Klecko73isGod Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Jets can't draft and consistently win meaningless games at the end of seasons to lose out on draft position. It's like a wheel of mediocrity. I disagree. Drafting the right player at the position you are at is the key. Draft position isn't as important as picking the right player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 It's both draft position and poor drafting. The winning culture thing is not built through bullsh*t like winning a meaningless game in december. We won three of our last four games last year, that sure made our team better this year and next year, right? Geno rolled out guns blazing this year? Winters turned the corner, right? What kind of a message does it send to your young players if you tell them to stop trying? Those games aren't meaningless if you're playing your younger players to give them experience. In that situation, you want them to fight like hell for a win. Telling them to dog it is detrimental to them and the team. The fact that it didn't help Geno or Winters is on them as players. The bad part about what they're doing now is they're playing a lot of older guys who might not be here next year, instead of playing the young guys. Willie Colon, Calvin Pace, and Vick (unless they plan to keep and start him next year) should not be on the field. IK Enempkali, Trevor Reilly, Quincy Enunwa, and Matt Simms should be playing. Instead Rex is playing old guys to save his job. And that is what really hurting the team. It's simple value lost, look at what the Rams got for RGIII in that trade. The Rams don't get those assets by winning meaningless games in December. Draft position everywhere suffers not just in the first round. Of course, if the Jets drafted better position matters less, but they've proven that they're awful at assessing talent. Where you pick doesn't matter if you don't draft well. It only makes your bad picks look even worse. People are saying we should be more like the Lions. How many early first round picks did they screw up before getting it right with Megatron and Stafford? They were picking disasters like Joey Harrington, Charles Rogers, and Mike Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I disagree. Drafting the right player at the position you are at is the key. Draft position isn't as important as picking the right player. Exactly. Who you pick is more important than when you pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Not as good as their record, but i'll give them props for going 7-2 with Megatron on the sidelines for most of the year. Not even close to winning a Superbowl tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Exactly. Who you draft is more important than when you draft. I will never understand this philosophy of wanting the team to lose to endure a higher draft pick. It don't mean sh*t if you waste the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Neither Rex nor Idzik is in a position this year where they can afford for the team to lose out. Rex is a goner, and is coaching now for his next job. Idzik himself is not on sure footing with the franchise, and a 2 or 3 win year could result in his firing, too. The only way the team could tank the rest of the year (play Simms at QB, for instance) would be if Woody guaranteed they'd both be back, and told them not to worry about wins the rest of the season (wink!). That's not gonna happen, and no one wants it to happen. So these guys need to keep the team together, get some wins, and demonstrate that they're employable at their current positions. Anything less than that, and Rex is working in TV and Idzik is preparing tax returns next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I will never understand this philosophy of wanting the team to lose to endure a higher draft pick. It don't mean sh*t if you waste the pick. Certainly you have to recognize that your odds of nailing that pick increases the earlier you pick. If the Colts don't tank they don't get Andrew Luck. It's pretty simple. Tanking in the right years can get you the right players. Look at that 2008 draft, for instance. Perhaps you can argue that Matt Ryan wasn't tank worthy. But he certainly would have been a far better player to acquire than Gholston (and there wasn't much after him either). However, we beat the Chiefs the final week of the season and as a result the Falcons picked ahead of us in the '08 draft. That's an instance where you certainly CAN argue it was detrimental to the franchise to win a meaningless game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I guess, but Stafford is the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Certainly you have to recognize that your odds of nailing that pick increases the earlier you pick. If the Colts don't tank they don't get Andrew Luck. It's pretty simple. Tanking in the right years can get you the right players. Look at that 2008 draft, for instance. Perhaps you can argue that Matt Ryan wasn't tank worthy. But he certainly would have been a far better player to acquire than Gholston (and there wasn't much after him either). However, we beat the Chiefs the final week of the season and as a result the Falcons picked ahead of us in the '08 draft. That's an instance where you certainly CAN argue it was detrimental to the franchise to win a meaningless game. The Colts did not tank. They were that bad. If they were tanking do you really think they would have replaced both their GM and head coach? Chad Pennington 2 (AKA Matt Ryan) was not worth tanking for, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 They do have a nice dome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I will never understand this philosophy of wanting the team to lose to endure a higher draft pick. It don't mean sh*t if you waste the pick. very true. look at teams like the browns and texans. held high draft picks many times, not one good player to show for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 The Colts did not tank. They were that bad. If they were tanking do you really think they would have replaced both their GM and head coach? Very true. You know, if you lose enough games in a row, the players lose confidence in themselves and start not giving full effort because they feel inside it will be a another spirit-crushing loss. Even the players with merit will do this. You don't need a coach to get bad teams to keep losing, they'll do it by themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Very true. You know, if you lose enough games in a row, the players lose confidence in themselves and start not giving full effort because they feel inside it will be a another spirit-crushing loss. We lost 8 in a row but still found the strength to beat a Steelers team that had thrown 12 passing TD's during the 2 prior weeks. Clearly we need to crush their spirits more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 If you want them to lose out, you might have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Do the Jets have a scouting department? Sorry I missed your response. Was offline most of the day. To answer your question, here's Idziks "war room" from this past year's draft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Better than Cotchery? just barely, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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