Darth Vader Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Against Top Competition 2002 Georgia Tech: 10/23, 73 yards, 0TD/2INT - 9 car, 24 yards Auburn: 11/22, 120 yards, 0TD/2INT Florida: 10/26, 94 yards, 0TD/2INT Georgia: 10/20, 158 yards, 0TD/0INT - 13 car, 63 yards, TD 2003 Auburn: 10/20, 121 yards, 1TD/0INT Georgia Tech: 14/27, 185 yards, 0TD/1INT - 15 car, 61 yards Georgia: 10/17, 86 yards, 1TD/1INT - 15 car, 64 yards Florida: 18/38, 189 yards, 2TD/4INT Tennessee: 9/25, 66 yards, 0TD/2INT 2004 Georgia: 12/22, 133 yards, 0TD/0INT LSU: 10/20, 111 yards, 0TD/0INT Tennessee: 22/33, 314 yards, 3TD/2INT 2005 LSU: 11/32, 113 yards, 0TD/2INT Georgia: 15/28, 174 yards, 1TD/1INT South Carolina: 27/49, 339 yards, 1TD/1INT Florida: 28/42, 361 yards, 4TD/2INT thoughts? is this deceiving in any way? EDIT: please, just to pre-empt, Tennessee was emphatically NOT even good last year, so let's not screw with this listing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensince69 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Basically Vandy Sucked. When your recivers cannot get seperation and your team has to play catch up in most games you are going to be working at an extreme handicap. We can argue all the pro's and Con's we want but only 3 opinions really matter here, Mangini's Tannie's and Shottie Jr. If they have checked him out, like what they see, and draft him it is good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Against Top Competition 2002 Georgia Tech: 10/23, 73 yards, 0TD/2INT - 9 car, 24 yards Auburn: 11/22, 120 yards, 0TD/2INT Florida: 10/26, 94 yards, 0TD/2INT Georgia: 10/20, 158 yards, 0TD/0INT - 13 car, 63 yards, TD 2003 Auburn: 10/20, 121 yards, 1TD/0INT Georgia Tech: 14/27, 185 yards, 0TD/1INT - 15 car, 61 yards Georgia: 10/17, 86 yards, 1TD/1INT - 15 car, 64 yards Florida: 18/38, 189 yards, 2TD/4INT Tennessee: 9/25, 66 yards, 0TD/2INT 2004 Georgia: 12/22, 133 yards, 0TD/0INT LSU: 10/20, 111 yards, 0TD/0INT Tennessee: 22/33, 314 yards, 3TD/2INT 2005 LSU: 11/32, 113 yards, 0TD/2INT Georgia: 15/28, 174 yards, 1TD/1INT South Carolina: 27/49, 339 yards, 1TD/1INT Florida: 28/42, 361 yards, 4TD/2INT thoughts? is this deceiving in any way? EDIT: please, just to pre-empt, Tennessee was emphatically NOT even good last year, so let's not screw with this listing. All I see is that this kid is a INT Machine,looks like he averages 2 int a game. if we draft him, we are done back to being a door matt.And people Rather cutler over Vince ,I just don't see it or get it, stats don't lie .VY stats are supergreat compared to this kid and he Was in a stronger Div. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted April 11, 2006 Author Share Posted April 11, 2006 Basically Vandy Sucked. When your recivers cannot get seperation and your team has to play catch up in most games you are going to be working at an extreme handicap. We can argue all the pro's and Con's we want but only 3 opinions really matter here, Mangini's Tannie's and Shottie Jr. If they have checked him out, like what they see, and draft him it is good enough for me. there are both pros and cons to be drawn from this. don't get defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 All I see is that this kid is a INT Machine,looks like he averages 2 int a game. if we draft him, we are done back to being a door matt.And people Rather cutler over Vince ,I just don't see it or get it, stats don't lie .VY stats are supergreat compared to this kid and he Was in a stronger Div. How were Danny Wuerffel's stats in college? I think they were ok. Put Cutler on Texas & Young on Vandy & we're not having this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 All I see is that this kid is a INT Machine,looks like he averages 2 int a game. if we draft him, we are done I agree with that. You definitely don't want your QB averaging 2 picks a game in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 stats don't lie indeed Pass attempts per INT - Career Leinart - 58 Cutler - 55 Young - 32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 indeed Pass attempts per INT - Career Leinart - 58 Cutler - 55 Young - 32 hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bman Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 looking at those stats is rediculous... Do you know how many Florida /MiamiQB's have had AMAZING STATS and have SUCKED if dtafted at all... Steve Walsh Gino Toretta Danny Weurfall... Cutler is strong, tough and has a gun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 indeed Pass attempts per INT - Career Leinart - 58 Cutler - 55 Young - 32 Yeah, But look at the defenses Vince went up against and the ones cutler went up against ,different ball game bit,just MO .If you look at cutler all you see is INT's in big games v.s. top teams ,can you see what is going to happen when this kid goes up against a good D he'll start throwing INT's all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Pass attempts per INT - Career Leinart - 58 Cutler - 55 Young - 32 Also, you can expect your QB to throw a lot more int's when he's playing from behind as often as Cutler had to. Considering the circumstances each of these guys played in, I'd say Cutler has the least to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 looking at those stats is rediculous... Do you know how many Florida /MiamiQB's have had AMAZING STATS and have SUCKED if dtafted at all... Steve Walsh Gino Toretta Danny Weurfall... Cutler is strong, tough and has a gun... Vinny Testaverde. I'm just sayin'.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Yeah, But look at the defenses Vince went up against and the ones cutler went up against ,different ball game bit yeah exactly Vince Young played in the POS Big 12 and the toughest team he played was Colorado. USC's defense was horrible last year. Cutler played in the SEC arguably the toughest conference in football every year. He played Georgia in Athens. he played LSU. he played Tennessee and Florida. Cmon bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Vinny Testaverde. I'm just sayin'.... LOL. I'd nominate that for POTW, but seeing as how you are ineligible......