pointman Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 People were complaining about Cro, too, before last year. As far as cornerbacks go, we've been spoiled. Which is probably a good thing though, because as far as quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, tight ends and pass rushers go, we've been anything but spoiled. Linebackers... our linebackers sucked too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Let's be real. At this point, we should hope that Wilson blows, the Jets go 2-14, and we're sitting at #1 or #2 in the draft next year. It really is the best case scenario. Why? So we can blow the pick on Johnny Football and have another wash out loser like Sanchez? We're doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Why? So we can blow the pick on Johnny Football and have another wash out loser like Sanchez? We're doomed. John Football will be a third round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 John Football will be a third round pick. That the Pats take, and groom into another dozen years of Brady like ownage on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 He occasionally defends a pass. A number of cornerbacks in this league are just window dressing, hanging around hoping to catch a deflection. The way the rules are now most of them cannot do much. Get some pass pressure, stop the run, kill the receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I doubt it, Jets fans were really spoiled having Revis. I really hope they can hit a home run in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Of course he's not ready. And drafting Milliner would be MORONIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Of course he's not ready. And drafting Milliner would be MORONIC. What's the problem with Millner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 What's the problem with Millner? He isn't close to Revis and the Jets need Pass Rushers and offensive difference makers, not CB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 He isn't close to Revis and the Jets need Pass Rushers and offensive difference makers, not CB's. I tend to agree. By not paying Revis, the Jets are making a move away from overpaying at the CB position. Turning around and taking a CB at #9 sends a different message. I don't think they'll do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 He isn't close to Revis and the Jets need Pass Rushers and offensive difference makers, not CB's. your reasoning behind not taking a rookie is because he isnt as good as the best CB in the league? Milliner at 9 would be insane value (hes never gonna drop tho) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 your reasoning behind not taking a rookie is because he isnt as good as the best CB in the league? Milliner at 9 would be insane value (hes never gonna drop tho) My reasoning is that the Jets have about 10 holes they need to fill before they go drafting another CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 It will be tough if the Jets draft a CB in Round One this year, the Revis comparisons will never end. Not sure anyone can live up to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 My reasoning is that the Jets have about 10 holes they need to fill before they go drafting another CB. yea but why reach for those positions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O23 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Kyle Wilson is awful. That being said like everyone has pointed out he will have no bearing on what happens to this team and will hopefully be released asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O23 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 People were complaining about Cro, too, before last year. As far as cornerbacks go, we've been spoiled. Which is probably a good thing though, because as far as quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, tight ends and pass rushers go, we've been anything but spoiled. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TnT Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Kyle is servicable at best...as was proved last season. 10lbs of muscle and I think he'd be a better FS then the CB he is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 revis was just replaced with cro. Bam replaceable Revis and Cro together changed the defense. It takes more people to play zone than man-to-man. With Revis shutting down the #1 receiver all by himself and Cro doing likewise to the #2, a man is freed up to be used elsewhere on the defense. Last year with Revis hurt, Cro proved he could do a serviceable job going alone on the opponent's #1 receiver. He isn't Darelle, but Cro usually got the job done without needing help. So Revis has been adequately replaced by Cromartie on the best receiver, but now the big, big question is: can we find someone to replace Cromartie on the #2 receiver and keep the man-to-man coverage, or do we need to revert to zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Revis and Cro together changed the defense. It takes more people to play zone than man-to-man. With Revis shutting down the #1 receiver all by himself and Cro doing likewise to the #2, a man is freed up to be used elsewhere on the defense. Last year with Revis hurt, Cro proved he could do a serviceable job going alone on the opponent's #1 receiver. He isn't Darelle, but Cro usually got the job done without needing help. So Revis has been adequately replaced by Cromartie on the best receiver, but now the big, big question is: can we find someone to replace Cromartie on the #2 receiver and keep the man-to-man coverage, or do we need to revert to zone? thats true id dig if they draft my boy logan ryan even though his facebook statuses have been getting weird lately giving away shoes and stuff lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Well the shoe stuff fits in beautifully with this team, so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Well the shoe stuff fits in beautifully with this team, so why not? I dont know if i wanna subject a guy ive partied my high school years with, into the misery