Your 2017-2018 New York Knicks Thread--The Unicorn & the French Prince!!!!!

[Philc1]

4 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I'm all in on trading for Kemba. What would it take? Maybe Lee, KOQ, and taking on Marvin Williams' or MKG's contract?

And yeah yeah, patience, youth movement circle jerk, blah blah blah. Kemba is a boss and handles the Garden like a g. If you aren't a Kemba fan you don't deserve a penis. And if you're a chick then you don't deserve a metaphorical penis.

 

Agree.  Lee and O’Quinn are both expendable just stick Dotson and Noah in the rotation or play Frank more at the 2

 

 

Problem is Charlotte will ask for Frank. F that

[RutgersJetFan]

44 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

 

Agree.  Lee and O’Quinn are both expendable just stick Dotson and Noah in the rotation or play Frank more at the 2

 

 

Problem is Charlotte will ask for Frank. F that

If Charlotte wants youth then give them Willy and a protected future first (not this year's though). KP/Kantor/Kemba/Frank is a solid lineup to build around. Hell, I'll throw in Lee and KOQ too as long as the pick is protected.

If the holdup in pulling the plug on going for Kemba is Williams of MKG's contract then screw that. You absolutely take one of those guys. Williams is overpaid but he can ball.

I always get my hopes up way too much for sh*t like this, but come on. The dude is born to be a Knick and Kemba/Kantor would be one of the most likable tandems the Garden has had in a long time. Not to mention Kemba is just entering his prime right now. He's absolutely a guy worth trading for and then paying. The Knicks will have the money to do it when his contract is up too.

[Patriot Killa]

37 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

 

Agree.  Lee and O’Quinn are both expendable just stick Dotson and Noah in the rotation or play Frank more at the 2

 

 

Problem is Charlotte will ask for Frank. F that

Thing is Frank is more suited for the 1 position Bering that he is a tony parked type player. Not exactly a big offensive threat yet but he dishes assist out and plays defense hard ..Kemba is a score first PG with great handles who can hit you from any where. You’d be better off starting Frank at PG and Kemba at SG thus making them interchangeable rotation wise. Frank should not be playing 2 though...just not consistent enough of a jumper at this point in his career ..his value lies in his ability as a playmaker. 

 

9 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

If Charlotte wants youth then give them Willy and a protected future first (not this year's though). KP/Kantor/Kemba/Frank is a solid lineup to build around. Hell, I'll throw in Lee and KOQ too as long as the pick is protected.

If the holdup in pulling the plug on going for Kemba is Williams of MKG's contract then **** that. You absolutely take one of those guys. Williams is overpaid but he can ball.

I always get my hopes up way to much for sh*t like this, but come on. The dude is born to be a Knick and Kemba/Kantor would be one of the most likable tandems the Garden has had in a long ******* time. Not to mention Kemba is just entering his prime right now. He's absolutely a guy worth trading for and then paying. The Knicks will have the money to do it when his contract is up too.

And yes Courtney Lee would have to be someone you give up ..which means you won’t have much of a bench as far as the guard positions are concerned..but the starting line up should be fine and there is always room for a few quality players come FA. 

[RutgersJetFan]

14 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Thing is Frank is more suited for the 1 position Bering that he is a tony parked type player. Not exactly a big offensive threat yet but he dishes assist out and plays defense hard ..Kemba is a score first PG with great handles who can hit you from any where. You’d be better off starting Frank at PG and Kemba at SG thus making them interchangeable rotation wise. Frank should not be playing 2 though...just not consistent enough of a jumper at this point in his career ..his value lies in his ability as a playmaker. 

 

And yes Courtney Lee would have to be someone you give up ..which means you won’t have much of a bench as far as the guard positions are concerned..but the starting line up should be fine and there is always room for a few quality players come FA. 

Benches can be bought or found in one offseason. Lee and O'Quinn are the exact type of players you move in seasons like this. Valuable veterans on high value deals that can net assets.

If the Knicks were in probable contention for a playoff spot, I would say stand pat because getting your younger guys playoff experience trumps all, but I don't think it's happening this year. They're too far back and the schedule isn't getting easier over the next month. It's not worth passing up on the trade value of both those guys anymore.

[RutgersJetFan]

Also under no circumstances should the Knicks give up their 1st for 2018 for anything this upcoming deadline. The top half of the '18 lottery is legit as hell.

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Benches can be bought or found in one offseason. Lee and O'Quinn are the exact type of players you move in seasons like this. Valuable veterans on high value deals that can net assets.

If the Knicks were in probable contention for a playoff spot, I would say stand pat because getting your younger guys playoff experience trumps all, but I don't think it's happening this year. They're too far back and the schedule isn't getting easier over the next month. It's not worth passing up on the trade value of both those guys anymore.

