'Ask Bitonti': JetNations resident Draft Guru

[Stonehands]

Hey Bit,

 

Are there any Bowling Balls of Butcher's Knives in this draft?

[JohnnyHector]

Ted Ginn is kind of a head case. And was taller (so theoretically more than a returner). Austin seems like a football player through and through. Like i said 9 (or 12 or 13) might be a little reachy, but not by much. Maybe 5-10 pick reach at that point. I think Austin will have a more stable career path than ginn. This was all pre-Mike Wallace signing so obviously it's not as bad a need and Fins probably go cornerback. 

 

How does Austin's family compare to Ginn's though?  You have to evaluate them as a whole.

[jgb]

I'm probably 37% body fat.

Chop off your head and it plummets to <10%

[flgreen]

Thought I would bump this thread back up.   Even though Bit isn’t much of a Revisolagist  (JK)  he is a pretty good draft guy.

[JayKwaz]

I am big on drafting Tyler Bray and Trevardo Williams. whats your thoughts on them?

[bitonti]

I am big on drafting Tyler Bray and Trevardo Williams. whats your thoughts on them?

 

 

Travardo Williams I have as a rd4/5. Really productive pass rusher, ran a 4.57 but is somewhat of a tweener. Not a natural cover guy either, all of his experience is at DE. would be a project in Rex's D. UConn by the way has several serious athletes in this draft. (Sio Moore, Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Dwayne Gratz)

 

Tyler Bray is a real hit or miss guy. He's got the arm strength that  any traditional drop back QB needs and someone will see that and try to coach him up. He's got a rifle. But he is wildly inconsistent. and it's not like he had no help. Cordarelle Paterson is a high 1, Justin Hunter is a cusp 1/2. He had targets in the SEC but didn't hit them often enough.  It's kinda like bad-Brett Favre or Jay Cutler. When he's good no problem but mental mistakes abound. Gunslinger that will stare down targets, convince himself they are open, and throw it anyway. 

[SouthernJet]

Purely hypothetical Bit, but IF you had gun to your head as Jets GM and HAD to draft QB in this years draft who would be? In other words, lower round and wait for next year or pick a kid in a higher round? 

[SenorGato]

Bit, say the Jets aren't drafting a pass rusher 9. Say they don't like anyone there. Who are some some guys in round 2-4 that have the potential to turn into a Woodley or Dumervil or Shaun Philips or even a younger Calvin Pace?

[bitonti]

Purely hypothetical Bit, but IF you had gun to your head as Jets GM and HAD to draft QB in this years draft who would be? In other words, lower round and wait for next year or pick a kid in a higher round? 

 

 

if i _had_ to draft a QB i'd wait until rd 3 and try to target Tyler Wilson. I don't think he's amazing or anything but he's a competent player and if you made me pick one that would probably the guy.  He's got experience in a pro offense, he was often out gunned at Arkansas and he is tough (literally, getting his friggin butt kicked in the SEC). 

[SouthernJet]

if i _had_ to draft a QB i'd wait until rd 3 and try to target Tyler Wilson. I don't think he's amazing or anything but he's a competent player and if you made me pick one that would probably the guy.  He's got experience in a pro offense, he was often out gunned at Arkansas and he is tough (literally, getting his friggin butt kicked in the SEC). 

OK, thanks Bit. I agree that I wouldnt go high in 2013 also. 

I may go lower and grab Sean Renfree, but I like your choice also

[bitonti]

Bit, say the Jets aren't drafting a pass rusher 9. Say they don't like anyone there. Who are some some guys in round 2-4 that have the potential to turn into a Woodley or Dumervil or Shaun Philips or even a younger Calvin Pace?

 

 

Corey Lemonier from Auburn is my favorite but he's hardly a sleeper. Probably a late 1 at this point. Maybe he's there at the 2.9 pick. 

 

rd 2-4 are gonna be names we already know: Demontre Moore, Tank Carridine, Alex Okafor, Brandon Jenkins, Sam Montgomery. Half of those guys are strictly 4-3 guys and we know alot about them... 

 

Devin Taylor (6'7" 262, 4.72) is a name to watch very carefully. I thought this guy was purely a 4-3 DE based on height but he was asked to cover alot in SC. He had a great postseason and there's alot of buzz about this guy. He'd be my non obvious rd 2-4 target for the Jets.

 

also.. here's some rd5/6 sleeper types: 

 

Ty Powell, Harding (6'2" 249, 4.64) (division 2, also played offense)

David Bass, Missouri-Western State (6'4" 262, 4.83) (35 career sacks)

 

Michael Buchanan, Illinois (6'5", 255, 4.78) (11 career sacks)

[SenorGato]

What of Quanterus Smith? 23 career sacks in three years, ACL injury this year, and most known for his three sack game against Alabama.

