Is Tannenbaum the Problem??

[RSJ]

is there really a difference between the first team offense and the second team offense? Holmes is hurt either way.

Tebow looks like sh*t imo. He's thrown the one read curl routes and slant routes. Awesome. If you cant make those throws you cant play in the ACC.

Still an improvement over throwing nothing but checkdowns or drag routes for pick 6's. You are right though, there is not much difference, except Wayne Hunter protecting Tebow's blindside. lol

[RutgersJetFan]

I have no point.

Except that the defense could get better. Clearly fans (and perhaps the Jets FO and coaches) feel the defense needs to surrender 3-7 points instead of 10 points and then we could again win in spite of our QB situation.

TEBOW BITCH.

[JohnnyHector]

I realize you are being sarcastic, but those teams have all done a lot on offense to try and surround their QB's with talent.

Here's the pedigree of the top-5 receivers in 2011 on each of the following teams:

Packers - two # 2's (Nelson/Jennings), two 3's (Finley, J. Jones), and a #7 (Driver)

Saints - a #1 (Meachem), a #3 (Graham), a #4 (Sproles, signed as a FA for 4/$14m), a #7 (Colston), and a UDFA (Moore - a Smash favorite)

Pats - three #2's (Gronkowski and the washed-up Branch and Ochocinco), a #4 (Hernandez) and a UDFA (Welker, traded for on the cheap)

Giants - a #1 (Nicks), a #3 (Manningham), a #7 (Bradshaw) and two UDFA's (Cruz and Ballard)

Jets - four #1's (Keller, an expensive Holmes, though washed-up LT and Burress) and a #5 (Kerley)

The only other team than the Jets that spent a top-3 pick on a WR/RB/TE this year was the Giants (Wilson/Randle).

Now, just because the results haven't been nearly as successful, don't tell me that these other top teams are doing more to acquire skill position talent than the Jets. I'm not laying it all on Sanchez, because the talent evaluators shoulder some of it as well, but at the same time, Santonio Holmes averaging career-lows in most categories (including 3.5 YPC less than he did in Pittsburgh) should be an indication that QB play is a big factor.

[RSJ]

Btw, did anyone else notice Mark making sure his pregame routine was awesome? He looked great staring down the camera through the tunnel and looking like he was getting pumped on the sideline.

The only problem is he went out into the huddle before he realized he forgot his wristband with the plays on it. lol

[HessStation]

Tannenbaum is a freakin capologist. He is NOT an NFL GM and he never will be. The guy who built the core of this football team was Eric Mangini . He may not have been a good coach but he certainly understood how to build a team and bring in smart players who had good attitudes, were multi talented, and could contribute in many areas. Look at the crop of players this current FO has brought in. Have you heard some of these guys talk in interviews ? They sound like a bunch of Idiots. Ths team has lost its identity in 3 short years and Tanny should not take all that blame, the scouts, the coachs, and the owner, all play a part.

None of us really know what goes on behind closed doors but you have to be an idiot to think Woody Johnson did not have a say in the Tebow Trade. You add up Tebow and Wayne Hunter and Vlad Ducasse and you easily have the money to sign Eric Winston and solidify the offensive line.. Rex claims to be Ground and Pound. All we have seen is them get Pounded.

Most teams that want to pass the football go out and get WR's and solidify their O-Lines focus on pass protection and scoring points. The Jets on the other hand claim to be a running team yet have garbage in the backfield and an OL that is a shell of its former self after losing two key contributors. D-Brick no matter how you slice it is over rated and making a huge salary but in is defense he basicly plays next to a JAG. Either way double digit sacks is inexcusable and we had it from both the Right and Left Tackles last year yet we expect a QB whos trying to break out to be able to deal with that ?

