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By Glenn Naughton

 

A few thoughts and observations to go along with some links to previous articles on Gang Green to pass along.

  • From taking a peek at the forums on JetNation.com, it looks like there’s a small percentage of fans hoping to see quarterback Christian Hackenberg fail, but for the most part it’s nice to see the fan base rallying to support a young quarterback who is being trashed by the local beat writers on a regular basis.  Gotta’ get those clicks.
  • Earlier this offseason, head coach Todd Bowles said the team was open to using a roster spot on a player who is strictly a return man.  Jets fans should be rooting for running back Romar Morris to earn that spot.  Even if Morris is used only sparingly as a running back, he has the speed and explosiveness to give the offense a boost from time to time.
  • Eric Decker’s release is easily one of the worst moves we’ve seen under Mike Maccagnan.  In trying to develop a pair of young quarterbacks and several receivers, a player like Decker should have been safe during the team’s purge.  This is a move the team may look back on and regret.
  • As much as some fans may like the selection of Jordan Leggett in the NFL draft along with a slimmed down Austin Seferian-Jenkins, the offense can still use a dual-threat tight end.  Eric Tomlinson is probably the best blocking tight end on the roster, but can he be a threat as a receiver?
  • If you’ve been paying any attention at all to Rontez Miles over the past couple of seasons, he’s impossible not to root for, and the backup safety spot is one of the many story lines worth following during training camp.
  • His numbers may not indicate it (3 sacks in 51 career games), but don’t count out linebacker Corey Lemonier as a possible pass rush specialist under Kevin Greene.  Lemonier’s name hasn’t been mentioned at all this past offseason by the pundits who have talked up Jordan Jenkins, Lorenzo Mauldin and Dylan Donahue, but the former third round pick has some talent.
  • As the only defensive player on the roster over 30, will Steve McLendon (31) emerge as a leader among the group?  During last season’s 5-11 debacle, McLendon carried himself like a true pro, hanging around to speak with reporters while others bailed.

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51 minutes ago, JetNation said:

From taking a peek at the forums on JetNation.com, it looks like there’s a small percentage of fans hoping to see quarterback Christian Hackenberg fail, but for the most part it’s nice to see the fan base rallying to support a young quarterback who is being trashed by the local beat writers on a regular basis.  Gotta’ get those clicks.

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11 minutes ago, JiF said:

 

The state of JetNation:

Tank for Darnold - acceptable.

"Root" for Hack to fail - unacceptable.

Yet, one cant be achieved without the other. 

It's worth remembering that they tried burning Galileo for practicing witchcraft.

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16 minutes ago, JiF said:

 

The state of JetNation:

Tank for Darnold - acceptable.

"Root" for Hack to fail - unacceptable.

Yet, one cant be achieved without the other. 

totally achievable.... Hack gets some small nagging injury and we don't play him for fear of causing major damage.

McCown sh*ts the bed for a few games gets hurt, in comes Petty who wins 2 games but then gets hurt again. We then run the wildcat/single wing the remaining 9 games exclusively and do not come close to victory....

 

easy....

 

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totally achievable.... Hack gets some small nagging injury and we don't play him for fear of causing major damage.

McCown sh*ts the bed for a few games gets hurt, in comes Petty who wins 2 games but then gets hurt again. We then run the wildcat/single wing the remaining 9 games exclusively and do not come close to victory....

 

easy....

 

Yeah but, if you're taking Darnold #1 overall, that means bye bye to Hack which means he was a failure. 

You cant have one without the other. 

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11 minutes ago, Stark said:

totally achievable.... Hack gets some small nagging injury and we don't play him for fear of causing major damage.

McCown sh*ts the bed for a few games gets hurt, in comes Petty who wins 2 games but then gets hurt again. We then run the wildcat/single wing the remaining 9 games exclusively and do not come close to victory....

 

easy....

Finally an coherent explanation of our carefully calculated off-season plan. 

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40 minutes ago, JiF said:

 

The state of JetNation:

Tank for Darnold - acceptable.