[bitonti]

What of Quanterus Smith? 23 career sacks in three years, ACL injury this year, and most known for his three sack game against Alabama.

 

 

yeah that was a great name in the fall but ACL tear in late november puts him as a ? for start of 2013. Pure pass rush guy, not really gonna cover much. I guess he'd be in the 2-4 range if he could run but now, who knows.

 

Jamie Collins southern miss is another name I keep forgeting but he's got top 100 instant starter written all over him. Him and Taylor i guess would be my choice for rd 2-4 sleepers. 

[SenorGato]

Bit, what's On the covering emphasis with the OLBs?

[bitonti]

Bit, what's On the covering emphasis with the OLBs?

 

Don't want another maybin do we? part of it is how comfortable is the player standing up? It's something to consider. 

[SenorGato]

Don't want another maybin do we? part of it is how comfortable is the player standing up? It's something to consider.

Maybin's problem wasn't his ability to cover.

[unbanmadmike1]

bitonti, on 18 Mar 2013 - 18:32, said:

Don't want another maybin do we? part of it is how comfortable is the player standing up? It's something to consider.

Aldon Smith and DeMarcus Ware can't cover for sh*t. I think that skill is overrated for OLB's.

[faba]

Question becomes do you want a one dimensional player- rush the passer?

[Larz]

if you're a cave man like me, and like to see maulers in the first round, who do you like for the jets ?

[bitonti]

if you're a cave man like me, and like to see maulers in the first round, who do you like for the jets ?

 

 

star lotulelei is a beast. His heart could give out sure but in the meantime he is the defensive mauler. Chance Warmack is a large meat eater as well.  say they trade Revis and get 9/13 and use em both, very low chance of it happening but if it did,  it would be like 700 pounds of football player showing up in Florham park. 

[gsnts725]

Bit I've been seeing people comparing Barkevious Mingo to Aaron Maybin. Are these comparisons fair?

[SenorGato]

If the Jets traded Revis for the 13th pick++, what is your two player combo at 9 and 13? Is 13 going to bring bad luck upon the franchise? 

[bitonti]

Bit I've been seeing people comparing Barkevious Mingo to Aaron Maybin. Are these comparisons fair?

 

I had to do some research for this question, i'll admit. For example Maybin actually had 16 career sacks in college, more than Mingo's 13 

 

Maybin

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2008&org=539&player=59

 

Mingo

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2012&org=365&player=49

 

But despite that I'm gonna say that Mingo is a better prospect. Way better. 

 

Even tho both players were somewhat light in school and both have  elite measurables, Mingo is better. For why, let's go down memory lane.

 

how many people remember, maybin was 249 at Indy and ran a 4.8 

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/aaron-maybin?id=80433

 

but then got in serious shape ran a 4.59 at mar 20 pro day (at 3 pounds heavier)

 

http://forum.walterfootball.com/showthread.php?8767-DE-Aaron-Maybin-tears-apart-pro-day

 

meanwhile Mingo ran a legit 4.58 at Indy in late feb. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/barkevious-mingo?id=2540140

 

this might seem arbitrary but Mingo was better prepared and didn't need 4 weeks to get his sh*t together. He comes from a better conference, and supposedly really impressed people with his attitude. 

[#27TheDominator]

Cooler name too.

[JADEDGREEN]

What about this Mavin guy I keep hearing about?

 

[unbanmadmike1]

bitonti, on 19 Mar 2013 - 09:29, said:

I had to do some research for this question, i'll admit. For example Maybin actually had 16 career sacks in college, more than Mingo's 13

Maybin

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2008&amp;org=539&amp;player=59

Mingo

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2012&amp;org=365&amp;player=49

But despite that I'm gonna say that Mingo is a better prospect. Way better.

Even tho both players were somewhat light in school and both have elite measurables, Mingo is better. For why, let's go down memory lane.

how many people remember, maybin was 249 at Indy and ran a 4.8

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/aaron-maybin?id=80433

but then got in serious shape ran a 4.59 at mar 20 pro day (at 3 pounds heavier)

http://forum.walterfootball.com/showthread.php?8767-DE-Aaron-Maybin-tears-apart-pro-day

meanwhile Mingo ran a legit 4.58 at Indy in late feb.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/barkevious-mingo?id=2540140

this might seem arbitrary but Mingo was better prepared and didn't need 4 weeks to get his sh*t together. He comes from a better conference, and supposedly really impressed people with his attitude.