With all these needs and holes The Jets decide to Draft a Defensive Lineman who very well may be a damn good player but most people felt in a 3-4 system the Jets were just fine depth wise on the DL. So why did we use our first pick on defense when we always seem to play well on defense and a lot of the blame as to why they get winded in the 4th quarter of games was all the 3 and outs by the offense ? Why not Draft a Decastro and Sign Winston like I explained in the first paragraph and solidify what you claim to be your freakin teams Identity ??

Some peole here may not agree with the Ground and Pound philosophy, but weather you do or you dont, its what our coach wants to do so why on earth have we ignored the line and the RB's on this football team ? We lost LT last year, he was meh and at the end of his career but do any of you think we have a back capable of replacing him as a receiver out of the back field ? Can any of our RB's like Joe ****ing McKnight pick up blitzing LB's and Safties ? Powell certainly has shown he cant as well as McKnight so WTF ? Greene has potential to be a decent back but hes always dealing with nagging injuries.

How did the Jets deal with the WR problem ? They signed a player whos always hurt and drafted a player in Hill who could very well be a crap shoot. That being said, Im ok with Hill, I think he can be the real deal but what happens after that ? Holmes needs someone who can open things up on the other side of the field, if that does not happen he will be shut down just like last year.

Are all these issues the sign of a good GM ? Is Rex Ryan and offensive Idiot ? Is the Owner getting too involved and thats the reason he didnt go after a strong minded GM like Casserly ? These are the questions we must ask this team but we will never get the real answer. I think this team is heading for failure and by failure I mean they wont make the playoffs and it will get worse every comming year. This team has been turned into a circus, the Same type of circus Bill Parcells rescued us from in the mid 90's . Get ready the worst is yet to come.

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[Sperm Edwards]

so you would have cut Eli Manning after year three right ? because he at least had decent talent around him you know the same talent that Kurt Warner Played terrible under as well. Funny he went to The cardnals and lit it up again or was that just our imagination

Eli Manning couldn't and didn't win a superbowl. It is impossible.

• Plaxico: new WR brought in. No chemistry. Was a cancer in Pittsburgh whose main attributes were dropping passes and causing headaches.
  
• Toomer: old and slow
  
• Barber: mega-talented RB lost and replaced with a 7th round nobody rookie and a 7th round nobody from the Jets PS.
  
• Shockey: locker room cancer. But at least he was talented. Then he got injured and was unavailable for the playoffs.
  
• OL consisted of a grossly overpaid RT free agent (overpaying for someone else's draft pick), a 2nd round pick guard, a 5th round pick LT and undrafted LG and center.
  
• Rookie Steve Smith caught 8 passes in the regular season. Rookie TE Kevin Boss caught 9. Rookie RB Bradshaw was just a kick returner with 6 garbage-time carries until like Christmas.
  
• Used a 4th round on a long snapper that year also.
  
• They made 1 pick on offense in 2006 (Siorice Moss, round 2) and 1 pick on offense in 2005 (Brandon Jacobs, round 4).
  

Plus Eli had a defense that was giving up 3 TD's per game.

Stupid Giants don't know what they're doing and didn't surround poor Eli with the proper talent or good situation in general. That's why he was a failure and has no superbowl rings.

Oops.

[Smashmouth]

Here's the pedigree of the top-5 receivers in 2011 on each of the following teams:

Packers - two # 2's (Nelson/Jennings), two 3's (Finley, J. Jones), and a #7 (Driver)

Saints - a #1 (Meachem), a #3 (Graham), a #4 (Sproles, signed as a FA for 4/$14m), a #7 (Colston), and a UDFA (Moore - a Smash favorite)

Pats - three #2's (Gronkowski and the washed-up Branch and Ochocinco), a #4 (Hernandez) and a UDFA (Welker, traded for on the cheap)

Giants - a #1 (Nicks), a #3 (Manningham), a #7 (Bradshaw) and two UDFA's (Cruz and Ballard)

Jets - four #1's (Keller, an expensive Holmes, though washed-up LT and Burress) and a #5 (Kerley)

The only other team than the Jets that spent a top-3 pick on a WR/RB/TE this year was the Giants (Wilson/Randle).

