Integrity28 Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Knowns: Jets need to deal Wilkerson Titans have a ton of picks and cap space, and want to return to the top 10 of this draft Dallas is stupid Jackson has cap space and a defensive coach that is in put-up or shut-up season Scenario: Goff Wentz Jalen Ramsey Elliot (Dallas won't take Tunsil because they are flush with OL talent) Jacksonville is on the clock at 5, Tunsil is on the board The trade: Jets trade #20 (850 pts) and Mo Wilk (valued at same as #20 pick overall, 850 pts) to Jacksonville for #5 pick (1,700 pts) Jets trade the #5 to Tennessee for the #15 (1,050 pts), #45 overall in 2nd round (450 pts), #76 overall in 3rd round (210 pts) The takeaway: Titans pick #5 overall: Laremy Tunsil Jaguars extend Wilkerson, and pick #20 overall: Eli Apple Jets pick #15 overall: Paxton Lynch, Jack Conklin or Shaq Lawson, also net 2nd and 3rd rounders = they have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Wouldn't love it. At that point I'd just make a pick at 5 and get Tunsil. Basically if we lose Wilkerson, our best player IMO, I want to be getting serious insurance that it's a worthwhile trade. We've basically traded him to get a guy we may get anyways and a second + third rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Wouldn't love it. At that point I'd just make a pick at 5 and get Tunsil. Basically if we lose Wilkerson, our best player IMO, I want to be getting serious insurance that it's a worthwhile trade. We've basically traded him to get a guy we may get anyways and a second + third rounder. Jets would also save $15.7MM immediately and wouldn't have to worry about the possibility of a $90MM long term contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 If we're going up to 5 why not just go get wentz at 2. Athough I think tunsil goes to SD and I am not a fan of Lawson at 15, but I can tell you put some thought into this so nice job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Muhammad Wilkerson has been an upstanding gentleman for this franchise. Just because we don't want to figure out a way to afford him doesn't mean he deserves to be forced to live in in the boiled peanut infested sh*thole that is Jacksonville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 19, 2016 Author Share Posted April 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, cant wait said: If we're going up to 5 why not just go get wentz at 2. Athough I think tunsil goes to SD and I am not a fan of Lawson at 15, but I can tell you put some thought into this so nice job Because that's not the scenario I crafted this around. You can make one that has us go to #2 if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Jets would also save $15.7MM immediately and wouldn't have to worry about the possibility of a $90MM long term contract. Yeah but basically what I'm saying is we're just moving up 5 slots, so even if we have someone in mind there's no guarantee he'd be there or worse that he wouldn't have been there at 20 anyways. It's basically a move to get you a better chance of getting your guy, with no guarantee of it and the 2nd/3rd. You could probably stay put and get Wilkerson traded for something like that anyways - I'd imagine at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Integrity28 said: Because that's not the scenario I crafted this around. You can make one that has us go to #2 if you want. What about #5 and next years first for 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 To iffy. Lynch may not be there at 15 and that would destroy any purpose of this. And Lawson? really? Another DL. Just what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 Just now, cant wait said: What about #5 and next years first for 2? If we wanted #2, then we'd probably just deal with Browns directly. Not get convoluted with a 3 way deal. The objective I had in mind with what I put together was to unload Wilk for first-round value, and to turn it into several extra picks in the first 3 rounds. Imagine we sign Fitz, and then make those picks: #15 - Jack Conklin, OT #46 - Kamalai Correa, OLB #51 - Hunter Henry, TE #76 - Christian Hackenberg, QB #83 - Ryan Smith, CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: If we wanted #2, then we'd probably just deal with Browns directly. Not get convoluted with a 3 way deal. The objective I had in mind with what I put together was to unload Wilk for first-round value, and to turn it into several extra picks in the first 3 rounds. Imagine we sign Fitz, and then make those picks: #15 - Jack Conklin, OT #46 - Kamalai Correa, OLB #51 - Hunter Henry, TE #76 - Christian Hackenberg, QB #83 - Ryan Smith, CB Those picks suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 10 minutes ago, Powpow said: To iffy. Lynch may not be there at 15 and that would destroy any purpose of this. And Lawson? really? Another DL. Just what we need. Lawson: SOURCES TELL US "I see Shaq as an outside linebacker in a 3-4. He's not the guy you want to turn loose against the quarterback, but he is the guy that will make it hard for tight ends to block him in the run game. We knew we couldnt run at him and it changed how we called plays." -- ACC offensive coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 Just now, dbatesman said: Those picks suck. Well, I'm mocking them to the Jets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Well, I'm mocking them to the Jets... Well played Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Those picks suck. I haven't been following much of this year's draft but re: Hackenberg, it strikes me that if a quarterback was worthy of this much praise he'd have something to show for it. Majority opinion seems to be weaponz and potential and that one always works out just fantastic when it comes to quarterbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 25 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: I haven't been following much of this year's draft but re: Hackenberg, it strikes me that if a quarterback was worthy of this much praise he'd have something to show for it. Majority opinion seems to be weaponz and potential and that one always works out just fantastic when it comes to quarterbacks. He's basically everything bad about Connor Cook turned up to 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: He's basically everything bad about Connor Cook turned up to 11. I figure he'll turn out great because every QB the fans fawn over usually sucks. So, something about irony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 49 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: If we wanted #2, then we'd probably just deal with Browns directly. Not get convoluted with a 3 way deal. The objective I had in mind with what I put together was to unload Wilk for first-round value, and to turn it into several extra picks in the first 3 rounds. Imagine we sign Fitz, and then make those picks: #15 - Jack Conklin, OT #46 - Kamalai Correa, OLB #51 - Hunter Henry, TE #76 - Christian Hackenberg, QB #83 - Ryan Smith, CB it's creative, but I think I'd rather try to get #15, 33 & 45 for #5 & 83. 