AFJF Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Just a thought. Maybe with his speed and instincts he'd be able to make more plays when he's not getting hit by an OG or OC on every play. Vilma to OLB and Hobson to ILB? Like I said..just a thought. Im tired of this defense get hammered and Vilma unable to make big plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 wouldnt hurt to try...HOBSON is 20 lbs heavier..maybe he could take on the LINEMAN better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Vilma IMO should be on the outside where can utilize his speed and his coverage ability better and not have to take on so many blockers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted November 9, 2006 Author Share Posted November 9, 2006 Nice to see Im not alone on this one...he's just not getting the opportunity to make plays right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cant Hackett Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Vilma IMO should be on the outside where can utilize his speed and his coverage ability better and not have to take on so many blockers. Agreed, he should be a OLB with his speed. He could be HOF on the outside, not in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 So you guys want to start rebuilding our D by trading our best defensive player? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 It is not trading Vilma- it is moving him outside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 It is not trading Vilma- it is moving him outside I just realized that lol. Now i look silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 So you guys want to start rebuilding our D by trading our best defensive player? LOL Looks like your college education is really paying off when it comes to reading comprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Looks like your college education is really paying off when it comes to reading comprehension. At least i admit when i make a mistake unlike you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Just a thought. Maybe with his speed and instincts he'd be able to make more plays when he's not getting hit by an OG or OC on every play. Vilma to OLB and Hobson to ILB? Like I said..just a thought. Im tired of this defense get hammered and Vilma unable to make big plays. He's not getting hit by a OG or OC on every play. I've seen him get pasted by a FB on at least a few plays. I don't have anything against moving him, but I don't think he's any great shakes in coverage. Personally, I'd rather start tailoring the D to the guys we're going to keep. If not it's never going to get any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireJet38 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Looks like your college education is really paying off when it comes to reading comprehension. I can't believe they selected Tom Berringer to play Bear Bryant for that film on texas a&m...were you disturbed by that? Or did you just roll with it beacuse he was jake taylor in major leauge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steJMike Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Who is that babe in your sig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireJet38 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Who is that babe in your sig? hahahahahahahahaha, I'll leave that to you to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 hahahahahahahahaha, I'll leave that to you to find out. Dire, Please stop stirring up crap on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steJMike Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Dire, Please stop stirring up crap on the board. I don't get it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 hahahahahahahahaha, I'll leave that to you to find out. i see where ya stole th epix from...LOL... who is she...it says anafrontpage.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I don't get it ? I'm in enough trouble here, or I would tell you. I'm just trying to keep BZ off my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireJet38 Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 i see where ya stole th epix from...LOL... who is she...it says anafrontpage.. haven't been over there in a coons age. randomly get a half naked chick in an email... pricelss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 ok lets get back on topic guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sure move vilma to the outside or to the cowboys, I don't really care yeah so anyway she's a hottie. onthefrontpage is kinda of a weird last name although I wouldn't kick her outta bed for it on an unrelated matter, can someone please explain why coons age = a long time ago? are there no young coons? thank you in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steJMike Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I'm in enough trouble here, or I would tell you. I'm just trying to keep BZ off my case. Because of all the Sensitivity I went to another board and figured it out. Not sure what the big deal was but anyway. You leave Vilma were he is at and let him learn the system I think he is overrated anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quietjets Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 wow... that is most ridiculous notion I have ever heard.... Playing Vilma outside? He will be a laughingstock... That is why Jets have Barton inside. 3-4 OLB requires to be a big and athleticism to perform properly. 