"Root" for Hack to fail - unacceptable.

Yet, one cant be achieved without the other. 

Those rooting for Hack to fail has nothing to do with rooting for the best for the Jets, and everything to do with their own agenda of being the smartest guy on the interwebz. Thats cool and all, but lets just see it for what it is.

If Hack is as bad as the experts on this board say he is, we will have a good chance at Darnold, if he plays. Remember, these experts have been preaching for over a year now that he was UNDRAFTABLE. Not that he was bad, that he doesn't belong in the NFL. So if he doesn't belong in the NFL, and these experts are right, as they always are, we should have a good chance at Darnold.

That doesn't mean you have to root for Hack to fail. You can root for him to succeed, and hope he does, while also accepting as a nice fallback position, the possibility of a high drafted QB next year.

All I want is for Hackenberg to play. I think for the Jets to go something like 6-10 with this roster, means he played very well and has potential. If he goes the expected 1-15 or 2-14, that is fine too. Worst thing we can do is have McCown take us to 6-10 or 7-9.

 

 

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1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

Think Hack is bad = unacceptable rooting against a young Jet asset, SOJ.  

Dismiss Petty as unable to beat out Hackenberg (who he beat out last year) = rational thought process of enlightened fan.

 

Thinking he is bad != being giddy every time there is a negative piece of info about Hackenberg.

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1 minute ago, NoBowles said:

Those rooting for Hack to fail has nothing to do with rooting for the best for the Jets, and everything to do with their own agenda of being the smartest guy on the interwebz. Thats cool and all, but lets just see it for what it is.

If Hack is as bad as the experts on this board say he is, we will have a good chance at Darnold, if he plays. Remember, these experts have been preaching for over a year now that he was UNDRAFTABLE. Not that he was bad, that he doesn't belong in the NFL. So if he doesn't belong in the NFL, and these experts are right, as they always are, we should have a good chance at Darnold.

That doesn't mean you have to root for Hack to fail. You can root for him to succeed, and hope he does, while also accepting as a nice fallback position, the possibility of a high drafted QB next year.

All I want is for Hackenberg to play. I think for the Jets to go something like 6-10 with this roster, means he played very well and has potential. If he goes the expected 1-15 or 2-14, that is fine too. Worst thing we can do is have McCown take us to 6-10 or 7-9.

 

 

I was actually joking, I dont think anyone wants to see Hack fail.  It's just that, well, he more than likely sucks the big one and this was predictable.  So naturally, there is going to be a large contingency of people focused on that as opposed to anything else.  And ultimately, I think the perceived hate from that group of people revolves more around Mac than it does actually wanting to see a 22 year old kid who had no control over landing with this sh*t hole team fail.  

That said, if you're rooting for a high draft pick in order to snag Darnold or Rosen or whoever, then you're directly rooting for Hack to fail because that's what it will take.  And that's cool, but lets just see it for what it is.

 

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1 hour ago, JiF said:

 

The state of JetNation:

Tank for Darnold - acceptable.

"Root" for Hack to fail - unacceptable.

Yet, one cant be achieved without the other. 

I say F-Tank for Darnold, and root yer azz off for Hackenberg. If your a Jets fan it's what you should do. If he fails then cross your fingers for a good one in the draft. But we have to give the kid his shot, just like Petty had.

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6 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

Thinking he is bad != being giddy every time there is a negative piece of info about Hackenberg.

C'mon.  That's not fair.  That's just Shane and dbates.  They are giddy about all negativity.  It is a coping mechanism. 

2 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

I say F-Tank for Darnold, and root yer azz off for Hackenberg. If your a Jets fan it's what you should do. If he fails then cross your fingers for a good one in the draft. But we have to give the kid his shot, just like Petty had.

Do you root for Petty?  Do you root for McCown?  Why is Hackenberg the choice of choosy Jets fans?