Now, just because the results haven't been nearly as successful, don't tell me that these other top teams are doing more to acquire skill position talent than the Jets. I'm not laying it all on Sanchez, because the talent evaluators shoulder some of it as well, but at the same time, Santonio Holmes averaging career-lows in most categories (including 3.5 YPC less than he did in Pittsburgh) should be an indication that QB play is a big factor.

If they are playing in the NFL now and producing why quote Draft Slots ?? They are what they are. If Calvin Johnson was an undrafted free agent would it freakin matter ? If you get lucky with some picks you get lucky I would be willing to bet if some of those picks didnt pan out those teams would have gone out and got what they needed some way some how and it would not have consisted of signing cast offs and thugs and people who carry loaded guns into clubs and shoot themselves then get signed out of jail at the age of 34 .

[JohnnyHector]

Your NFL is Qb and QB only when its still defenses that win SB's the Giants won the SB once again because their Defense got crazy hot at the right time. But hey its all about the QB with you one sided guys who keep throwing out meaningless stats without addressing the entire side of the ball

You're right, Eli Manning had nothing to do with the Giants winning two Super Bowls. You win.

I will say that in the current NFL, the offense is all about QB play. You can find all of the diamond-in-the-rough UDFA studs like Lance Moore, but if you have a sh*tbag trying to get him the ball, he'll be back to bagging groceries in no time.

[Matt39]

Here's the pedigree of the top-5 receivers in 2011 on each of the following teams:

Packers - two # 2's (Nelson/Jennings), two 3's (Finley, J. Jones), and a #7 (Driver)

Saints - a #1 (Meachem), a #3 (Graham), a #4 (Sproles, signed as a FA for 4/$14m), a #7 (Colston), and a UDFA (Moore - a Smash favorite)

Pats - three #2's (Gronkowski and the washed-up Branch and Ochocinco), a #4 (Hernandez) and a UDFA (Welker, traded for on the cheap)

Giants - a #1 (Nicks), a #3 (Manningham), a #7 (Bradshaw) and two UDFA's (Cruz and Ballard)

Jets - four #1's (Keller, an expensive Holmes, though washed-up LT and Burress) and a #5 (Kerley)

The only other team than the Jets that spent a top-3 pick on a WR/RB/TE this year was the Giants (Wilson/Randle).

Now, just because the results haven't been nearly as successful, don't tell me that these other top teams are doing more to acquire skill position talent than the Jets.

I'm not laying it all on Sanchez, because the talent evaluators shoulder some of it as well, but at the same time, Santonio Holmes averaging career-lows in most categories (including 3.5 YPC less than he did in Pittsburgh) should be an indication that QB play is a big factor.

The Pakcers have like 4 tight ends that all play. Nelson, Jennings, Jones were all high picks. Cobb is pretty explosive and can return kicks.

Saints have a pretty good offensive line. Drfated Ingram last year, brought in a dynamic player in Sproles. Drafted Graham and hit. Big. Something the Jets never do...unless you think Keller has Graham like potential.

Pats- Hernandez(who dropped because of pot) Gronk, brought in Lloyd. Ridley and Vereen were both high picks. They signed like 9 tight ends this offseason

Who have the Jets brought in? Plax for headlines? Chaz Schillens? Stephen Hill who's a total project?

Its a combo of terrible scouting and Rex becominng so obssessed with the defense that the offense ahs gotten this bad.

You watch the Colts last night and its like watching a different sport. they have like four rookies playing at their skill positions.

[JohnnyHector]

If they are playing in the NFL now and producing why quote Draft Slots ?? They are what they are. If Calvin Johnson was an undrafted free agent would it freakin matter ? If you get lucky with some picks you get lucky I would be willing to bet if some of those picks didnt pan out those teams would have gone out and got what they needed some way some how and it would not have consisted of signing cast offs and thugs and people who carry loaded guns into clubs and shoot themselves then get signed out of jail at the age of 34 .

