Matt39 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I don't think anyone outside of you thinks Earl Thomas is better. Like, in the entire NFL. You don't trade a top DL for a top Safety. EVER. Earl Thomas was First Team All Pro and could potentially win DPOY and is on a team with a historically good secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Earl Thomas was First Team All Pro and could potentially win DPOY and is on a team with a historically good secondary. And don't you think that being on a team with a lot of other really good DB's tends to make Thomas seem better than he is? I don't care what awards he's winning. Wilkerson is far more valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Has he ever been first team All Pro? Who gives a f*ck? Everyone scout in the entire league was saying he was a snub this year. He's a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 And don't you think that being on a team with a lot of other really good DB's tends to make Thomas seem better than he is? I don't care what awards he's winning. Wilkerson is far more valuable. In your opinion sure. I think they're close but with the depth we have at dline and our secondary currently sucking....Thomas would be a huge help. Its totally hypothetical, but Earl Thomas is a bad man. He can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Matt, just take a few plays off and read this. You're insane. http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/68301/the-all-22-all-star-team-muhammad-wilkerson-and-the-new-versatility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 In your opinion sure. I think they're close but with the depth we have at dline and our secondary currently sucking....Thomas would be a huge help. Its totally hypothetical, but Earl Thomas is a bad man. He can play. He's a freaking safety. Wilkerson plays every position on the DL and could be a HOFer before all is said and done. You're wayyyy off on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Has he ever been first team All Pro? Is that the criteria? 2nd team isnt good enough to be considered a Superstar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 This was written LAST year: "The most impressive of Wilkerson’s numbers is probably nine. That’s the amount of alignments, on either side of the ball, Wilkerson is asked to play in the Jets' defense. Success in the NFL can often be as simple as being very good at one thing. Wilkerson is very good at about a dozen, and it could soon make him one of the league’s most indispensable defenders. He isn’t there yet. But after this season, Wilkerson’s name may belong right alongside Miller, Smith, and Watt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 He's a freaking safety. Safeties aren't valuable now? You're underrating Thomas....teams cant throw the ball down the middle field because of his presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Wilkerson is awesome...holy hell. You guys are unbelievable...but no, league wide no one considers Mo WIlkerson a superstar yet when a guy who plays the same position as him registered 20+ sacks the year prior and plays the run as good as anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I stopped at trade Mo. Did I miss anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Ok so we finally get a stud player drafted and you want to trade him away? I know hypothetical- no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Safeties aren't valuable now? You're underrating Thomas....teams cant throw the ball down the middle field because of his presence. The top safety in the NFL is not as valuable as a top 10 DL. Safeties aren't even allowed to hit people anymore so the bolded is basically irrelevant. Wilkerson helps make sure the pass doesn't even get thrown multiple times a game, nor does a RB break big runs, so I find those qualities to be far more valuable. Wilkerson is awesome...holy hell. You guys are unbelievable...but no, league wide no one considers Mo WIlkerson a superstar yet when a guy who plays the same position as him registered 20+ sacks the year prior and plays the run as good as anyone. You're categorically insane on this one. He is 100 % a superstar. And he's only been in the league 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Wilkerson is awesome...holy hell. You guys are unbelievable...but no, league wide no one considers Mo WIlkerson a superstar yet when a guy who plays the same position as him registered 20+ sacks the year prior and plays the run as good as anyone. Actually, I'm pretty sure you're the only one who doesnt consider him a superstar. Most do. What the guy does is incredible. And fwiw, Rex has consistently (outside of this season) had one of the best rated secondaries in the league with crap at safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 You realize Thomas has the coverage ability of a corner? The guy is one of the most unique players in the sport...he does everything well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Mission accomplished headboard set to destruct in 60 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 And don't you think that being on a team with a lot of other really good DB's tends to make Thomas seem better than he is? I don't care what awards he's winning. Wilkerson is far more valuable. the same exact thing could be said of wilks playing next to the best nose tackle,defensive rookie of the year,another first round pick in coples, and a great player in his own right in douzable. mo wilks is what he is. a really good 3-4 defensive end and a great 4-3 tackle that plays with a lot of other really good lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Our front 7 is only thing that makes me think we may still fight for a playoff spot in 20154 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Our front 7 is only thing that makes me think we may still fight for a playoff spot in 20154 As we saw this