I don't think Mingo is going to be a bust like Maybin but he's just a one dimensional player and I'm not sure he's going to be that awesome at that one thing to make him worth taking with a top 10 pick, especially in the middle of the rebuild job where the Jets need guys who are going to come in and be solid right away in 2013.

[HessStation]

I had to do some research for this question, i'll admit. For example Maybin actually had 16 career sacks in college, more than Mingo's 13

Maybin

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2008&org=539&player=59

Mingo

http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2012&org=365&player=49

But despite that I'm gonna say that Mingo is a better prospect. Way better.

Even tho both players were somewhat light in school and both have elite measurables, Mingo is better. For why, let's go down memory lane.

how many people remember, maybin was 249 at Indy and ran a 4.8

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/aaron-maybin?id=80433

but then got in serious shape ran a 4.59 at mar 20 pro day (at 3 pounds heavier)

http://forum.walterfootball.com/showthread.php?8767-DE-Aaron-Maybin-tears-apart-pro-day

meanwhile Mingo ran a legit 4.58 at Indy in late feb.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/barkevious-mingo?id=2540140

this might seem arbitrary but Mingo was better prepared and didn't need 4 weeks to get his sh*t together. He comes from a better conference, and supposedly really impressed people with his attitude.

Plus, the whole, he's much better vs. the run than Maybin ever was in college, thing. When does anyone ever compare two different prospects strictly on size alone, yet for some reason some Jets fans have Maybin paranoia with Mingo.

[bitonti]

If the Jets traded Revis for the 13th pick++, what is your two player combo at 9 and 13? Is 13 going to bring bad luck upon the franchise? 

 

Something like best pass rusher at 9 (Mingo, Jordan, Jones, Ansah) and best guard at 13 (Chance or Cooper).

 

Chance being a natural left guard and no Slauson resigned that could be a really nice use of the pick (sorry i know you are big cooper fans, I see Chance as a better prospect and Cooper more as a center). 

 

WR is also a possibility at either spot depending who falls (Cordarelle, Tavon, Keenan). 

[#27TheDominator]

Plus, the whole, he's much better vs. the run than Maybin ever was in college, thing. When does anyone ever compare two different prospects strictly on size alone, yet for some reason some Jets fans have Maybin paranoia with Mingo.

 

We can't draft a DE and convert them to OLB.  We can't draft an undersized/4-3 sized OLB.  We can't draft a QB without a cannon, prototypical height and several season worth of top flight D1 experience.  We can't draft an RB or TE.  I guess we can't draft a corner either because if we do they will either suck or have an outrageous sense of their own value. 

[unbanmadmike1]

Something like best pass rusher at 9 (Mingo, Jordan, Jones, Ansah) and best guard at 13 (Chance or Cooper).

Chance being a natural left guard and no Slauson resigned that could be a really nice use of the pick (sorry i know you are big cooper fans, I see Chance as a better prospect and Cooper more as a center).

WR is also a possibility at either spot depending who falls (Cordarelle, Tavon, Keenan).

i would not take any WR that high in this draft.

[gsnts725]

We can't draft a DE and convert them to OLB.  We can't draft an undersized/4-3 sized OLB.  We can't draft a QB without a cannon, prototypical height and several season worth of top flight D1 experience.  We can't draft an RB or TE.  I guess we can't draft a corner either because if we do they will either suck or have an outrageous sense of their own value. 

So draft a punter? We haven't tried that yet.

[HessStation]

i would not take any WR that high in this draft.

dude. Who the **** are u drafting? Lol . I feel like everytime I see one if your posts it's about someone you dislike.

[gsnts725]

Bit out of the DE/OLB who best fits the Jets' defense?

[bitonti]

Bit out of the DE/OLB who best fits the Jets' defense?

 

 

ideally? Jarvis Jones will show up day 1 and play ball. But he looks top 5ish to me. I'd happily take Mingo, Jordan or Jones on this D. Probably none will be there cause the league isn't dumb.

 

also like Corey Lemonier from Auburn but 9 is way reachy. The way this board is shaking out, there might not be a top OLB to take at 9. There are a bunch of other good linebacker prospects and hopefully the Barnes signing makes it less of a dire need. 

[bitonti]

i would not take any WR that high in this draft.

 

 

I somewhat agree with this Cordarrelle is a super interesting player but unclear if he's a fit for the WCO. Keenan Allen I like the best but his knee injury etc makes him less of a top 20 guy. I still really like him tho.

 

Someone said it already, outside of the top 5 picks there's alot of value between 5-25... that was an accurate. I see maybe 6 blue chips in this draft.  If the Jets could trade down and get Keenan Allen and Tyler Eifert that would be instant offense.