Integrity28 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Anyway, Animal. I don't care. I passively responded to your post - because it didn't make sense to me - it was a harmless response. You were a prick about it. I patiently gave you a chance to clarify, and you made it worse. No big deal. I wasn't expecting a high degree of credibility from a message board. Make sure you stretch right, and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Anyways, my original post was saying that anyone can train to run a 4.5 and squat 500. If you don't believe me, train and diet seriously for 8 years (4 HS, 4 college) and report back. I don't know if anyone here is a HS freshmen, you just get back to us in 2 years when you get that exercise physiology degree and try to remember everything they lied to you about when you pass your knowledge on to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Anyway, Animal. I don't care. I passively responded to your post - because it didn't make sense to me - it was a harmless response. You were a prick about it. I patiently gave you a chance to clarify, and you made it worse. No big deal. I wasn't expecting a high degree of credibility from a message board. Make sure you stretch right, and what not. I don't even remember what your response was. I really don't care. Doesn't change the fact that any able-bodied person can train to run a 4.5 and squat 500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 At this point, we know where it's heading. Now, would you rather see this argument go on for two more pages or watch me sock a few dingers!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I don't even remember what your response was. I really don't care. Doesn't change the fact that any able-bodied person can train to run a 4.5 and squat 500. How about an able-bodied straw man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I am not wrong. You took my statement to extremes. It was obvious that I was referring to able-bodied individuals, and I have since clarified that. Your strawman argument won't work (it became a strawman after I clarified and you still insisted that I meant ALL people, regardless of condition, could do those things). WTF are you talking about? You are speaking in generalizations, and as long as nobody calls you on them, they are "facts" that prove me "wrong". However, when I hold you accountable to the words you have chosen, it somehow makes my argument "strawman"? I was, in all honesty, trying to have a normal conversation with you. This is past the point of a worthwhile discussion now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 WTF are you talking about? You are speaking in generalizations, and as long as nobody calls you on them, they are "facts" that prove me "wrong". However, when I hold you accountable to the words you have chosen, it somehow makes my argument "strawman"? After I clarified and you still insisted, yes, it became a strawman. Clearly I was not talking about people with health issues. Clearly I was not implying that someone with Scoliosis, for example, could achieve these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 For the first time since August 12, 2007, Ape isn't the biggest blowhard in a thread. We have finally turned a corner here at JetNation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 IBTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 IBTL? If i was going to lock the thread it would have been long ago. I like watching you try and grasp at straws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 IBTL? If i was going to lock the thread it would have been long ago. I like watching you try and grasp at straws. Grasp at straws? Nope. People in this thread have just clearly never stepped foot in a training facility, so they don't realize that squatting 500 and running a 4.5 is attainable by any able-bodied person (or, I should say man). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Grasp at straws? Nope. People in this thread have just clearly never stepped foot in a training facility, so they don't realize that squatting 500 and running a 4.5 is attainable by any able-bodied person (or, I should say man). now you are being sexist. Let me get this straight, if my grandfather had 8 years left to live i could train him to run a 4.5 fourty and squat 500 lbs. He plays golf everyday and is in perfect physical health for a 86-year-old man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Grasp at straws? Nope. People in this thread have just clearly never stepped foot in a training facility, so they don't realize that squatting 500 and running a 4.5 is attainable by any able-bodied person (or, I should say man). I ran four years of varsity track in high school and four years collegiality at the Division 1 level. No one is denying that the average person can train to become faster and stronger, you are arguing amongst yourself on that. What we are arguing is that running a fast forty and lifting weights in a gym does not equate to athleticism, thus, the average person cannot become as athletic as the average NFL athlete. Merely saying that just sounds ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I have seen this episode a billion times, I still lose it every time Mel Torme sings to Kramer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 now you are being sexist. Let me get this straight, if my grandfather had 8 years left to live i could train him to run a 4.5 fourty and squat 500 lbs. He plays golf everyday and is in perfect physical health for a 86-year-old man. Once again, obviously, you're taking my statement to an extreme. I ran four years of varsity track in high school and four years collegiality at the Division 1 level. No one is denying that the average person