Agree on the bench. Easily can piece together decent players for a bench in FA. I do think Kemba would change the Knicks future for the better though. Frank will have someone reliable to dish the ball to. KP will have the pressure of scoring 20 plus every night taken off of him and it will overall be a dynamic offense for a weak Eastern Conference. I love Kemba ..if my team already didn’t have a sharp shooter in CJ McCullom, i’d suggest my Blazers get him and convert him to the 2 guard position even though he isn’t very tall .. Bradly Beal isn’t either. But the Knicks really need him. Funny seeing the Cavs reach out ..think they wind up trading with the Nuggets for Gary Harris. He is more of the two way gaurs hey honestly need to fix that sh*t Defense. Don’t be surprised if you see Isaiah Thomas be the one to get trade ... but back to the Knicks .. I hope they do well. They aren’t my team but I don’t hate them. They need to finally get it right. Phil Jackson was god awful with that outdated Triangle Offense. He was out of his mind towards the end of his tenure.

[Patriot Killa]

2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Also under no circumstances should the Knicks give up their 1st for 2018 for anything this upcoming deadline. The top half of the '18 lottery is legit as hell.

Yes. Very strong class ...leading that class is a Steph Curry/Chris Paul hybrid from Oklahoma Trae Young. Also a monster center and Michael Porter JR. headlining the top 5...very top heavy draft.

[SMC]

 

 

[SMC]

16 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I'm all in on trading for Kemba. What would it take? Maybe Lee, KOQ, and taking on Marvin Williams' or MKG's contract?

And yeah yeah, patience, youth movement circle jerk, blah blah blah. Kemba is a boss and handles the Garden like a g. If you aren't a Kemba fan you don't deserve a penis. And if you're a chick then you don't deserve a metaphorical penis.

LOL, you're like a crack addict leaving a rehab center who is shown half a rock and now loses your mind

Kemba is a free agent in Summer 2019.  Yes, NEXT summer, when Knicks have $50 mil in cap space.  It is mindbogglingly stupid to trade for Kemba now.  This is chess, not checkers.  You know who else is a free agent in Summer 2019?  Kyrie.

So, rather than have another lottery pick from 2018 on the roster, an older & improved KP and Frank, along with a 1st rounder in 2019 to attract free agents when the Knicks have a huge amount of cap space, you want to throw that away for 28 yr old Kemba and lose any chance at 25 yr old Kyrie.

Have you learned NOTHING from the Melo trade?

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

19 hours ago, SMC said:

Rebounds don't equate to winning.

Grow the **** up of course they ******* do. Net possessions and convert them more efficiently and what the **** else is there. He's 7 goddamned 3 and got 2 goddamned boards in 31 minutes. He's soft and he has a dumb brain. He sucks and he is always going to suck.

[SMC]

Just now, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Grow the **** up of course they ******* do. Net possessions and convert them more efficiently and what the **** else is there. He's 7 goddamned 3 and got 2 goddamned boards in 31 minutes. He's soft and he has a dumb brain. He sucks and he is always going to suck.

Oh, STFU

[RutgersJetFan]

2 hours ago, SMC said:

LOL, you're like a crack addict leaving a rehab center who is shown half a rock and now loses your mind

Kemba is a free agent in Summer 2019.  Yes, NEXT summer, when Knicks have $50 mil in cap space.  It is mindbogglingly stupid to trade for Kemba now.  This is chess, not checkers.  You know who else is a free agent in Summer 2019?  Kyrie.

So, rather than have another lottery pick from 2018 on the roster, an older & improved KP and Frank, along with a 1st rounder in 2019 to attract free agents when the Knicks have a huge amount of cap space, you want to throw that away for 28 yr old Kemba and lose any chance at 25 yr old Kyrie.

Have you learned NOTHING from the Melo trade?

I'm gonna get a Kemba tattoo and there's nothing you can do about it.

[Patriot Killa]

2 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I'm gonna get a Kemba tattoo and there's nothing you can do about it.

Bleach report is reporting that they are engaging in talks with the Knicks as we speak.

[Patriot Killa]

4 hours ago, SMC said:

LOL, you're like a crack addict leaving a rehab center who is shown half a rock and now loses your mind

Kemba is a free agent in Summer 2019.  Yes, NEXT summer, when Knicks have $50 mil in cap space.  It is mindbogglingly stupid to trade for Kemba now.  This is chess, not checkers.  You know who else is a free agent in Summer 2019?  Kyrie.

So, rather than have another lottery pick from 2018 on the roster, an older & improved KP and Frank, along with a 1st rounder in 2019 to attract free agents when the Knicks have a huge amount of cap space, you want to throw that away for 28 yr old Kemba and lose any chance at 25 yr old Kyrie.