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2 minutes ago, Ex-Rex said:

I say F-Tank for Darnold, and root yer azz off for Hackenberg. If your a Jets fan it's what you should do. If he fails then cross your fingers for a good one in the draft. But we have to give the kid his shot, just like Petty had.

I personally hope Hack and Bolwes become Brady and BB. 

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I was actually joking, I dont think anyone wants to see Hack fail.  It's just that, well, he more than likely sucks the big one and this was predictable.  So naturally, there is going to be a large contingency of people focused on that as opposed to anything else.  And ultimately, I think the perceived hate from that group of people revolves more around Mac than it does actually wanting to see a 22 year old kid who had no control over landing with this sh*t hole team fail.  

That said, if you're rooting for a high draft pick in order to snag Darnold or Rosen or whoever, then you're directly rooting for Hack to fail because that's what it will take.  And that's cool, but lets just see it for what it is.

 

I disagree on both accounts. I think there are plenty of people who want to see Hack fail. I think there are plenty who think he will fail, but still want him to succeed. I fit into that group. There are a lot of people who have been so vocal about him sucking so bad, that they are vested in his failure.

This is not a black and white issue.

For me, if Hackenberg starts, I want him to surprise and be good. To me, its the best possible outcome for the Jets, even if its highly unlikely.

If Hackenberg doesn't start, and Petty starts, I want him to surprise and be good. To me, that also is the best possible outcome for the Jets, although also highly unlikely.

If McCown plays, I will openly root for the Jets to lose every game and get Darnold or Rosen, etc. McCown playing well does absolutely nothing for this franchise.

So I disagree with your premise, in that implies only 2 possibilities, of which there are more.

 

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Just now, #27TheDominator said:

C'mon.  That's not fair.  That's just Shane and dbates.  They are giddy about all negativity.  It is a coping mechanism. 

 

You may be right, that its just them, and they wipe their ass on so many threads it just seems like there are more doing it. 

I disagree that they are giddy about all negativity. They are giddy about negativity that fits THEIR agenda. They still both vehemently defend Idzik, and are incredibly hurt that the billboard went up and got him fired.

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10 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

C'mon.  That's not fair.  That's just Shane and dbates.  They are giddy about all negativity.  It is a coping mechanism. 

I've been over this. I'm giddy about negativity because the very idea of happiness burns my soul like acid. I cope by watching weird porn

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12 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

You may be right, that its just them, and they wipe their ass on so many threads it just seems like there are more doing it. 

I disagree that they are giddy about all negativity. They are giddy about negativity that fits THEIR agenda. They still both vehemently defend Idzik, and are incredibly hurt that the billboard went up and got him fired.

Stating that Idzik was comparable to Maccagnan does not equate with "vehemently defend Idzik"  In fact, it might be quite the opposite.

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16 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Do you root for Petty?  Do you root for McCown?  Why is Hackenberg the choice of choosy Jets fans?

Well, if by some miracle Hack succeeds, we are in a great position for years to come.

If McCown does well, we'll pay him $12M next year and he'll suck.

 

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40 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

People just dont get releasing Decker was about chemistry not about his abilitiy on the field

If one chose to look at this without a close mind, one could possibly see how it might be better for a young QB to develop his field awareness by having to scan the entire field for the open receiver instead of mostly looking toward a veteran receiver because he's a safety blanket  .   How would the team develop with it's QB getting to learn the moves of a completely young set of receivers and those receivers getting to learn about their QB  ?  Is it more important to develop chemistry with Decker or with 5 receivers learning from their mistakes ?

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25 minutes ago, thshadow said:

Well, if by some miracle Hack succeeds, we are in a great position for years to come.

If McCown does well, we'll pay him $12M next year and he'll suck.

 

Years to come is basically two years.  2016 red shirt.  2017 depleted roster to Fold for Darnold.  He is under contract through 2019.  After that he is Kurt Cousins.  Better than nothing. 

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36 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Stating that Idzik was comparable to Maccagnan does not equate with "vehemently defend Idzik"  In fact, it might be quite the opposite.