15-45 sounds like the sweet spot in this years draft class so I'd try to load up on those picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 44 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Lawson: SOURCES TELL US "I see Shaq as an outside linebacker in a 3-4. He's not the guy you want to turn loose against the quarterback, but he is the guy that will make it hard for tight ends to block him in the run game. We knew we couldnt run at him and it changed how we called plays." -- ACC offensive coach yea so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 45 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: Well, I'm mocking them to the Jets... Well in that case mock you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 13 minutes ago, Powpow said: yea so he's projecting to be an OLB, not another DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: he's projecting to be an OLB, not another DL great an OLB who cant rush the QB - for that just use Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 20, 2016 Author Share Posted April 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Powpow said: great an OLB who cant rush the QB - for that just use Richardson. lol, deep breaths dude... I'm always the first to say I'm not a draftnik, I'm just slotting names in for fun, I don't know who is good or not... just trying to paint the picture of how many parts we can add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said: Muhammad Wilkerson has been an upstanding gentleman for this franchise. Just because we don't want to figure out a way to afford him doesn't mean he deserves to be forced to live in in the boiled peanut infested sh*thole that is Jacksonville. He wants a mega deal. He gets what he gets. Cry me a river for a guy about to bank 50 mill guar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFCEastFan Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Dallas would definitely take Tunsil in this scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Just now, Embrace the Suck said: He wants a mega deal. He gets what he gets. Cry me a river for a guy about to bank 50 mill guar. Earning $50 million in Jacksonville is like having uncensored internet in North Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Integrity28 said: lol, deep breaths dude... I'm always the first to say I'm not a draftnik, I'm just slotting names in for fun, I don't know who is good or not... just trying to paint the picture of how many parts we can add I see kinda like paint by numbers ok here is my Picasso rd 1 Lynch qb rd 2 Spence olb Rd 3 Joe Dahl OL rd 4 Maurice Canady cb 7 Hackett P 7 Drango OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 7 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Earning $50 million in Jacksonville is like having uncensored internet in North Korea. LOL Dude I just sprayed my monitor with Diet Pepsi reading that!!!! This has to be a post of the year nominee!! Just a friggin awesome post!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 22 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Earning $50 million in Jacksonville is like having uncensored internet in North Korea. Nice. Well played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I like it a lot. It won't happen but I like it. Also would be happy if we took Myles Jack with that number 5 pick Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Integrity28 said: Knowns: Jets need to deal Wilkerson Titans have a ton of picks and cap space, and want to return to the top 10 of this draft Dallas is stupid Jackson has cap space and a defensive coach that is in put-up or shut-up season Scenario: Goff Wentz Jalen Ramsey Elliot (Dallas won't take Tunsil because they are flush with OL talent) Jacksonville is on the clock at 5, Tunsil is on the board The trade: Jets trade #20 (850 pts) and Mo Wilk (valued at same as #20 pick overall, 850 pts) to Jacksonville for #5 pick (1,700 pts) Jets trade the #5 to Tennessee for the #15 (1,050 pts), #45 overall in 2nd round (450 pts), #76 overall in 3rd round (210 pts) The takeaway: Titans pick #5 overall: Laremy Tunsil Jaguars extend Wilkerson, and pick #20 overall: Eli Apple Jets pick #15 overall: Paxton Lynch, Jack Conklin or Shaq Lawson, also net 2nd and 3rd rounders = they have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. Or trade away Mo for a late first plus a 2nd or third n still pick the 2nd round talent Lynch at #20 and a WR towards the end of first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Integrity28 said: Knowns: Jets need to deal Wilkerson Titans have a ton of picks and cap space, and want to return to the top 10 of this draft Dallas is stupid Jackson has cap space and a defensive coach that is in put-up or shut-up season Scenario: Goff Wentz Jalen Ramsey Elliot (Dallas won't take Tunsil because they are flush with OL talent) Jacksonville is on the clock at 5, Tunsil is on the board The trade: Jets trade #20 (850 pts) and Mo Wilk (valued at same as #20 pick overall, 850 pts) to Jacksonville for #5 pick (1,700 pts) Jets trade the #5 to Tennessee for the #15 (1,050 pts), #45 overall in 2nd round (450 pts), #76 overall in 3rd round (210 pts) The takeaway: Titans pick #5 overall: Laremy Tunsil Jaguars extend Wilkerson, and pick #20 overall: Eli Apple Jets pick #15 overall: Paxton Lynch, Jack Conklin or Shaq Lawson, also net 2nd and 3rd rounders = they have 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. There's zero reason to do that. Lynch will be there at 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Seeing the trades that end up outbidding us, and the paper value of next year's picks being worth a round later this year, it doesn't appear (so far) that Mo has the first round trade value we'd like. We may have made offers with him at that value, but there's been no evidence Tennessee, or now Cleveland, has shown any interest in those offers. Still hopeful something can get done, but it's really looking like we're where some of us were thinking over a month ago: if we get a round 1 pick/value for him, it'll be a round 1 pick in 2017 (i.e. a 2nd round pick this year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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