CTM Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 How about 1995, when Moore was the Lions' offensive coordinator and Scott ******* Mitchell threw for over 4,000 yards and 32 TDs? How about 1996 when Schott ******* Mitchell threw for 2800 yards and 17/17 td/int All under Moore: How about 1986 when Mark Malone threw for 2400 yards, a 50% completion and 15/18 td/int How about 1987 when Mark Malone threw for 1900 yards, a 46% completion and 6/19 td/int How about 1988 when Bibby Brister threw for 2600 yards, a 47% completion and 11/14 td/int How about 1989 when Bibby Brister threw for 2300 yards, a 55% completion and 9/10 td/int It's tough sledding without a top 5 QB of all time behind center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 How about 1996 when Schott ******* Mitchell threw for 2800 yards and 17/17 td/int All under Moore: How about 1986 when Mark Malone threw for 2400 yards, a 50% completion and 15/18 td/int How about 1987 when Mark Malone threw for 1900 yards, a 46% completion and 6/19 td/int How about 1988 when Bibby Brister threw for 2600 yards, a 47% completion and 11/14 td/int How about 1989 when Bibby Brister threw for 2300 yards, a 55% completion and 9/10 td/int It's tough sledding without a top 5 QB of all time behind center Luckily we don't have Bubby Brister or Mark Malone..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Luckily we don't have Bubby Brister or Mark Malone..... We do though, unless Sanchez steps up this year, that's basically exactly what he's had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Tom Moore is overrated. Brian Schottenheimer would look like a genius if Peyton Manning was his QB for the last 13 years, too. He's a fresh set of eyes, here to tweak what the Jets are already doing. He's 72 years old. He didn't like being forced to retire, but his job here on the Jets is pretty much his version of becoming a Walmart greeter. If Tom Moore is the greeter would that make Schotty the guy that go's out and fetchses the carts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 How about 1996 when Schott ******* Mitchell threw for 2800 yards and 17/17 td/int All under Moore: How about 1986 when Mark Malone threw for 2400 yards, a 50% completion and 15/18 td/int How about 1987 when Mark Malone threw for 1900 yards, a 46% completion and 6/19 td/int How about 1988 when Bibby Brister threw for 2600 yards, a 47% completion and 11/14 td/int How about 1989 when Bibby Brister threw for 2300 yards, a 55% completion and 9/10 td/int It's tough sledding without a top 5 QB of all time behind center Are you seriously using Mark malone and Bubby Brister as your examples ? really ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Are you seriously using Mark malone and Bubby Brister as your examples ? really ? Bubby Brister > Chad Pennington Mark Malone > Kellen Clemens my point is that Schotty has had sh*tty qb's, and Moore during the peak of his career also FAILED with sh*tty QB's... If the Jets had drafted Manning Schotty would've become a HC somewhere by now cause we would've had a top 5 offense every year he was here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Bubby Brister > Chad Pennington Mark Malone > Kellen Clemens my point is that Schotty has had sh*tty qb's, and Moore during the peak of his career also FAILED with sh*tty QB's... If the Jets had drafted Manning Schotty would've become a HC somewhere by now cause we would've had a top 5 offense every year he was here That's extremely logically flawed. The only thing Schitty has proven is that he can fail with the allegedly sh*tty QBs he's had (like Chad Pennington and Favre whom both had great years after leaving). Schitty has not proven he could have succeeded with a young Manning. That is just your assumption, which you're trying to force in as a fact to uphold your flawed comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 How about 1996 when Schott ******* Mitchell threw for 2800 yards and 17/17 td/int All under Moore: How about 1986 when Mark Malone threw for 2400 yards, a 50% completion and 15/18 td/int How about 1987 when Mark Malone threw for 1900 yards, a 46% completion and 6/19 td/int How about 1988 when Bibby Brister threw for 2600 yards, a 47% completion and 11/14 td/int How about 1989 when Bibby Brister threw for 2300 yards, a 55% completion and 9/10 td/int It's tough sledding without a top 5 QB of all time behind center See below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Troll Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Scott ******* Mitchell is remembered as one of the worst QBs in recent history and he had an all-pro caliber season under Tom Moore. The game underwent a radical shift in the mid-90's, and I really don't give a sh*t what happened in the late 80's. Vinny had a 13 TD-35 INT season and and kept his job for five more years. Different era. No sh*t it helps to have Peyton Manning, but anyone that can get that elite of a season out of Scott ******* Mitchell is a great coach. When I went to edit the other post, it made a new one. In quotations. I hate this new