JiFtheOracle Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 It's because you have people in this thread acting as if yesterday was some virtuoso performance that once and for all ends the debate.. It's annoying. The Jaguars are a terrible D... I don't care what you say I still think Geno would have dropped 30 on them. They're the best team in league vs. the run. The Jets ran the ball 29 times at 1.1 ypc. Fitzmagic is the only reason they gained any positive yardage yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 They're the best team in league vs. the run. The Jets ran the ball 29 times at 1.1 ypc. Fitzmagic is the only reason they gained any positive yardage yesterday. the best team in the league vs the run according to who? I remember Tampa running all over them a couple weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 They're the best team in league vs. the run. The Jets ran the ball 29 times at 1.1 ypc. Fitzmagic is the only reason they gained any positive yardage yesterday. yeah they would have completely stymied any mortal QB.. Fitzy though, being the god that he is, was about to carve up their pass defense to the tune of 200 yards and 2 incredible TD's.. rivaled the Brees/Eli battle from last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 He sees Fitz and sees Pennington. That's the reason for his idiotic arguments. Fitz has shown 100X more heart than Pennington ever did. The team trusts him and he's not shrinking during tough circumstances. That's the type of QB we've wanted for a while, yet he's sad because we don't have an elite QB. Tough sh*t, 20 other teams in the league have a similar problem. The comparison is so ridiculous, I'm bowing out of this one. I cant even believe I'm in this argument right now with him. He's on the same page as Pac in a QB argument. Enough said. And Pac, the biggest Pennington fan of all, flames Fitz (who is 20x better) every chance he gets. Bizzaro world. I go to another thread now. Have fun. bye bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 yeah they would have completely stymied any mortal QB.. Fitzy though, being the god that he is, was about to carve up their pass defense to the tune of 200 yards and 2 incredible TD's.. rivaled the Brees/Eli battle from last week. Just the fact that you have to compare Fitz to two Super Bowl-winning QB's (one headed for the HOF and the other a borderline HOFer) tells me all I need to know about where this debate has led. But keep dreaming about what you think Geno would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 the best team in the league vs the run according to who? I remember Tampa running all over them a couple weeks ago They hold teams to 3.2 ypc, best in the league and top 5 in yards allowed on the ground. Therefore, they're the best or one of the best in the league vs. the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 If Nick Marshall doesnt fumble punt, jets prob lose this game... Would the posters blowing Fitz then say he had a great game? is Philip Sims available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Just the fact that you have to compare Fitz to two Super Bowl-winning QB's (one headed for the HOF and the other a borderline HOFer) tells me all I need to know about where this debate has led. exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 They hold teams to 3.2 ypc, best in the league and top 5 in yards allowed on the ground. Therefore, they're the best or one of the best in the league vs. the run. actually they are 7th in yards rushing yards allowed per game. That is not "the best in the league" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 is Philip Sims available? No He is backing up Bryn Renner in the arena league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 exactly. Exactly....what? That they have a great QB and we don't? Cool. We knew that already. You provide no new information to any Fitzpatrick thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 actually they are 7th in yards rushing yards allowed per game. That is not "the best in the league" No, that is just the default sort order that comes up there. YPC avg is a truer statistic than total yards given up. 3.2 YPC puts them at the top of the heap in terms of run defense. The basic point here is that they are a really really good defense for stopping the run and that point is solidly supported by the evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Fitzpatrick's best attributes are his intelligence (obviously), and the fact that he plays like he's on beta-blockers. He's an extension of Bowles on the field, even if Bowles isn't all that involved in the offense. Extremely even keeled, never seems to get rattled. Doesn't get too high or too low. Physically, he's very limited. His arm just isn't there, and that allows teams to flood the box knowing that he can't throw beyond it. But mentally -intellectually and maturity-wise- he's just so far beyond Sanchez and Geno that it's hard not to be excited about the guy even if he never gets excited himself. I'd be very happy to sign him for a respectable contract (2 years, $8M?) all