facts 100% contradict the accusation eventually gets old.

[SouthernJet]

 

 

I have zero issues with blasting a team if/when it's justified and makes sense.  But to constantly read about how everyone is worthless, and stupid, and clueless, and heartless, and gutless despite the fact that in many cases that facts 100% contradict the accusation eventually gets old.

Tom, u know I respect ya on JN (not BSing), but be a 'tad' careful of not crossing into the 'Assmop Zone' Sprinkle 'some' good stuff around as well ...

 

Now with that being said, IF from a PR/marketing/hype point of view, this is the chosen part u have been assigned on Radio show, ignore all I said above. I understand PR