124 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I've watched the youtube highlights and I've also watched a few games of theirs last year (my brother in law is a BC alum and tends to dominate the remote on football saturdays). I think he is a decent QB, but he will never be an elite NFL pro. If we take him at 6 I won't be devastated, but trading the entire draft for him is sheer lunacy. Fair enough. I've seen enough Arkansas and Ohio State games to tell you McFadden is an NFL Bust and Gholston is an NFL John Abraham. Three sacks one game, two in the next 4-6 games. Just the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Grow a pair? How about grow a pair and admit that Tom Brady actually is a GREAT Quarterback and that the players still had to execute on the field. Lets not turn this into a Patriot thread, but you're ridiculous if you think they used videotaping in every game, every year. Also, coaches back from the 1960's to now we're doing this. Whatever, its over now in my eyes. Grow a pair? Get real. No way, you have to be joking here. You think Brady is a great QB ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 No way, you have to be joking here. You think Brady is a great QB ? Stats don't lie. He made Bill Belichick the winner he is and has three Super Bowl rings, a league MVP, two Super Bowl MVP's and multiple Pro Bowl's to show for it. Not to mention he has completely dominated our organization since Day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Stats don't lie. He made Bill Belichick the winner he is and has three Super Bowl rings, a league MVP, two Super Bowl MVP's and multiple Pro Bowl's to show for it. Not to mention he has completely dominated our organization since Day 1. I was busting your balls on that one. Brady is arguably TOP 3 QB's off all-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY JET 29 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 No way, you have to be joking here. You think Brady is a great QB ? Without Brady Belli wouldn't have a job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Fair enough. I've seen enough Arkansas and Ohio State games to tell you McFadden is an NFL Bust and Gholston is an NFL John Abraham. Three sacks one game, two in the next 4-6 games. Just the way it is. I am not on McFadden's jock at all. In fact, I have said many times that Mendenhall is the best overall back in this draft. That being said, McFadden could fit in quite well for us since he wouldn't be bearing the brunt of the load. Jones gets the majority of the carries, Washington plays the Kevin Faulk 3rd down role, and McFadden gets his share of plays drawn up and designed for him to excel at what he does best. I agree he'd get killed shouldering the whole load, but he's a HR threat that our O desperately needs. As for Gholston, I much prefer Long. That being said, most "sack specialists" are streaky. I had no problem with Jon Abe the player, I had a problem with Jon Abe the lazy drunkard. If Gholston is Abe minus the laziness and drinking then I'll take him any day of the week. We need guys who can sack opposing QB's on D and guys who can bust open big plays on O. Of those two tasks our team is completely devoid of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sorry Guys got to call BS on this one. Two reason. It just doesn't make any sense. I like Clemens, but in all honesty, he had that deer in the headlights look last season. Ryan? Who knows he may be a good QB in time, but I honestly don't ever see him being a star QB. I really think Clemens has more upside then Ryan. If they were to do this trade after passing on Cuttler 2 years ago, I would lose all faith in Tangini. Not to mention the fact that they would probably turn a 10-6 into another 4-12, and lose their jobs after spending all that money. As secretive as this FO is, if these leaks were on the part of the other teams, the deal would be off immediately. If the leaks were from the Jets, half the FO would be fired tomorrow. Can't say what the reason might be, but I strongly suspect these leaks were created by Tangini for some ulterior motive Nope, not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Without Brady Belli wouldn't have a job. I was being SARCASTIC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sorry Boozer, but no thanks on paying 6th overall $ to a Running Back who would be a glorified Brad Smith. If we're going to draft him, he needs to shoulder the load with 15-20 carries a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sorry Guys got to call BS on this one. Two reason. It just doesn't make any sense. I like Clemens, but in all honesty, he had that deer in the headlights look last season. Ryan? Who knows he may be a good QB in time, but I honestly don't ever see him being a star QB. I really think Clemens has more upside then Ryan. If they were to do this trade after passing on Cuttler 2 years ago, I would lose all faith in Tangini. Not to mention the fact that they would probably turn a 10-6 into another 4-12, and lose their jobs after spending all that money. As secretive as this FO is, if these leaks were on the part of the other teams, the deal would be off immediately. If the leaks were from the Jets, half the FO would be fired tomorrow. Can't say what the reason might be, but I strongly suspect these leaks were created by Tangini for some ulterior motive Nope, not going to happen. Agreed. It is by far the dumbest trade rumor I have heard in years. I'm just in pure shock that people actually think it would be good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis Martin 28 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 A rumor out of Baltimore By Dan Leberfeld Posted Apr 22, 2008 There are rumors emanating from the Baltimore Ravens complex about a potential Chad Pennington trade. The rumor is based on the Jets picking Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan with the sixth pick of the first round. If the Jets pick Ryan, according to the rumor, which can't be substantiated, the Jets would then trade Pennington to the Ravens. What the Jets would get in return from the Ravens is unclear. Perhaps a second round pick. It's no secret that the Jets are in love with the BC quarterback, and if he is available at six, there is a very good chance they would take him. The only problem with this scenario is where it would leave the Jets in 2008. If the team had Kellen Clemens and Ryan as their top two quarterbacks, they would be very inexperienced at the position. Clemens looked very raw during his starting stint in 2007, and Ryan would obviously be a rookie. Considering how much money the Jets spent bringing in new players this off-season, it would stand to reason they wouldn't want a young, raw quarterback ruining their dreams for 2008. That is why many people have theorized that a seasoned veteran like Pennington is the best quarterback for the Jets in 2008. But if the Jets make this trade, they would obviously be theorizing that Clemens is going to improve significantly in 2008, or Ryan has the potential to succeed as a rookie starter http://nyj.scout.com/2/748714.html I hope it's not just a rumor. We need to draft Matt Ryan and get rid of Chad. I would give away Chad for a toothpick, but I'll settle with a 2nd-rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Nooooooooooo please nooooo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Nooooooooooo please nooooo... Oh christ. Now this thread is screwed. Everyone move to the Chatroom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Nooooooooooo please nooooo... I see where your coming from, but your on McFadden's nuts a little too much bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sorry Boozer, but no thanks on paying 6th overall $ to a Running Back who would be a glorified Brad Smith. If we're going to draft him, he needs to shoulder the load with 15-20 carries a game. Which I agree with. My point is we would be better of as a team taking a guy who can break a big one at any moment or a guy who can change the game defensively and take the chance that Kellen is a much better QB with time and a solid running game. I laugh at these deer in headlights references to Kellen-did everybody forget how atrociously poor our OL was? It was arguably one of the worst in the history of the league. Even with that terrible OL, Clemens showed some good promise in a couple very tough games (BAL and PIT most notably). How can anyone possibly say definitively that Clemens is aweful withou at least giving him a fair shot to play behind even a subpar but not atrocious OL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Grow a pair? How about grow a pair and admit that Tom Brady actually is a GREAT Quarterback and that the players still had to execute on the field. Lets not turn this into a Patriot thread, but you're ridiculous if you think they used videotaping in every game, every year. Also, coaches back from the 1960's to now we're doing this. Whatever, its over now in my eyes. Grow a pair? Get real. Hey I never said Tom Brady wasn't a GREAT QB, but it seems like you're hyperventilating over the Patriots. Now Im not very technical like the majority of you on this board, nor am I a guru of some sort, but I can see weakness when it fonts. At this rate you should turn in your Green Pass and hop on the next thing smoking to NE, if you're going to bitch and moan about the Pats and their rings. Now, Im no advocate of blind support, but Jesus atleast show some faith in your team instead of driving yourself nuts thinking about the next team in our division. Matt Ryan, your boy, is overrated. We cannot waste a #6 pick on him. I'd much rather use the #6 pick on DMC [ or God Forbid Gholston], but drafting a QB that high is idiotic, when many sources have claimed that he isnt the best QB in the draft. Let's not start the trend of bad drafts again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I see where your coming from, but your on McFadden's nuts a little too much bud. Whys that? he smy favorite college football player.. and to have him playfor my favorite nfl team... cmon even u can see why I would want him on the jets that bad... besides giving us a playmaker.. something we dont have... leon washington dont count..hes not that good.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Which I agree with. My point is we would be better of as a team taking a guy who can break a big one at any moment or a guy who can change the game defensively and take the chance that Kellen is a much better QB with time and a solid running game. I laugh at these deer in headlights references to Kellen-did everybody forget how atrociously poor our OL was? It was arguably one of the worst in the history of the league. Even with that terrible OL, Clemens showed some good promise in a couple very tough games (BAL and PIT most notably). How can anyone possibly say definitively that Clemens is aweful withou at least giving him a fair shot to play behind even a subpar but not atrocious OL? I'm not one of the ones saying that Clemens was a bust or that he's terrible, etc. I was one of the ones pulling for him to start since before the 2006 season began. I like him, but if the Jets like Ryan and we all know they like competition, I say pull the trigger and if you end up with two good Quarterbacks, thats not a bad situation to be in. If Ryan busts, oh well, you took a chance, he's no more of a risk than McFadden or Gholston. If Clemens sucks and Ryan soars, they look like geniuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I see where your coming from, but your on McFadden's nuts a little too much bud. Which I agree with. My point is we would be better of as a team taking a guy who can break a big one at any moment or a guy who can change the game defensively and take the chance that Kellen is a much better QB with time and a solid running game. I laugh at these deer in headlights references to Kellen-did everybody forget how atrociously poor our OL was? It was arguably one of the worst in the history of the league. Even with that terrible OL, Clemens showed some good promise in a couple very tough games (BAL and PIT most notably). How can anyone possibly say definitively that Clemens is aweful withou at least giving him a fair shot to play behind even a subpar but not atrocious OL? He has no pocket awareness..thats what the scouts have been saying..you either have it or you dont... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Prima, are you seriously trying to make a case over Ryan being more over-rated than McFadden? Please stop, I can't stop laughing. :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Whys that? he smy favorite college football player.. and to have him playfor my favorite nfl team... cmon even u can see why I would want him on the jets that bad... besides giving us a playmaker.. something we dont have... leon washington dont count..hes not that good.. I'm guessing your not good in any of your writing classes. But just because someone is your favorite player doesn't mean he'll help the team. Lucky for you, I'm a DMC fan and I think he will help this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Where the hell are the mods? Can't we get a mod to merge this eith the other Pennington trade thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Who else here sees Favorite_Toon ordering three authentic McFadden jerseys if the Jets draft him? One white, one green and one NYTitan blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I'm not one of the ones saying that Clemens was a bust or that he's terrible, etc. I was one of the ones pulling for him to start since before the 2006 season began. I like him, but if the Jets like Ryan and we all know they like competition, I say pull the trigger and if you end up with two good Quarterbacks, thats not a bad situation to be in. If Ryan busts, oh well, you took a chance, he's no more of a risk than McFadden or Gholston. If Clemens sucks and Ryan soars, they look like geniuses. But Joe, he's infinately more of a risk than Gholston or DMC if we are TRADING UP for him. If we take him at 6 (I'm not thrilled with the idea but I won't cry about it) then that's one thing. To trade a 1st, 2nd, and 4th for him is a hell of alot more loss than just drafting DMC or Gholston at 6 and having any of them be a bust. Not to mention top 2 QB money is alot more than top 6 RB or OLB/DE. Lot of harm, lot of foul. It would be a collosal mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 He has no pocket awareness..thats what the scouts have been saying..you either have it or you dont... Who are you talking about, Clemens? No scouts said that about him. The pocket awareness BS only started up when he was running for his life behind our line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 To each his own Booz. We will see come draft day what direction the Jets choose to go in and we will see 2-4 years down the line who becomes the better player and what the Jets should've done or if what they do turns out to be a smart move. We shall see in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I got the money... writing classes aside...that being said... if hes drafted..I will buy a jersey for everyone on this board...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I got the money... writing classes aside...that being said... if hes drafted..I will buy a jersey for everyone on this board...lol I'm going to hold you to that. I'm a jersey freak and would love one of whomever we draft at #6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Where the hell are the mods? Can't we get a mod to merge this eith the other Pennington trade thread. Oh, I think this one is much better left on it's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtis Martin 28 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Why so much hate on Matt Ryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Why so much hate on Matt Ryan? Because Darren McFadden and Chad Pennington rule, thats why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Prima, are you seriously trying to make a case over Ryan being more over-rated than McFadden? Please stop, I can't stop laughing. :lol: :lol: Hey Im not clairvoyant, but I do think McFadden > Ryan. Dont worry fellow Jner, Im sure by this time Saturday we'll all be sippin on Mimosa's waiting for September!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Tasker raised a valid point; Clemens does need to improve his awareness in the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 It is absolutely mind boggling that half decent football minds such as yourself would be soi brazen as to give final judgement on a young QB like Clemens behind the atrocity of an OL he had tio play behind last year. A seasoned Payton Manning would have looked pedestrian at best behind that line. A rookie Payton Manning would have looked just as bad. I make no claims that Clemens is great or even good, but to make final judgement on him from last year where he had no running game, no pass blocking, and no #1 receiver for the majority of the time he played is just not very bright Bob. Against the Chiefs last year. Jets OL > Chiefs OL Jets Defense > Chiefs defense Brodie Croyle > Kellen Clemens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Why so much hate on Matt Ryan? Noboday haes Matt Ryan. It's the absurdity of trading away our entire draft to get him. We will have him and 1 4th rounder of any significance by trading up for him. That's unacceptable and flies directly in the face of every move they made this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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