Colts star RB Jonathan Taylor has requested a trade

[Larz]

 

 

[pointman]

I'd be interested

 

if it was Edgerrin James. 

[TuscanyTile2]

The funny thing is that Breece Hall is a major difference-maker for the Jets.  We were a different team after he was hurt.  Of course, AVT was hurt the same game and that affected things a lot too.  But Breece was still a very critical piece of our offense.

[BCJet]

The thing that Im struggling to understand with respect to the RB market is the question of "are these guys really underpaid?"  I really think its on a case by case basis versus an overall issue with the position.

Take Saquan - the Giants werent offering 3 years for $15 - they probably would have been good at 3 years $30 with $20 guaranteed.  I get that isnt what Derrick Henry got but its not "nothing".  

Jonathan Taylor allegedly wants $16 per year - well thats not going to happen, but are teams really not willing to offer him 4 years and $40 with $25 guaranteed? Is that not enough?  I find it hard to believe that if the bears can give Cole Kmet $40 million they cant find $40 million for Jonathan Taylor (if they were to trade for him).

The RBs that have a real gripe are the guys like Isiah Pachenko who are gonna make $800K a year for 4 years while the Chiefs run them into the ground and will likely never be able to truly cash in.  That part I get but overall im not completely sure why these guys arent ok with $20+ in guarantees?

What am I missing?

[Hal]

3 minutes ago, BCJet said:

The thing that Im struggling to understand with respect to the RB market is the question of "are these guys really underpaid?"  I really think its on a case by case basis versus an overall issue with the position.

Take Saquan - the Giants werent offering 3 years for $15 - they probably would have been good at 3 years $30 with $20 guaranteed.  I get that isnt what Derrick Henry got but its not "nothing".  

Jonathan Taylor allegedly wants $16 per year - well thats not going to happen, but are teams really not willing to offer him 4 years and $40 with $25 guaranteed? Is that not enough?  I find it hard to believe that if the bears can give Cole Kmet $40 million they cant find $40 million for Jonathan Taylor (if they were to trade for him).

The RBs that have a real gripe are the guys like Isiah Pachenko who are gonna make $800K a year for 4 years while the Chiefs run them into the ground and will likely never be able to truly cash in.  That part I get but overall im not completely sure why these guys arent ok with $20+ in guarantees?

What am I missing?

Agreed.   Those 5th rounders who do well don’t ever get paid.  

[neckdemon]

20 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

Kids are not going to want to play RB anymore.  

yes they are. its the position in youth football that does the most on offense

[32EBoozer]

9 hours ago, Hal said:

Agreed.   Those 5th rounders who do well don’t ever get paid.  

Rhamondre Stevenson put up 1,460 all-purpose yds. with a 5.0 yd avg rushing and 69 receptions. BB will run him into the ground this year with how bad Mac Jones is.

[BornJetsFan1983]

15 hours ago, BCJet said:

The thing that Im struggling to understand with respect to the RB market is the question of "are these guys really underpaid?"  I really think its on a case by case basis versus an overall issue with the position.

Take Saquan - the Giants werent offering 3 years for $15 - they probably would have been good at 3 years $30 with $20 guaranteed.  I get that isnt what Derrick Henry got but its not "nothing".  

Jonathan Taylor allegedly wants $16 per year - well thats not going to happen, but are teams really not willing to offer him 4 years and $40 with $25 guaranteed? Is that not enough?  I find it hard to believe that if the bears can give Cole Kmet $40 million they cant find $40 million for Jonathan Taylor (if they were to trade for him).

The RBs that have a real gripe are the guys like Isiah Pachenko who are gonna make $800K a year for 4 years while the Chiefs run them into the ground and will likely never be able to truly cash in.  That part I get but overall im not completely sure why these guys arent ok with $20+ in guarantees?

What am I missing?

Well also the cba is so bad for them.

 

[bonkertons]

On 7/29/2023 at 8:42 PM, Matt39 said:

Not overly delicate but he’s saying everyone’s replaceable, which is true.

lol sure, it's just random af though.  It's the equivalent of your teacher asking you to hand in your homework and instead you respond with "we're all just a spec of dust floating in space".  

[Maxta_p]

Johnathan Taylor has repeatedly failed his physicals this year but wants more money.

[Maxta_p]

3 minutes ago, Maxta_p said:

Johnathan Taylor has repeatedly failed his physicals this year but wants more money.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38103573/colts-rb-jonathan-taylor-reported-back-pain-pre-camp-physical-source-says

[#27TheDominator]

17 hours ago, Hal said:

Agreed.   Those 5th rounders who do well don’t ever get paid.  

Getting paid might be a bit far, but the last couple of CBAs did consider players in that position.  Proven Performance Escalators apply for players drafted in the 2nd through 7th rounds that play a certain percentage of snaps in their first 3 years, or over 2 of their 1st 3 years.  There are tiers for pro bowls too.  That's why a guy like Devin Singletary got a bump from $900K to $2.5M or so in year 4.  Same with Gabe Davis for this year.  It's not a huge pay day, but it is a significant jump and should apply to a guy like Pacheco.  

They have been in place for the last 2 CBA, but did not apply to 2nd rounders until the new one.  The Jets have drafted so poorly that we rarely hear about it.  I think it applied for Jordan Jenkins and Brian Winters IIRC.  It is not big money, but it is more than a double bump of salary for guys in the lower tier, so not insignificant.  It does not apply for UDFA, but they negotiate actual contracts unlike the monopolized draft system and have some protections with the tender amounts.