Because draft slots are an indication of one's measurable skillset that eliminates the play of their NFL QB as a factor. Despite what you might think, a UDFA with a bad QB does not become a star in this league. Guys like Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald can excel with poor QB play, because they can catch anything thrown remotely near them and that's why they were top-3 picks in the first place. The late-round picks/UDFA's that panned out did so because their QB's can deliver them the ball in the necessary windows.

If the Jets had drafted Hofstra product Marques Colston in 2006, there's a good chance he's catching passes from Rohan Davey in the Arena League now.

[Smashmouth]

You're right, Eli Manning had nothing to do with the Giants winning two Super Bowls. You win.

I will say that in the current NFL, the offense is all about QB play. You can find all of the diamond-in-the-rough UDFA studs like Lance Moore, but if you have a sh*tbag trying to get him the ball, he'll be back to bagging groceries in no time.

Eli played good in the playoffs both times but make no mistake if that defense didnt get their heads out of their asses 2 times and turn into beasts that disrupted every QB they went up agaist they never even sniff those 2 SB's

I dont disagree that some QB's just dont have what it takes. I just dont feel Sanchez is that bad. I have a real problem with the talent on this offense. Does that mean Im happy with Sanchez dumb mistakes ? No but even with all those mistakes he still accounted for 32 TD's whish should tell you he can get the job done if he stops the turnovers. Why has it not been mentioned he played the last 5 games Last year with a shoulder injury that possibly needed surgery ?? Everyone seemed to make that excuse for Brett Favre.... When Sanchez supposedly got hurt he had accounted for 25 total TD's and 11 Ints the sh*t didnt hit the fan until the last 4 or 5 games. Why is no one making that excuse ?

[Matt39]

If the Jets had drafted Hofstra product Marques Colston in 2006, there's a good chance he's catching passes from Rohan Davey in the Arena League now.

See this I cant buy at all.

Garcon got another gig. And got paid. And he isnt even as good as Colston.

[Smashmouth]

Because draft slots are an indication of one's measurable skillset that eliminates the play of their NFL QB as a factor. Despite what you might think, a UDFA with a bad QB does not become a star in this league. Guys like Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald can excel with poor QB play, because they can catch anything thrown remotely near them and that's why they were top-3 picks in the first place. The late-round picks/UDFA's that panned out did so because their QB's can deliver them the ball in the necessary windows.

If the Jets had drafted Hofstra product Marques Colston in 2006, there's a good chance he's catching passes from Rohan Davey in the Arena League now.

I agree with part of what you say here but remember wayne Chrebet was an UDFA with a sh*tty QB and made the team but his game went stellar when Vinny and Key turned up the talent. Adding Curtis Martin didnt hurt much either.

[Sperm Edwards]

Eli played good in the playoffs both times but make no mistake if that defense didnt get their heads out of their asses 2 times and turn into beasts that disrupted every QB they went up agaist they never even sniff those 2 SB's

I dont disagree that some QB's just dont have what it takes. I just dont feel Sanchez is that bad. I have a real problem with the talent on this offense. Does that mean Im happy with Sanchez dumb mistakes ? No but even with all those mistakes he still accounted for 32 TD's whish should tell you he can get the job done if he stops the turnovers. Why has it not been mentioned he played the last 5 games Last year with a shoulder injury that possibly needed surgery ?? Everyone seemed to make that excuse for Brett Favre.... When Sanchez supposedly got hurt he had accounted for 25 total TD's and 11 Ints the sh*t didnt hit the fan until the last 4 or 5 games. Why is no one making that excuse ?

Sanchez "possibly" needing shoulder surgery, and then in the end finding out he didn't need shoulder surgery is now the same as Favre's shoulder that actually required shoulder surgery?