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderbirdJet Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Old arguement, and getting very stale. Cutler played on a **** team with no talent. Lienart played on a great team, with a ton of talent, on offense anyway. Saying Leinart will bust because he was surrounded by NFL caliber talent is as silly as saying Cutler will bust because his team didn't own the SEC. you don't draft the TEAM, you draft the player. how many players from Vandy were invited to the combine? How many from Tenn and USC went to the combine? lame arguement..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Vader Posted April 11, 2006 Author Share Posted April 11, 2006 Old arguement, and getting very stale. Cutler played on a **** team with no talent. Lienart played on a great team, with a ton of talent, on offense anyway. Saying Leinart will bust because he was surrounded by NFL caliber talent is as silly as saying Cutler will bust because his team didn't own the SEC. you don't draft the TEAM, you draft the player. how many players from Vandy were invited to the combine? How many from Tenn and USC went to the combine? lame arguement..... who's argument in particular are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bman Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 bottom line is no one knows! if any here ACTUALLY knew, then they would have a job in the NFL.. I will never forget the many many people screaming for the Jets to draft Shazur! he was never even drafted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F Miami Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Basically Vandy Sucked. When your recivers cannot get seperation and your team has to play catch up in most games you are going to be working at an extreme handicap. We can argue all the pro's and Con's we want but only 3 opinions really matter here, Mangini's Tannie's and Shottie Jr. If they have checked him out, like what they see, and draft him it is good enough for me. Agree 100%. He was playing some really good teams in SEC and he had no one to throw to. As for the INT's, when you're playing catch-up like you said, you're forced to throw the ball a lot more which leads to more INT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 yeah exactly Vince Young played in the POS Big 12 and the toughest team he played was Colorado. USC's defense was horrible last year. Cutler played in the SEC arguably the toughest conference in football every year. He played Georgia in Athens. he played LSU. he played Tennessee and Florida. Cmon bro. How did Young perform at Ohio State? And how did Young perform on the biggest stage of college football last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillie Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Jay Cutler is all "Combine Hype". He'll be the bust of this year's draft and the team that takes him will regret it. Please don't let it be the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillie Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 How did Young perform at Ohio State? And how did Young perform on the biggest stage of college football last year? Patty - Make you a deal. We'll draft Vince at #4 and trade him, our #29 and our #32 for Tom Brady. What d'ya say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Patty - Make you a deal. We'll draft Vince at #4 and trade him, our #29 and our #32 for Tom Brady. What d'ya say? Willie, I have said from day one, the Jets would make a huge mistake drafting Lienart, Cutler or Young, and I still stand by that. My last post was in reference to bit's comments that Young played in the "POS Big 12" (which I probably would agree). But he performed big time in big games. Again, Jets need to go D'Brick or Mario Williams at #4, or trade down. And then grab Mangold with the #29 pick. Good teams in the NFL are built through the OLine and DLine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillie Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Willie, I have said from day one, the Jets would make a huge mistake drafting Lienart, Cutler or Young, and I still stand by that. My last post was in reference to bit's comments that Young played in the "POS Big 12" (which I probably would agree). But he performed big time in big games. Again, Jets need to go D'Brick or Mario Williams at #4, or trade down. And then grab Mangold with the #29 pick. Good teams in the NFL are built through the OLine and DLine. Patty - Just messing with ya. I like your choices. I'd go with Mario or Hawk at #4. Mangold a good choice at #29 or 32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phinsuck Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 All I see is that this kid is a INT Machine,looks like he averages 2 int a game. if we draft him, we are done back to being a door matt.And people Rather cutler over Vince ,I just don't see it or get it, stats don't lie .VY stats are supergreat compared to this kid and he Was in a stronger Div. Cutler played on a team full of nobodies. I think it's debateable Young or Cutler. Only one running quarterback coming out of college has been a bust, Akili Smith and he wasn't even a good athlete to begin with. Young is a much better athlete than Akili Smith ever was so I don't see the comparison there. Many pure pocket passers have been busts. Leaf, Couch, McNown etc. We need to draft either Cutler or Young though. We may never get another chance to get a franchise qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 We need to draft either Cutler or Young though. We may never get another chance to get a franchise qb. That is completely stupid. Wait until the 6th round and then grab a franchise QB. It's really not that hard. It worked pretty good elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phinsuck Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 That is completely stupid. Wait until the 6th round and then grab a franchise QB. It's really not that hard. It worked pretty good elsewhere. I hope you're joking. Forget about Ferguson and Mangold, there will be other offensive linemen who are just as good if not better that come out of this draft. Take Cutler at 4. I know I know, it's so easy to find a franchise qb in Round 6. Travis Lulay and Ingle Martin have hall-of-fame written all over them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 LOL. I'd nominate that for POTW, but seeing as how you are ineligible......... Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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