board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 That's extremely logically flawed. The only thing Schitty has proven is that he can fail with the allegedly sh*tty QBs he's had (like Chad Pennington and Favre whom both had great years after leaving). Schitty has not proven he could have succeeded with a young Manning. That is just your assumption, which you're trying to force in as a fact to uphold your flawed comparison. Thats chan looking for an arguement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 That's extremely logically flawed. The only thing Schitty has proven is that he can fail with the allegedly sh*tty QBs he's had (like Chad Pennington and Favre whom both had great years after leaving). Schitty has not proven he could have succeeded with a young Manning. That is just your assumption, which you're trying to force in as a fact to uphold your flawed comparison. Dude.. anyone can suceed with manning.. that's my point.. And chad pennington is suckass... favre got hurt, and still he had worse seasons under Holmgram in an offense he knew since 2md year in league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Scott ******* Mitchell is remembered as one of the worst QBs in recent history and he had an all-pro caliber season under Tom Moore. The game underwent a radical shift in the mid-90's, and I really don't give a sh*t what happened in the late 80's. Vinny had a 13 TD-35 INT season and and kept his job for five more years. Different era. No sh*t it helps to have Peyton Manning, but anyone that can get that elite of a season out of Scott ******* Mitchell is a great coach. When I went to edit the other post, it made a new one. In quotations. I hate this new board. it's one seasons in a long career, who gives a sh*t about 1 succesful season Scott Mitchell had 15 years ago... The guy was never an elite guy till manning and he's 72 years old now, the game has surely passed him by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 it's one seasons in a long career, who gives a sh*t about 1 succesful season Scott Mitchell had 15 years ago... The guy was never an elite guy till manning and he's 72 years old now, the game has surely passed him by I guess we'll see, but I think it's wrong to dismiss Moore outright. Manning had basically been his own offensive coordinator for years, but Moore should at least get some credit. You can't become perhaps the greatest player of all-time without coaching, and it certainly wasn't Tony Dungy that was coaching Manning up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I guess we'll see, but I think it's wrong to dismiss Moore outright. Manning had basically been his own offensive coordinator for years, but Moore should at least get some credit. You can't become perhaps the greatest player of all-time without coaching, and it certainly wasn't Tony Dungy that was coaching Manning up. I'd bet just about anything he was along for the ride.. If the offense gets better it will be because a) Sanchez improves in year 3 (as he should) or Plaxico become a freak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Tom Moore = Offensive game changer. Lawlz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Tom Moore = Offensive game changer. Lawlz. Don't you know? Offensive coordinators get absolutely all of the credit for all success, and the players all blame for failure. That's the most accurate way to evaluate the situation. Everyone knows that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Don't you know? Offensive coordinators get absolutely all of the credit for all success, and the players all blame for failure. That's the most accurate way to evaluate the situation. Everyone knows that. That's how it works? Well, in Tom Moore's case...yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I guess we'll see, but I think it's wrong to dismiss Moore outright. Manning had basically been his own offensive coordinator for years, but Moore should at least get some credit. You can't become perhaps the greatest player of all-time without coaching, and it certainly wasn't Tony Dungy that was coaching Manning up. I never said the guy sucked, just that he's no savior. Glad to have him giving Schottie the benefit of his knowledge, but I don't expect any major differences in the Jets offense as a result. And he's not coming out of retirement. He's going to enjoy watching film in his S. Carolina home and submitting his reports. He can do that for the rest of his life if he's interested, as far as I'm concerned. It won't hurt. But this is not the equivalent of getting Bill Walsh to proof read game plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 http://www.newyorkjets.com/photos-and-videos/videos/Tom-Moore-Helping-the-Jets-Fly/e0e1ebda-5966-4702-85d5-3f4d258582a4 Watch this two minute video from yesterday and the answer will become clear as to why he's no longer an OC and is perfectly suited just where the Jets have him-he's having speech problems, almost seems like the onset of Parkinson's to this untrained eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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