the while hoping that Petty, Geno, or QB X beats him out as the starter next year. He'd be an extremely valuable backup, and I'm still surprised the Texans gave him away for a string of beads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Fitzpatrick's best attributes are his intelligence (obviously), and the fact that he plays like he's on beta-blockers. He's an extension of Bowles on the field, even if Bowles isn't all that involved in the offense. Extremely even keeled, never seems to get rattled. Doesn't get too high or too low. Physically, he's very limited. His arm just isn't there, and that allows teams to flood the box knowing that he can't throw beyond it. But mentally -intellectually and maturity-wise- he's just so far beyond Sanchez and Geno that it's hard not to be excited about the guy even if he never gets excited himself. I'd be very happy to sign him for a respectable contract (2 years, $8M?) all the while hoping that Petty, Geno, or QB X beats him out as the starter next year. He'd be an extremely valuable backup, and I'm still surprised the Texans gave him away for a string of beads. I think 2 years for 8M is a pipe dream. He is going to get more than that. Unless you meant 2 years at 8M per season. Given what Hoyer got this year and the kind of year Fitzpatrick is having I am thinking the market for a solid veteran might go to 15M over two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 No, that is just the default sort order that comes up there. YPC avg is a truer statistic than total yards given up. 3.2 YPC puts them at the top of the heap in terms of run defense. how is that a truer statistic? If the jags D faces a lot of goal line and short yardage situations of course their YPC would be low. Only 6 teams have given up more rushing TD this season than Jacksonville this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 actually they are 7th in yards rushing yards allowed per game. That is not "the best in the league" I'm seeing 5th. And what about the 3.2? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 how is that a truer statistic? If the jags D faces a lot of goal line and short yardage situations of course their YPC would be low. Only 6 teams have given up more rushing TD this season than Jacksonville this season Earth to planet cant wait... If you have any evidence, any evidence at all to suggest the Jacksonville faces so many goal line and short yardage situations that it pushes their run defense YPC into the stratosphere...... if you have any evidence at all to support this bizarre theory then please provide it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I think 2 years for 8M is a pipe dream. He is going to get more than that. Unless you meant 2 years at 8M per season. Given what Hoyer got this year and the kind of year Fitzpatrick is having I am thinking the market for a solid veteran might go to 15M over two years. hahahahaha no team is stupid enough to pay Fitzpatrick that kind of money. Okay maybe the bills, but let's not try to emulate them please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 hahahahaha no team is stupid enough to pay Fitzpatrick that kind of money. Okay maybe the bills, but let's not try to emulate them please Do you feel that Fitzpatrick has outperformed his 3M contract this year and if so by how much? If you don't think that there are going to be GMs around the league willing to overpay for a security blanket then you don't know very much about football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Earth to planet cant wait... If you have any evidence, any evidence at all to suggest the Jacksonville faces so many goal line and short yardage situations that it pushes their run defense YPC into the stratosphere...... if you have any evidence at all to support this bizarre theory then please provide it. sorry the statistical evidence doesn't support your "conquering hero", fanboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Do you feel that Fitzpatrick has outperformed his 3M contract this year and if so by how much? If you don't think that there are going to be GMs around the league willing to overpay for a security blanket then you don't know very much about football. no, and no. Maybe if fitzy finishes the year better than he has ever done in his career, but I don't see it happening. Maybe the Browns, but I think they'd like to upgrade at QB not take on another career loser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Fitzpatrick's best attributes are his intelligence (obviously), and the fact that he plays like he's on beta-blockers. He's an extension of Bowles on the field, even if Bowles isn't all that involved in the offense. Extremely even keeled, never seems to get rattled. Doesn't get too high or too low. Physically, he's very limited. His arm just isn't there, and that allows teams to flood the box knowing that he can't throw beyond it. But mentally -intellectually and maturity-wise- he's just so far beyond Sanchez and Geno that it's hard not to be excited about the guy even if he never gets excited himself. I'd be very happy to sign him for a respectable contract (2 years, $8M?) all the while hoping that Petty, Geno, or QB X beats him out as the starter next year. He'd be an extremely valuable backup, and I'm still surprised the Texans gave him away for a string of beads. i think his physical limitations aren't as limiting as they're made out to be. he threw a few nice longer passes yesterday, the cumberland catch, the tompkins catch, the one to decker in the beginning. he doesn't need to put the ball 40 yards in the air to score. they've scored 200 points in 8 games, 25 per game. that's enough to make the playoffs. 