3-4 front 3 question.

[Embrace the Suck]

Lets assume someone signs Harrison and we get a 2nd for him.

 

How would everyone feel with a front three of:

 

DE-Coples

DT-Wilkerson

DE-Richardson

 

I understand an initial reaction of not wanting to move Wilk but he already plays inside on some passing downs and has great size and athletic ability. 

 

Coples seems better at end and has great potential, of course potential being the key word, and if he could play up to it between him and Rich on the ends Wilk could have a field day with less athletic interior players. 

 

Sorry if this has already been addressed.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

That's not a 3-4 line. It really isn't 3/4 of a 4-3 line either.

[DaBallhawk]

Bowles/Rodgers doesn't run a base 3-4 defense so I doubt this happens, the way you're drawing it up. Like Mo in the middle taking on 2-3 guys, that's not gonna happen. He's way too lanky to be that kind of player clogging up the middle. He can't hold up. Rushing the passer is a different story when he lines up there on obvious passing downs.

 

You'd have to adjust the defense a little bit. Move Coples inside a little, directly over the Guard. That way Mo would "only" have to play the center and maybe the other guard. And then you have Pace/Babin outside at DE either in the 3 point stance or standing up. So that it's basically a 4 man front.

[Tinstar]

Remember what Happen to the Jets defense when Jason Ferguson signed with the Cowboys. Every defense needs a true NT, but none more so than a 34.  Mo Wilkerson and Richardson are true 3T or 5T Defensive linemen. Even thou I think Richardson could play DE in a 43 scheme with his athletic ability and Hustle.

[Larz]

doesn't mo go outside and sheldon go inside ?

[Embrace the Suck]

doesn't mo go outside and sheldon go inside ?

I was thinking Mo had more size. But yeah, the size may hurt him with regard to leverage in the middle.

[Sperm Edwards]

If we lose both Harrison and Ellis this year I don't see how we stay with a 3-man line.

Better off drafting a college 4-3 end at #6 or #37 and just him at end instead of teaching him to play OLB (which he may not even take to).

[Tinstar]

If we lose both Harrison and Ellis this year I don't see how we stay with a 3-man line.

Better off drafting a college 4-3 end at #6 or #37 and just him at end instead of teaching him to play OLB (which he may not even take to).

We won't lose both, but if we were too, we would need a replacement to play either scheme. Without both those players the Jets have no true NT.

[Sperm Edwards]

We won't lose both, but if we were too, we would need a replacement to play either scheme. Without both those players the Jets have no true NT.

We could, particularly if Ellis signs first. As one of our Pats residents brought up in the Harrison thread, both NE and GB could use a NT.

There's that other thing also, that it's questionable (if not purely hopeful) that Ellis would last the full season as a starter; even as only a 2-down starter.

Unless it's a super-low 2nd rounder like GB or NE has, AND if the contract offer is also super-cheap like $3M/year or something, I think we're just letting him go. As likely as not, we're letting him go for any 2nd rounder and decline matching, no matter what the contract is.

If the team wanted him long term they'd have already begun extension talks, or tagged him with a 1 so they could delay these talks until after the FA frenzy fully died down.

[BurnleyJet]

Snacks is a Monster against the run, the Jets are taking a risk with the 2nd round tender. These behemoth guys that can play Nose tackle aren't common. If we lose home we will have to move to a 4-3, we can't run the system without him.

[Dcat]

If we lose both Harrison and Ellis this year I don't see how we stay with a 3-man line.

Better off drafting a college 4-3 end at #6 or #37 and just him at end instead of teaching him to play OLB (which he may not even take to).

 

It would be interesting but I just can't see that happening.  I assume you would make D. Davis our new Vilma at MLB?  Didn't we just guarantee David Harris a lot of money for the next 2 years?  I think Bowles will play a 3-4 but mix it up often and repeatedly.  Not unlike Rex. Only with a much better roster already.  

 

Now just add Fowler or Beasly to it and go offense the rest of the draft. RB, WR, line, QB in whatever order gives us the BPA for those positions. I have a feeling we may see some trade downs later than round 1 to get more picks if they don't see the right value when we draft. 

[Sperm Edwards]

It would be interesting but I just can't see that happening.  I assume you would make D. Davis our new Vilma at MLB?  Didn't we just guarantee David Harris a lot of money for the next 2 years?  I think Bowles will play a 3-4 but mix it up often and repeatedly.  Not unlike Rex. Only with a much better roster already.  

 

Now just add Fowler or Beasly to it and go offense the rest of the draft. RB, WR, line, QB in whatever order gives us the BPA for those positions. I have a feeling we may see some trade downs later than round 1 to get more picks if they don't see the right value when we draft. 

 

I can see it happening. I think we may be seeing the plan for it to happen as we talk now, unless we get (IMO) lucky and no one wants Harrison for a low 2nd.

 

Say Harrison does get taken and now we have an additional late 2nd. Then, sensing the reduced market, Ellis then gets signed to a full starter contract and we don't want to match (in no small part due to the contracts we've already handed out, with some significant ones upcoming). 

 

The Harris contract I think was as much a desire not to create a hole as anything else. I think it was ill-advised because it also locks us into a 3-4 for a coach who allegedly wants flexibility and a GM who himself doesn't seem to want to lock up our only reliable NT even after re-signing Harris.

 

But to your question, I think most likely we'd see Harris at MLB with Davis kicking outside (SLB/WLB depending on who else we add or what Bowles/Rodgers/Collins see in practices).

[Villain The Foe]

If we lose both Harrison and Ellis this year I don't see how we stay with a 3-man line.

Better off drafting a college 4-3 end at #6 or #37 and just him at end instead of teaching him to play OLB (which he may not even take to).

we already got IK. 

[Tinstar]

If we're playing 34 Harris and Davis will man the inside . If we're playing 43, I think Davis is the Will Linebacker and Harris is the Mike.

[jetscrazey]

Snacks, Sheldon, Mo, and Coples should all start.  As to whether Coples has his hand in the dirt is up to the coaches.  On 3rd down, Snacks comes out and a pass rush specialist comes in.  Sheldon, Mo, Coples, and Babin/Pace or a draft pick is a formidable front as a pass rush.  Sheldon and Mo can rush from the inside, which should collapse any pocket.

 

If Sheldon improves as a pass rusher this offseason between years 2 and 3, he becomes a 10+ sack guy.  Combine him with Mo and that's a scary interior pass rush.

 

On 3rd down, it's realistic that either Harris, Davis, or Pace comes off the field and Antonio Allen comes in.

[SickJetFan]

Lets assume someone signs Harrison and we get a 2nd for him.

 

How would everyone feel with a front three of:

 

DE-Coples

DT-Wilkerson

DE-Richardson

 

I understand an initial reaction of not wanting to move Wilk but he already plays inside on some passing downs and has great size and athletic ability. 

 

Coples seems better at end and has great potential, of course potential being the key word, and if he could play up to it between him and Rich on the ends Wilk could have a field day with less athletic interior players. 

 

Sorry if this has already been addressed.

I like this, they actually do it a lot but from nickel.  I think Wilkes is actually better at NT because he can take on doubles.  Does not do well for his stats but who gives a sh*t!