Have you learned NOTHING from the Melo trade?

Melo was a different player than Kemba. You guys severely need a back court that can score. And chill Kyrie isn’t going any where lol..

[Philc1]

17 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

If Charlotte wants youth then give them Willy and a protected future first (not this year's though). KP/Kantor/Kemba/Frank is a solid lineup to build around. Hell, I'll throw in Lee and KOQ too as long as the pick is protected.

If the holdup in pulling the plug on going for Kemba is Williams of MKG's contract then screw that. You absolutely take one of those guys. Williams is overpaid but he can ball.

I always get my hopes up way too much for sh*t like this, but come on. The dude is born to be a Knick and Kemba/Kantor would be one of the most likable tandems the Garden has had in a long time. Not to mention Kemba is just entering his prime right now. He's absolutely a guy worth trading for and then paying. The Knicks will have the money to do it when his contract is up too.

We’ll see what happens knicks have trade bait I agree don’t trade the pick

[Philc1]

5 hours ago, SMC said:

LOL, you're like a crack addict leaving a rehab center who is shown half a rock and now loses your mind

Kemba is a free agent in Summer 2019.  Yes, NEXT summer, when Knicks have $50 mil in cap space.  It is mindbogglingly stupid to trade for Kemba now.  This is chess, not checkers.  You know who else is a free agent in Summer 2019?  Kyrie.

So, rather than have another lottery pick from 2018 on the roster, an older & improved KP and Frank, along with a 1st rounder in 2019 to attract free agents when the Knicks have a huge amount of cap space, you want to throw that away for 28 yr old Kemba and lose any chance at 25 yr old Kyrie.

Have you learned NOTHING from the Melo trade?

The thing is if the Knicks have Kemba they can pay him more once he hits free agency.  I wouldn’t trade our first round pick nor Frank however.  If we got Kemba him and Frank would play together with Frank as the defender/table setter and Kemba as the scorer in the backcourt

[Matt39]

2 hours ago, Philc1 said:

The thing is if the Knicks have Kemba they can pay him more once he hits free agency.  I wouldn’t trade our first round pick nor Frank however.  If we got Kemba him and Frank would play together with Frank as the defender/table setter and Kemba as the scorer in the backcourt

Hardaway, Kemba and KP? OOOOF

[RutgersJetFan]

4 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Bleach report is reporting that they are engaging in talks with the Knicks as we speak.

[Patriot Killa]

4 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Actually watching the Miami/Hornets game now. Kemba is off to a hot start. He looks PISSED lol. This is how I play on 2K18 when I demand a trade to a different team lol..dude obviously has something to prove.

[Patriot Killa]

Lol ..holy sh*t man. Why does Dwight Howard look 25 years old this year. Like REALLY.

[SMC]

6 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Melo was a different player than Kemba. You guys severely need a back court that can score. And chill Kyrie isn’t going any where lol..

Yes, Melo was better when he was traded.

Traded players test the market now with the new CBA (extend & trade is dead) because the team trading for the player can't extend him for a greater amount than his original team.  NBA did away with that in an effort to halt big market teams poaching small market team star players.

So, yes, both Kemba and Kyrie will be free agents in summer 2019.

[SMC]

6 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

Bleach report is reporting that they are engaging in talks with the Knicks as we speak.

That's actually contrary to ESPN's report.  Perry hasn't called CHA about Kemba, but CHA wants Knicks involved.  So there has not been a dialogue.

[Patriot Killa]

16 minutes ago, SMC said:

Yes, Melo was better when he was traded.

Traded players test the market now with the new CBA (extend & trade is dead) because the team trading for the player can't extend him for a greater amount than his original team.  NBA did away with that in an effort to halt big market teams poaching small market team star players.

So, yes, both Kemba and Kyrie will be free agents in summer 2019.

I understand Kyrie is a FA but im saying ..he isn’t going any where. He’s got a team he can lead now instead of sitting under LBJ shadow. Plus they are the second best team in the league. 

[Matt39]

7 hours ago, Philc1 said:

The thing is if the Knicks have Kemba they can pay him more once he hits free agency.  I wouldn’t trade our first round pick nor Frank however.  If we got Kemba him and Frank would play together with Frank as the defender/table setter and Kemba as the scorer in the backcourt

Kemba isnt good though. Another high volume average efficiency guy who needs the ball and hogs the ball. Him, Hardaway and KP locked into big contracts would be a total disaster. You can find cheaper options to play guard who wont hog the ball for personal stats. It's like no ones ever watched the good teams in this league. Kemba and Hardaway? Dear god man. Might as well clear the books for Boogie Cousins to complete this sh*tshow.