can train to become faster and stronger, you are arguing amongst yourself on that. What we are arguing is that running a fast forty and lifting weights in a gym does not equate to athleticism, thus, the average person cannot become as athletic as the average NFL athlete. Merely saying that just sounds ridiculous. Well then...what is athleticism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Once again, obviously, you're taking my statement to an extreme. Well then...what is athleticism? Extreme or not, I'd like an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Werent guys like Graham and Gates, basically chosen based on their Combine performances? I don't know, I am just asking? So was Mike Mamula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 If someone is naturally fast and strong, are they any more athletic than someone who trained to get as fast and strong as them? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Holy sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Extreme or not, I'd like an answer. No. Your question is ridiculous and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I have seen this episode a billion times, I still lose it every time Mel Torme sings to Kramer. The entire episode is absolute brilliance. I lose my sh*t the second he burns his tongue on the hot water, because you know what's coming. Every time I watch that show I forgot how amazing it was and proceed to watch it for the next week on re-runs. The Marine Biologist and The Laytex Salesmen are another two that always get me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Yes, of course. No one is denying that. I will never be Jadaveon Clowney, but I can definitely become just as athletic, or more athletic, than Gholston, for example. Genetics do have their limit, but let's not act like you can't train your way to a 4.5 flat. I've seen your high school reel. No chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 dp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Grasp at straws? Nope. People in this thread have just clearly never stepped foot in a training facility, so they don't realize that squatting 500 and running a 4.5 is attainable by any able-bodied person (or, I should say man). I can run a 4.49 forty and I can squat 515 lbs. how come I cant play in the nfl? scratch that. I got my figures messed up 9.44 forty and I can squat 155 lbs. so much for riches and glory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I've seen your high school reel. No chance. Don't think I've ever posted it, but, yeah, I wasn't good in high school. That doesn't mean anything. At this point in time, in comparison to his combine results, I can run a faster 40, a faster shuttle, a faster 10-yard split, almost as many bench press reps, and I'm only about 2 inches from his vert. And I have arthritic knees and bad genetics. If I can do it, anyone can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 I can run a 4.49 forty and I can squat 515 lbs. how come I cant play in the nfl? So...you're agreeing with my original point, LOL. I said that these numbers don't matter, since anyone can work on athleticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 You can't learn to run fast. I'm not talking about working on your 40 technique, I'm talking about being able to produce more power. P=MAD/T Mass x acceleration (for all intents and purposes, we use 9.81m/s2 [gravity]) x distance / time Strength is not a skill. Speed is not a skill. Improving your skills can aid you in improving your speed and strength, but speed and strength themselves are not skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hooooly sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Hooooly sh*t. Problem? Just a bunch of people that are butthurt because they're not willing to put in the work to become more athletic, so they think that only genetics freaks can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 c/p from the Olympics thread: Wait...people actually watch women's sports? LOL When women can hit 450 ft. bombs out of Yankee Stadium and can run 4.4 40's while squatting 600 lbs. and trucking over Brian Orakpos, come at me. They could, if only they trained harder. Weird how none of them do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 Problem? Just a bunch of people that are butthurt because they're not willing to put in the work to become more athletic, so they think that only genetics freaks can do it. It's just, that I realized you're insane this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehFalcon63 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 It's just, that I realized you're insane this thread. And why is that? Because I'm willing to acknowledge that the athletic "feats" I posted are attainable by most men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Stop making fun do the troops, the Indianapolis was a tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 And why is that? Because I'm willing to acknowledge that the athletic "feats" I posted are attainable by most men? I really hope your gym classes are supervised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 And why is that? Because I'm willing to acknowledge that the athletic "feats" I posted are attainable by most men? No, it's because for a while you were equating the feats of running a specific time in the forty and benching/squatting/dead-lifting to pure athleticism, which is not accurate. Your argument that the average person can learn to run a 4.5 forty and squat 500 holds water, but equating it to being just as athletic as the average NFL individual is completely off-base. That's the crux of this entire argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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