Plus, douchebag that Favre is, Sanchez hasn't earned 1/10 the benefit of the doubt that Favre gets. Favre could improvise when the protection broke down and was one of the game's top passers for over a decade. He's had more great seasons than Sanchez has had great games. And he probably always "possibly" needed surgery on some part of his body starting for that many years and was even throwing touchdowns with a broken thumb on his throwing hand.

Brett Favre, lol.

[Smashmouth]

Sanchez "possibly" needing shoulder surgery, and then in the end finding out he didn't need shoulder surgery is now the same as Favre's shoulder that actually required shoulder surgery?

Plus, douchebag that Favre is, Sanchez hasn't earned 1/10 the benefit of the doubt that Favre gets. Favre could improvise when the protection broke down and was one of the game's top passers for over a decade. He's had more great seasons than Sanchez has had great games. And he probably always "possibly" needed surgery on some part of his body starting for that many years and was even throwing touchdowns with a broken thumb on his throwing hand.

Brett Favre, lol.

Did Favre have Surgery ?

edit : just read he had it scoped

[JohnnyHector]

The Pakcers have like 4 tight ends that all play. Nelson, Jennings, Jones were all high picks. Cobb is pretty explosive and can return kicks.

Saints have a pretty good offensive line. Drfated Ingram last year, brought in a dynamic player in Sproles. Drafted Graham and hit. Big. Something the Jets never do...unless you think Keller has Graham like potential.

Pats- Hernandez(who dropped because of pot) Gronk, brought in Lloyd. Ridley and Vereen were both high picks. They signed like 9 tight ends this offseason

Who have the Jets brought in? Plax for headlines? Chaz Schillens? Stephen Hill who's a total project?

Its a combo of terrible scouting and Rex becominng so obssessed with the defense that the offense ahs gotten this bad.

Put Sanchez on any of those offenses this season and do you think he's better than a league-average QB?

How about Rodgers or Brees throwing to Holmes, Keller, and Hill? Though I don't think he's as talented as Graham, do you doubt that Keller would be a top-5 TE on the Saints?

[T0mShane]

Too busy to read the whole thread. Have we concluded that Tannenbaum sucks yet, or do we just have to wait for him to be fired before his defenders say, "oh"?

[Smashmouth]

Sanchez "possibly" needing shoulder surgery, and then in the end finding out he didn't need shoulder surgery is now the same as Favre's shoulder that actually required shoulder surgery?

Plus, douchebag that Favre is, Sanchez hasn't earned 1/10 the benefit of the doubt that Favre gets. Favre could improvise when the protection broke down and was one of the game's top passers for over a decade. He's had more great seasons than Sanchez has had great games. And he probably always "possibly" needed surgery on some part of his body starting for that many years and was even throwing touchdowns with a broken thumb on his throwing hand.

Brett Favre, lol.

how do you claim benifit of the doubt when dealing with injury ? Your either injured or your not. If it effected both players play then it is what it is. but up to that point both players were having similar years

[Smashmouth]

Too busy to read the whole thread. Have we concluded that Tannenbaum sucks yet, or do we just have to wait for him to be fired before his defenders say, "oh"?

He sucks but the thread has a life of its own

[Matt39]

Put Sanchez on any of those offenses this season and do you think he's better than a league-average QB?

How about Rodgers or Brees throwing to Holmes, Keller, and Hill? Though I don't think he's as talented as Graham, do you doubt that Keller would be a top-5 TE on the Saints?

Nah, Keller is average on every team in the league. He isnt very good.

Put Sanchez in a controlled environment like the Super Dome, with that line and running game...and guys he can dump the ball too..he's certainly serviceable.

As far as Rodgers, sure...he'd be awesome here regardless. There are sitll holes everywhere though. We dont even have a tight end on the roster that can block. We're currently relying on a converted UDFA WR who is coming off an achilles injury to be that guy. The offense is scary bad.