[Patriot Killa]

24 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Kemba isnt good though. Another high volume average efficiency guy who needs the ball and hogs the ball. Him, Hardaway and KP locked into big contracts would be a total disaster. You can find cheaper options to play guard who wont hog the ball for personal stats. It's like no ones ever watched the good teams in this league. Kemba and Hardaway? Dear god man. Might as well clear the books for Boogie Cousins to complete this sh*tshow.

Cousins seems to be doing fine with AD and Holiday taking shots from him. ..though it helps to have a PG in Rondo who doesn’t have to do anything but feed those three the ball.

[SMC]

3 hours ago, Patriot Killa said:

I understand Kyrie is a FA but im saying ..he isn’t going any where. He’s got a team he can lead now instead of sitting under LBJ shadow. Plus they are the second best team in the league. 

You're correct on all that BUT, Kyrie had the Knicks on his list of trade destinations, he's from the area (just like Kemba) and his father is a Knicks fan.  Knicks will be able to pitch him the Summer 2019, even if he returns to Celtics.  Don't sleep on his Knicks connection.

[SMC]

Read this ******* paragraph:

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What has been most impressive about this has been his ability to shoulder an increased offensive load while remain an elite rim protector. His 289 blocks through his first 150 games played is only second in franchise history to Ewing (316). Porzingis is also one of 12 players to have more than 2,500 points and 250 blocks over that stretch joining the likes of Ewing, Tim Duncan, Shaquille O’Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, Alonzo Mourning, David Robinson, and Ralph Sampson.

 

[Matt39]

6 hours ago, SMC said:

Read this ******* paragraph:

 

The points are irrelevant when you consider his TS%. He gets to shoot a lot, great.

defensively he’s Shawn Bradley, which is fine. But that’s a part time player. 

[SMC]

4 hours ago, Matt39 said:

The points are irrelevant when you consider his TS%. He gets to shoot a lot, great.

defensively he’s Shawn Bradley, which is fine. But that’s a part time player. 

[Matt39]

32 minutes ago, SMC said:

Weak rebounder, good shot blocker. That’s exactly what Bradley was. (He was actually a better shot blocker)

I see Porzingis as a part time20-25 min specialist type player in the long run. 3 point guy/defense rim protector/shot blocker. He still struggles with fouls and he’s winded easily. I don’t see how this is remotely controversial. Pumping him up as if he’s some all star/the future /unicorn is pure negligence by Knicks fans.

[RutgersJetFan]

Re: Some trades

I would love to see us make a play for Mirotic but every time we have made a deal with Chicago they seem to swindle us.

Detroit seems keen on making the playoffs this year. I'd definitely see if we can get Stanley Johnson or a first rounder for Lee and maybe KOQ or something. Just don't get suckered into taking on Leuer's contract.

I think my biggest fear is we get lured into Fournier. He's on a bad contract and is simply too streaky. The Knicks have some seriously valuable assets on the roster this season and it's a big opportunity. With the roster falling back down to earth as the schedule kicked in, I think it would be a colossal mistake if they didn't capitalize on it.

[SMC]

7 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Weak rebounder, good shot blocker. That’s exactly what Bradley was. (He was actually a better shot blocker)

I see Porzingis as a part time20-25 min specialist type player in the long run. 3 point guy/defense rim protector/shot blocker. He still struggles with fouls and he’s winded easily. I don’t see how this is remotely controversial. Pumping him up as if he’s some all star/the future /unicorn is pure negligence by Knicks fans.

This take is stupid on many levels. 

Part time specialist?  LOL.  He's Gobert good on defense and can shoot the ball.  Foul trouble?  He's only fouled out once this season.  The "fans" aren't pumping him up.  His game is.  That's why the players voted him to be a starter.  Are they being negligent?

[SMC]

7 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Re: Some trades

I would love to see us make a play for Mirotic but every time we have made a deal with Chicago they seem to swindle us.

Detroit seems keen on making the playoffs this year. I'd definitely see if we can get Stanley Johnson or a first rounder for Lee and maybe KOQ or something. Just don't get suckered into taking on Leuer's contract.

I think my biggest fear is we get lured into Fournier. He's on a bad contract and is simply too streaky. The Knicks have some seriously valuable assets on the roster this season and it's a big opportunity. With the roster falling back down to earth as the schedule kicked in, I think it would be a colossal mistake if they didn't capitalize on it.

Knicks will definitely be sellers at the trade deadline.  They're not taking on bad contracts though in return

[Matt39]

4 minutes ago, SMC said:

  He's Gobert good on defense and can shoot the ball.  

oh my god come on lol

 

 

[Matt39]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/kristaps-porzingis-is-doing-his-best-carmelo-anthony-impression/