that is jets football SUFFER TOGETHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Oh you know the guy? Apparently he's projected as second or third round, so I would keep in touch if I were you. He should be coming into some money soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Oh you know the guy? Apparently he's projected as second or third round, so I would keep in touch if I were you. He should be coming into some money soon. yea lol he whent to my high school and was the starting QB/CB im a little younger but ive been at parties with him a handful of times. Nice dude and yea lol wish i knew him well enough to get tickets or something. But no dice. Facebook friends dont count as in the crew lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I don't follow college football much, but just for the heck of it-what's his size and 40 time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I don't follow college football much, but just for the heck of it-what's his size and 40 time? logan? 4.56 40 at the combine but scouts saying he looks faster and hes listed at 6 foot 191 pounds was a top performer in both shuttle drills and the 3 cone drill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Yeah, I just looked him up. At 5'11 or 6" and 190 he's somewhat bigger than most CB's. Much of Revis' advantage was that he was 5'11' and 208, when most CB's are around 5'9" and 175. I don't know much about the 3 cone drill, but if it means he's probably faster than 4.56 in the 40 that has to be good. You have to like that size and weight for playing the bump and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Yeah, I just looked him up. At 5'11 or 6" and 190 he's somewhat bigger than most CB's. Much of Revis' advantage was that he was 5'11' and 208, when most CB's are around 5'9" and 175. I don't know much about the 3 cone drill, but if it means he's probably faster than 4.56 in the 40 that has to be good. You have to like that size and weight for playing the bump and run. yea they described him as a physical guy. Can tackle and bring a physical presence but definitly needs to work on his speed a little scouts say his closest nfl type is dunta robinson but bigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 In a couple of years, he should naturally fill out to around 200. Unless he's faster than 4.56, (which he might be), he would be a CB with only average speed. But at 4.56, he would be considered a fast safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 In a couple of years, he should naturally fill out to around 200. Unless he's faster than 4.56, (which he might be), he would be a CB with only average speed. But at 4.56, he would be considered a fast safety. yea wish he wan a 4.4 or something like that but id spend a early 4th on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Looks pretty sure he'll be playing for somebody. There are indications he might be 4.5. The same guy can run different 40 yard times. Differences of .06 are not uncommon. Wouldn't mind seeing him as a Jet, but I think he's rather go in the second round, if he can. Good luck to Ryan. Gotta go now and ice my knees down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Been checking around the net about the 3 cone drill. Ryan Logan's 6.69 is very impressive. It is significantly better than Kyle Wilson's and even better than the highly rated Vontae Davis. Some scouts are beginning to rate the 3 cone drill as a more accurate measure of CB quality than the 40 yard dash, and Logan has a great one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Been checking around the net about the 3 cone drill. Ryan Logan's 6.69 is very impressive. It is significantly better than Kyle Wilson's and even better than the highly rated Vontae Davis. Some scouts are beginning to rate the 3 cone drill as a more accurate measure of CB quality than the 40 yard dash, and Logan has a great one. lol ill take that. We do need a corner now so if we trade back from 13 or something and hes there in the middle rounds id be good with him. guys got nice size and if the 3 cone drill indicates hes fast enough id be happy with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Ryan's stock took a pretty big hit after his 40 time. If you could break him apart into pieces, he's essentially the same size as Revis but with essentially the same arm length and straight speed as Richard Sherman, (however Sherman is 6'3). On the field, he's similar to both players as he's known to be physical in man, using his body and strength well. His negs mostly come from lack of explosion (both a knock on Revis and Sherman coming out fwiw). but 3 cone: Ryan: 6.69 Revis: 6.56 Sherman: 6.82 and vert: Ryan: 32 Revis: 38 Sherman: 38 and 40: Ryan: 4.53 Revis: 4.38 Sherman: 4.56 however: Ryan: 5'11 190 Revis: 5'11 190 Sherman: 6'3 195 and broad: Ryan: 9'8 Revis: 10'5 Sherman: 10'4 so he really doesn't match up too well vs. the leagues top 2 CBs on raw physical numbers...Revis at the same size was a lot faster and more explosive and quicker coming out, at the same size, and Sherman, the longer, lankier type of player was still much more explosive, at the same speed. Ryan really only shows to be quicker than him but at almost 4 inches shorter. That said, I'm comparing him to the two best players at the position so....probably not fair to do in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 as a side note to this^. Wilson's pro day: 6.74 3 cone 38 vert 4.42 40yd 5'10 190 broad: 10'4 those are impressive numbers for a 4 year starter and known aggressive tackler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Considering Logan Ryan's 3 cone is apparently equal to just about anyone but Revis, and better than all but four or five CBs in the league, I think he just had a bad run for his 40 time. All the other top 3 cone players also had very-good-to-great speed. If I were a team looking for CBs in the draft, I would invite the guy over to run a few 40's to see for myself. The two numbers don't seem to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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