Brees and Brady...I dont think they'd be nearly as good here as they are in New England and New Orleans.

[JohnnyHector]

Garcon got another gig. And got paid. And he isnt even as good as Colston.

He also had 700+ yards receiving for 2 years playing w/ Peyton Manning as no better than the 3rd option. He might not even have been on the Colts by last season if he didn't get to play with Manning.

[Stonehands]

I would assume he sucks since the talent level on our roster is below average overall and absolutely awful in a lot of areas.

[Matt39]

He also had 700+ yards receiving for 2 years playing w/ Peyton Manning as no better than the 3rd option. He might not even have been on the Colts by last season if he didn't get to play with Manning.

Im saying these guys who come out of nowhere pass guys on the depth chart with better pedigrees. Certainly someone is recognizing they can play. Cruz would have been scooped up if the Jets had cut him. He can play. Barden cant...it is what it is kinda. Who was throwing Cruz the ball that preseason game against the Jets? It definitely wasnt Eli. Obviously someone would have seen that and grabbed him.

If all these guys like Coltson and Garcon were completely dependent on the QB...the Saints, Packers and Giants would never draft skill position players.

[Sperm Edwards]

how do you claim benifit of the doubt when dealing with injury ? Your either injured or your not. If it effected both players play then it is what it is. but up to that point both players were having similar years

Because Favre has often been injured and played well anyway. And while he may have been texting his junk to young girls I never saw him sitting (lounging) alone and sulking on the sideline, away from his team, when things weren't going well.

Plus as much as Favre's injury hurt the team, Jenkins got hurt at a similar time. It was a major blow when we were running Mangini's 3-man front.

[JohnnyHector]

Im saying these guys who come out of nowhere pass guys on the depth chart with better pedigrees. Certainly someone is recognizing they can play. Cruz would have been scooped up if the Jets had cut him. He can play. Barden cant...it is what it is kinda. Who was throwing Cruz the ball that preseason game against the Jets? It definitely wasnt Eli. Obviously someone would have seen that and grabbed him.

I'm not saying all UDFA's/late-round picks are created equal... obviously Cruz is a more talented player than Barden. Did anyone seriously think that Victor Cruz was a year away from a 1500 yard season when he caught 3 TD passes from Jim Sorgi/Rhett Bhomar against the Jets 2nd/3rd teamers? How about when Clowney had 4/164 and 2 70+ yard TD's in the '08 preseason? Sure, teams will give these guys a shot if they get cut, but they're starting near the bottom of the depth chart and need the right circumstances to succeed.

If all these guys like Coltson and Garcon were completely dependent on the QB...the Saints, Packers and Giants would never draft skill position players.

I never said they were completely dependent on the QB... they're guys that got a chance to be noticed by playing for elite QB's that elevate their play. If you're a WR who's a vertical threat and your QB can't get out of his own way, let alone get the ball to you downfield, then it's not going to be easy to make a name for yourself.

Those teams continue to draft skill position players so that when all of the guys that their QB's have been able to have success with are looking for a payday, they can choose to move on and not be up sh*t's creek. Then, the Jets go out and overpay said guys because they don't have success with their own draft picks and they don't live up to their huge contracts because the Jets QB situation is abysmal.

[KSJets]

Thats a great point. I would like to see what Tebow could do with the first team offense. I thought that despite the OL play, Sanchez has looked no different than last year or even his first two years. Maybe you are right and that will make a difference in how the whole offense plays. Tebow has outplayed Sanchez so far imho, with far inferior talent to work with.

Yes, that bounce pass to Hill who was wide open in the end zone was awesome. He's working with inferior talent, but he's also playing against inferior talent. It's why Brett Ratliff isn't the QB of the Jets because he kept playing against guys who are bagging groceries now.

[JohnnyHector]

Nah, Keller is average on every team in the league. He isnt very good.

Top-5 may have been a reach, but I'm confident that from a receiving standpoint, he's a top-10 TE in an offense like NO.