season though a good run defense means jack without a good pass defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 You realize Thomas has the coverage ability of a corner? The guy is one of the most unique players in the sport...he does everything well. Similarly, Mo Wilk is one of the more unique players in the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Similarly, Mo Wilk is one of the more unique players in the sport. I don't disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 As we saw this season though a good run defense means jack without a good pass defense. of course, I didnt say we wwere perfect, but we dont need to fix front 7 per say,,thats a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 why are you opening a hole where there isn't one to possibly epically fail at filling one? how many superstar WRs are there, really? because you're not getting a high enough pick to secure an andrew luck type QB for a d-lineman, which leaves you with WRs and TEs, many of which will still be available when the Jets pick at 18. there wouldn't be any hole to fill. the jets have a surplus of dlineman. also, what makes you believe that with the 18th pick, the jets solve their receiver problem. there is a 50/50 shot the player doesn't work out as planned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 the same exact thing could be said of wilks playing next to the best nose tackle,defensive rookie of the year,another first round pick in coples, and a great player in his own right in douzable. mo wilks is what he is. a really good 3-4 defensive end and a great 4-3 tackle that plays with a lot of other really good lineman. Pretty sure he was dominant last season without Harrison and Richardson, but carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Old saying -if it aint broke do not fix it. Our defensive line is our one strength- do not mess with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I don't disagree with that. Both incredible players and freak athletes. I'd take the DL guy over the safety, personally, but I aint hating on Thomas, dude is unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 LOL, this entire thread is the ultimate abomination. Reminds me of the good ole days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Both incredible players and freak athletes. I'd take the DL guy over the safety, personally, but I aint hating on Thomas, dude is unreal. The Hawks can play one deep at safety because of his ability to get to either side of the field faster than anyone in the sport. He doesnt get beat, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The Hawks can play one deep at safety because of his ability to get to either side of the field faster than anyone in the sport. He doesnt get beat, ever. I thought I saw Colston beat him twice but he looked to be screaming at someone else like it wasnt his fault. Very hard to know what you're claiming unless you knew the D's call. I think he's probably been beat before, just a hunch. But I dont want to talk your hard-on down for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 The top safety in the NFL is not as valuable as a top 10 DL. Safeties aren't even allowed to hit people anymore so the bolded is basically irrelevant. Wilkerson helps make sure the pass doesn't even get thrown multiple times a game, nor does a RB break big runs, so I find those qualities to be far more valuable. You're categorically insane on this one. He is 100 % a superstar. And he's only been in the league 2 years. 3 years, but who is counting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 We have a QB DAMMIT Geno Smith get him WRs a decent TE and watch him lead us to the Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 dangle mo wilks as trade bait first of all, I don't like the idea as wilks is the best player on the team. young, talented, home grown, upstanding citizen, etc. just throwing this out there as there is really nothing else going on this years draft is loaded with offensive talent especially wide receivers & tight ends with as many as 15 1st/2nd round talents. the jets are in dire need of offensive playmakers I started thinking on how the jets could acquire more offensive talent this year and started going over the roster to see if there was a player/players worth trading. the deepest position on the jets is clearly the defensive line. wilks, ellis, Harrison, Richardson, coples, douzable(if resigned) pretty solid group of defensive line players question is? what kinda trade value would wilks be worth? what kinda dropoff would the defensive line suffer without wilks? gotta think he is worth 2 early picks plus the 10m to 12m the jets would save instead of extending him as far as the production drop off on the dline, I think there would be some, but I think it would be minimal remember, there is a lot of talent on the dline and you cant re-sign everyone of them. the only one who has serious trade value is wilks. I floated this idea back in week 16, but only if Rex Ryan was fired, with Rex he has to stay because Rex builds his teams D year to year around its best player(s), that used to be Revis (and Cro to an extent), but now it's Mo, and his unit Rex is tailoring his game plans around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 OMG this is idiocy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Earl Thomas? Yeah, ok. We're gonna give up the best DL under 24 other than MAYBE JJ Watt for Earl f*ckin Thomas. Because of our depth at the position, and the talent of E Thomas, Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Wilkerson isnt getting traded, but its interesting to see Jets fans value vs actual value. Wilkerson is a very good defensive linemen who has the ability to play inside and slide out. Cameron Jordan is very good at this too. Cameron Jordan is not a superstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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