Jet Nut Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 has nothing to do with that,( who the player plays for) but the fact One player way more advance in his route running- can run a full route three ( like a 15 year veteran) , and another needs a lot of work in that area.( one dimensional deep threat at the moment. see Jerry Rice. what separated made him the GOAT wr was his route running, Do you know he was the first guy on the practice field and the last guy off it- perfecting his routes( even late in his career). Route running is that important to the Wr position. again Devin Smith can be very good Wr in time , but it's going to come down to how bad he wants it, and how much time he puts in perfecting his craft- route running. Like what separates a great Qb from an average one. Isn't arm strength but three things. 1. accuracy- can put the football accurately in tight spots 2. anticipation- doesn't have to wait for Receiver to get open, but throws that receiver opens. 3 ability to read NFL defenses quickly- so know where he has the best matchup. So instead when judging positions don't look at the team they play for ,but do they have the skills to be successful at those positions. You know less about college football,than NFL football. Of course it makes a difference who you play for. Why do you feel the need to go on so many tangents? Rice, QBs, what makes a WR. ,you've never seen any of these guys play and you know who will be good, who won't for a variety of stupid reasons that are nothing more than cliches you like throwing out in ever long winded response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 I think the case with Hill was that, he was good enough to beat people one on one with his physical skills, so his first couple of games, teams didn't bother him that much because at that point Holmes was the No. 1 threat. But when teams started to shade a safety over the top, and then play the short routes with the CB covering Hill, he wasn't precise enough in his routes to take advantage. He needed the CB to play without a safety, respecting his speed for him to thrive. On Devin Smith, I think he's going to be used very similar to the way he was used in college to start. For one, as I believe Brian Basset wrote on the Jetsblog, there is a good chance we adopt a spread system similar to the one run by OSU and Urban Meyer. A power run spread, with great receiving threats to create havoc for the defense. I think before too long, Smith is going to over-take Kerley and move into the 3rd WR group and see how defenses play him. If the defense isn't moving the safety over to his area, then he can wreck havoc with the deep routes. If the safety isn't moving over, and they are staying with either Marshall/Decker, then we see the same advantage that Hill enjoyed with his speed, the ability to take advantage of guys playing further back and allowing the short yardage catches. I thought Cooper was the perfect fit for the offense, but once you get past Cooper, Smith comes off as a Cooper lite talent, with both of them being extremely good at tracking passes. It's one of the rare instances where the Jets had a need and actually took a player that fits the need to a tee. I badly wanted Amari Cooper for the Jets but I can't be upset at getting what some scouts thought was the best player in the entire draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 The law of averages is on our side. Jets 2nd round WR draft picks: 1977: Wesley Walker. One of the best Jets draft picks ever. 8,306 yds, 438 receptions 71 TDs. 13 year career, all as a Jet. 1980: Ralph Clayton. Played a total of 7 career NFL games with 0 receptions. 1990: Reggie Rembert. 36 career receptions. 1 TD. All with Cincinnati. 0 w/Jets. 1994: Ryan Yarborough. played 4 yrs, 2 Jets, 2 Baltimore. career stats: 494 yds 3 TDs 1996: Alex Van Dyke. Started 1 game in his 5 years in the NFL with 219 yds and 3 TDs 2012: Stephen Hill. 45 receptions, 594 yds 4 TDs in his 2 years on the Jets. Hill was better than all the others but Walker. Now that is just pathetic. Our drafts over the last 40 years are pretty awful.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 Like what separates a great Qb from an average one. Isn't arm strength but three things. 1. accuracy- can put the football accurately in tight spots 2. anticipation- doesn't have to wait for Receiver to get open, but throws that receiver opens. 3 ability to read NFL defenses quickly- so know where he has the best matchup. Where does grit rank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 stephen hill might as well have ass cheeks for hands That's a visual I really didn't need. But it is a very interesting proposition, with lots of possibilities, if that is the bend of one's carnal nature. Stuff like this is the reason I have zero interest in visiting other planets. You just never know what you are going to find out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Take Stephen Hill out of the average and it will skyrocket! The key in that article is "player development" and on the offensive side of the ball the Jets really haven't had any in the last six years. Many players developed dispite the poor coaching. And in the case of Hill he was a stretch at where he was picked to begin with so you are probably right!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 I would hope he becomes a well-rounded, every down WR rather than a home-run only Ted Ginn type. But even L. Coles took two seasons to hit his stride. I think we'll know more towards the end of 2015 once he's had a dozen or so games under his belt. You always hope to see a young player progress and end their first season with an impact. 2 of the best W/R's the Jets ever had was Maynard a 9th rd pick by the Giants and cut..(Would have been a 4th rd pick today) And this W/R who wasn't drafted and his college stat total for 2 years was 18 catches for 263 yds and 2 tds.. Guess who?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 2 of the best W/R's the Jets ever had was Maynard a 9th rd pick by the Giants and cut..(Would have been a 4th rd pick today) And this W/R who wasn't drafted and his college stat total for 2 years was 18 catches for 263 yds and 2 tds.. Guess who?? and his college no longer has a football program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 and his college no longer has a football program. It wasn't Wayne but good guess.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 It wasn't Wayne but good guess.. I googled JETS receivers since 62... undrafted? I didnt see any in our top 10 except Wayne. Im baffled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Wes Walker had 35 catches for 740 yds and 3 tds.. That's right in line except Westly avg 21 yds per catch. In year 2 1978 he avg 24.4 yds per catch and made All Pro.. 19 yds per catch over a 13 year career. Loved watching him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 2 of the best W/R's the Jets ever had was Maynard a 9th rd pick by the Giants and cut..(Would have been a 4th rd pick today) And this W/R who wasn't drafted and his college stat total for 2 years was 18 catches for 263 yds and 2 tds.. Guess who? George Sauer went undrafted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeJet22 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 George Sauer went undrafted He went to U of texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 George Sauer went undrafted Hmmm...footballer.com stated he was a 5th round pick, his WIKI page says nothing. I'll take your word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Hmmm...footballer.com stated he was a 5th round pick, his WIKI page says nothing. I'll take your word for it. JN was correct and wins a chicken dinner.. George Sauer SR worked for the Jets in the 1960's which is how JR got to the Jets which I think was called a red shirt pick back then I forget.. At any rate Jr made 4 pro bowls and 2 all pros in his short 6 year career.. He wanted to be a poet and writer he was a real flower child but one hell of a w/r also.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 19 yds per catch over a 13 year career. Loved watching him. Imagine if he had 2 good eye's.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Imagine if he had 2 good eye's.. Could he have been twice as good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I badly wanted Amari Cooper for the Jets but I can't be upset at getting what some scouts thought was the best player in the entire draft. I thought Cooper was the No. 1 fit for the Jets in the entire draft, mainly because of need, fit, and talent. But once he was off the board, and the QBs were gone, Williams was the slam dunk choice for us. However, I do think Smith shows a lot of the similar characteristics that Cooper showed on film and at the combine. His combine stats are pretty very similar to Cooper if not better in everything except the 3 cone drill and shuttle. They both display extremely good ability to track the pass, and from the film both are good hand catchers. Cooper is much better route runner, and also sets up his routes extremely well with explosion out of the breaks, but talent wise I think they are very similar. In a way, I agree that getting Williams/Smith is better than getting Cooper and say Preston Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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