3-4 ILB requires to have good instricts, position to position run stopping and tackling skill, and Size is not mattered but the bigger, the better. Unfortunately, Hobson is not that athletic. Vilma at OLB? ha... he does not have all tools to be one. the combination of weak coverage skill and poor pass rushing is a bad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 on an unrelated matter, can someone please explain why coons age = a long time ago? are there no young coons? It actually refers to raccoons. The expression "in a coon's age" dates to the early 1800s, and to the folk belief that raccoons are long-lived. My pal Colibri of the Straight Dope Science Advisory Board says, "References differ, but a wild individual raccoon might live up to 5 to 7 years (average survival being much lower, though, probably 2-3 years), and in captivity they can live up to 14-17 years. So their lifespan is comparable to that of a dog." In the early 1800s, it's doubtful if anyone knew how long raccoons actually lived, and two to three years in the wild is not really very long. But raccoon fur is hardy and reasonably durable, which might have given rise to the belief of longevity. Many slang terms use the term "coon" to mean raccoon. Their black eye-mask and nocturnal habits suggest anthropomorphic parallels, so we get the term "coon" meaning to steal or pilfer, for instance. The word also was used in the 1830s to mean a rustic, a country-bumpkin. In 1840, the coon was the figurehead of the Whig Party. (Where are the Whigs now when we need them?) Unfortunately, many of those negative stereotypes were applied to black people, hence the derogatory term "coon," first used in the 1850s but more commonly heard after 1890. Some etymologists speculate that the term was used because of the raccoon's dark coloring rather than its real or imagined behavior. Whatever the case, the usage is highly offensive today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Vilma IMO should be on the outside where can utilize his speed and his coverage ability better and not have to take on so many blockers. Faba, no way would that work. Look at your prototypical 3-4 OLB, they're the size of 4-3 DEs. Vilma would get eaten alive by those offensive tackles, quite possibly literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Faba, no way would that work. Look at your prototypical 3-4 OLB, they're the size of 4-3 DEs. Vilma would get eaten alive by those offensive tackles, quite possibly literally. I am assuming the use of a 4-3 defense in my scenerio. My idea is let him be a rover type player to maximize his speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steJMike Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Vilma is a great down field tackler he makes nice tackles once the running back already gains 7-10 yds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Vilma is a great down field tackler he makes nice tackles once the running back already gains 7-10 yds. So like I have been saying all along, he would make a great safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steJMike Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 So like I have been saying all along, he would make a great safety. No he needs to make tackles at or near the line of scrimage. Hopefully it starts this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BwanaZulia Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 No way. Vilma is way too good to let go. Please don't give away one of the hardest working and biggest playmakers on our team. BZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 No way. Vilma is way too good to let go. Please don't give away one of the hardest working and biggest playmakers on our team. BZ no one is talking about getting rid of him....just about movin him outside.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 wow... that is most ridiculous notion I have ever heard.... Playing Vilma outside? He will be a laughingstock... That is why Jets have Barton inside. 3-4 OLB requires to be a big and athleticism to perform properly. 3-4 ILB requires to have good instricts, position to position run stopping and tackling skill, and Size is not mattered but the bigger, the better. Unfortunately, Hobson is not that athletic. Vilma at OLB? ha... he does not have all tools to be one. the combination of weak coverage skill and poor pass rushing is a bad news. Agreed 3-4 OLB's are usually converted 4-3 DE's. They usually weigh in the 255-270 range. Vilma is 230 soaking wet. If everyone thinks he's having a hard time shedding 290 pound OG's then I would love to hear their thoughts on how he's going to shed 320 pound OT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Agreed 3-4 OLB's are usually converted 4-3 DE's. They usually weigh in the 255-270 range. Vilma is 230 soaking wet. If everyone thinks he's having a hard time shedding 290 pound OG's then I would love to hear their thoughts on how he's going to shed 320 pound OT's. maybe the thinking since he is merely occupying 290lbs, he could move over & occupy 30 more lbs. with the same results? more bang per lb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I am assuming the use of a 4-3 defense in my scenerio. My idea is let him be a rover type player to maximize his speed. ...but if they are going to play 4-3 can't he just play the middle? He made the pro bowl as a 4-3 middle lb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Vilma has no place in the 3-4, never will. And he doesnt have a big enuff frame to add the needed muscle and still be a quick backer. Down the line, sooner or later, it will be either switch back to the 4-3, or trade Vilma. I prefer keeping our 24 yr old probowl MLB and switching back to the 4-3, but maybe I am stupid like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 Vilma has no place in the 3-4, never will. And he doesnt have a big enuff frame to add the needed muscle and still be a quick backer. Down the line, sooner or later, it will be either switch back to the 4-3, or trade Vilma. I prefer keeping our 24 yr old probowl MLB and switching back to the 4-3, but maybe I am stupid like that. Mangini won't switch to a base 4-3 and he shouldn't. He's seen nothing but success in the 3-4 system. We aren't making a Super Bowl run this year. Let the guys get settled in and let's add some more horses to the stable this offseason. I would honestly trade Vilma but only if he gets us a late 1st/early 2nd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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