I'd be shocked if you don't get two positive reps for this one!!

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1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

People just dont get releasing Decker was about chemistry not about his abilitiy on the field

Per JN/the OP, cutting Decker was not a Mac move.  It was a Woody move, directly or indirectly.

I don't know what he signed for in TN, but I think he could have been useful as someone for Hack and Petty to throw to.  But you also can't ignore injury history.  If someone getting older gets injured consecutive seasons, the odds of that not happening again (which I am sure someone in the NFL knows) is pretty low.

1 hour ago, NoBowles said:

Those rooting for Hack to fail has nothing to do with rooting for the best for the Jets, and everything to do with their own agenda of being the smartest guy on the interwebz. Thats cool and all, but lets just see it for what it is.

If Hack is as bad as the experts on this board say he is, we will have a good chance at Darnold, if he plays. Remember, these experts have been preaching for over a year now that he was UNDRAFTABLE. Not that he was bad, that he doesn't belong in the NFL. So if he doesn't belong in the NFL, and these experts are right, as they always are, we should have a good chance at Darnold.

That doesn't mean you have to root for Hack to fail. You can root for him to succeed, and hope he does, while also accepting as a nice fallback position, the possibility of a high drafted QB next year.

All I want is for Hackenberg to play. I think for the Jets to go something like 6-10 with this roster, means he played very well and has potential. If he goes the expected 1-15 or 2-14, that is fine too. Worst thing we can do is have McCown take us to 6-10 or 7-9.

 

 

Hack's 2 biggest problems is that he in a bad environment for 2 years, and he was overdrafted.

If his one year of college football was his junior year, like Trubisky, he was likely a mid-1st round pick.  His freshman year was not as good as Trubisky's, but he did play a pro style offense.  

But when you look at where other QBs were picked during the last few years, compensating for his collapse you could have seen him go in rounds 3-5.  Like a Kaaya, Peterman.  Torgersen from Penn, who played in a pro style offense throwing to Ivy Leaguers, signed with the Falcons as an UDFA and will likely make the 53.  Hack is not physically superior to Torgersen.

The NFL is full of QBs who were drafted late.  Hack can have a long and successful NFL career.   He just needs time to develop-the right amount of time for him, not the amount of time people think a second round pick needs-Hack is not a real second round pick.  He is clearly better now than he was a year ago-another year will probably puts him as close as he could get, but even if the Jets draft Darnold having Hack to start off starting in 2017 or play backup is perfectly ok.

On Corey Lemonier-he went to Auburn, like Greene.  I would not rule out.  Donahue strikes me as a Rex Ryan Terminator/Tajd Boyd pick.  He does not appear to be an NFL athlete.  

 

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1 hour ago, NoBowles said:

I disagree on both accounts. I think there are plenty of people who want to see Hack fail. I think there are plenty who think he will fail, but still want him to succeed. I fit into that group. There are a lot of people who have been so vocal about him sucking so bad, that they are vested in his failure.

This is not a black and white issue.

For me, if Hackenberg starts, I want him to surprise and be good. To me, its the best possible outcome for the Jets, even if its highly unlikely.

If Hackenberg doesn't start, and Petty starts, I want him to surprise and be good. To me, that also is the best possible outcome for the Jets, although also highly unlikely.

If McCown plays, I will openly root for the Jets to lose every game and get Darnold or Rosen, etc. McCown playing well does absolutely nothing for this franchise.

So I disagree with your premise, in that implies only 2 possibilities, of which there are more.

 

The fact you truly believe that people have vested interest in being right on Hack sucking is strange but I digress.  To each their own. I'm not going to pretend like I know a posters true intent or agenda nor do I want to waste the energy caring.

Petty isnt in the equation.  He's terrible and the Jets arent interested in him starting whatsoever.  That said, if Hack cant beat out McCown.  He's failed.  So you rooting for McCown to lose every game to draft a QB high, means you're rooting for Hack to fail.   Because the second Darnold or Rosen is selected, that's the end of Hack.

 

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