Put Sanchez in a controlled environment like the Super Dome, with that line and running game...and guys he can dump the ball too..he's certainly serviceable.

Brees faced more pressured dropbacks than Sanchez last season, yet in those situations, managed to get sacked considerably less (13.8% vs. Sanchez's 23.8%) while completing passes at a far higher rate (58.7 vs. 36.4). The Saints thrive throwing the ball in the flat, but do you think those passing lanes are open when the defense doesn't have to respect the deep ball that Sanchez can't/doesn't throw?

Brees and Brady...I dont think they'd be nearly as good here as they are in New England and New Orleans.

I'm not arguing that they'd be as good, but that the Jets skill position players would look immensely better playing with a real QB and they'd be a legit SB contender.

[Matt39]

Top-5 may have been a reach, but I'm confident that from a receiving standpoint, he's a top-10 TE in an offense like NO.

Brees faced more pressured dropbacks than Sanchez last season, yet in those situations, managed to get sacked considerably less (13.8% vs. Sanchez's 23.8%) while completing passes at a far higher rate (58.7 vs. 36.4). The Saints thrive throwing the ball in the flat, but do you think those passing lanes are open when the defense doesn't have to respect the deep ball that Sanchez can't/doesn't throw?

Arguing Sanchez vs Brees is never going to look fair though either. If Sanchez were on the Saints with the same roster they have now he wouldnt be dropping back 650 times or however many times Brees did last year. They'd be pounding the rock with Thomas, Ivory, Ingram...running screens with Sproles and going playaction over the top to Graham and Meachem/Henderson. Something Sanchez did have some success with when he had a solid running game and Braylon in 2009/10.

The Jets plan last year was never to have Sanchez chuck the ball around 550 times. They just didnt plan on Hunter being that bad or account for how good Woody actually was in the run blocking game. If the Jets last year could continue to run the ball like the two years prior they would have.

The Saints would adjust the way they play offense if they had Sanchez behind center. Brees is one of the best QB's of all time.

[JohnnyHector]

The Saints would adjust the way they play offense if they had Sanchez behind center. Brees is one of the best QB's of all time.

Which was exactly my point in quoting someone who constantly complains that the woes of the Jets offense can be attributed to their lack of talent at the skill positions and cites New Orleans as an example of a team with a plethora of talent there, as if their success isn't in large part due to having Brees instead of Sanchez.

[THE ILK]

Too busy to read the whole thread. Have we concluded that Tannenbaum sucks yet, or do we just have to wait for him to be fired before his defenders say, "oh"?

Too busy?

Writting Francesa's Jets monolog again this year?

[slats]

Maybe for you.

It may be more evidence that Tannenbaum is, indeed, the problem, but it's clear that as far as the Jets are concerned, the jury is still out on whether the decision to draft Sanchez was a good one or not.

[Matt39]

Which was exactly my point in quoting someone who constantly complains that the woes of the Jets offense can be attributed to their lack of talent at the skill positions and cites New Orleans as an example of a team with a plethora of talent there, as if their success isn't in large part due to having Brees instead of Sanchez.

Of course it is. But the Saints offense wouldn't be epically bad if Sanchez were behind center like the current Jets one is.

[JohnnyHector]

Of course it is. But the Saints offense wouldn't be epically bad if Sanchez were behind center like the current Jets one is.

Probably not, but it wouldn't be good either and the Saints most likely do not play January football with him behind center.

[ZachEY]

so you would have cut Eli Manning after year three right ? because he at least had decent talent around him you know the same talent that Kurt Warner Played terrible under as well. Funny he went to The cardnals and lit it up again or was that just our imagination

I don't think Eli ever threw two interceptions to the same defensive tackle in one game.

[Matt39]

I don't think Eli ever threw two interceptions to the same defensive tackle in one game.

Eli's Darren Sharper game is up there for worst play of a Super Bowl winning QB though.