13 tds and 7 picks. he should remain the starter until they find someone better. this means entering next year as the starter as well, with petty as the backup. i know fitz may have the surgery and hopefully he doesn't miss games, but i can't see mccagnan letting fitz walk and then entering TC next year with geno, petty and some guy they took in the 2nd or 3rd round. it wouldn't make any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LurkerKing Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Great - Good - Above Average - Average - Below Average - Bad - Sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 i think his physical limitations aren't as limiting as they're made out to be. he threw a few nice longer passes yesterday, the cumberland catch, the tompkins catch, the one to decker in the beginning. he doesn't need to put the ball 40 yards in the air to score. they've scored 200 points in 8 games, 25 per game. that's enough to make the playoffs. 13 tds and 7 picks. he should remain the starter until they find someone better. this means entering next year as the starter as well, with petty as the backup. i know fitz may have the surgery and hopefully he doesn't miss games, but i can't see mccagnan letting fitz walk and then entering TC next year with geno, petty and some guy they took in the 2nd or 3rd round. it wouldn't make any sense. there will be plenty of other options besides fitzy and geno next offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Great - Good - Above Average - Average - Below Average - Bad - Sucks Rodgers - Carson Palmer - Dalton - Fitzpatrick - Tannehill - Mark Sanchez - Geno Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 there will be plenty of other options besides fitzy and geno next offseason completely disagree. plus you have gailey and his system. who exactly is coming in who will be definitely better than fitz, and why would these teams let them go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 sorry the statistical evidence doesn't support your "conquering hero", fanboy So that is a no then, you don't have any evidence to support your theory. Why is that not a surprise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Worth noting that going into yesterday Fitz was top 15 in both DYAR and DVOA, and it's usually after the week 7 or 8 mark that their numbers start to gain traction on a season-wide basis. My guess is he actually takes a bump when tomorrow's numbers drop due to another game of no turnovers. If only the guy had an arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Worth noting that going into yesterday Fitz was top 15 in both DYAR and DVOA, and it's usually after the week 7 or 8 mark that their numbers start to gain traction on a season-wide basis. My guess is he actually takes a bump when tomorrow's numbers drop due to another game of no turnovers. If only the guy had an arm. oh he's top 15 in DYAR? I take it all back - he's amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 oh he's top 15 in DYAR? I take it all back - he's amazing. What do you project Geno's imaginary DYAR to be with him under center all 8 games? That's really the only relevant part of this debate. Has to be top 5 in the league. Has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 What do you project Geno's imaginary DYAR to be with him under center all 8 games? That's really the only relevant part of this debate. Has to be top 5 in the league. Has to be. I don't know or care what DYAR is.. I was just having a little laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 The question I will ask - in our losses was the QB most responsible for them- the answer is no. Fitzy is doing a nice job running the team and not making so many mistakes as previous guys did that hampered us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't know or care what DYAR is.. exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 oh he's top 15 in DYAR? I take it all back - he's amazing. For comparison's sake, these are measures that the Jets have historically placed close to or below 30th. It's not amazing, it's not horrible. Not good, not bad. And it's still a bit early to rely on the numbers projecting anything for the rest of the season, but their measures remain most constant after week 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I don't know or care what DYAR is.. I was just having a little laugh. Do you know what WAR is in baseball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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