SayNoToDMC Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 What are you talking about? Kellen Clemens is 6'2. Why does he need to be 6'7 to be a good QB? Tony Romo is 6'2 as well. Jeff Garcia is 6'1. Tavaris Jackson is 6'2. Drew Brees is 6'0. Donovan McNabb is 6'2 as well. Not disagreeing with you, but using Tarvaris Jackson as an example isn't going to help your argument. He flat out sucked with no excuse, he probably had the best running game and O-line in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Not disagreeing with you, but using Tarvaris Jackson as an example isn't going to help your argument. He flat out sucked with no excuse, he probably had the best running game and O-line in football. I remembered that after I posted it..lol.. cut a brother some slack its 5 am i been up all night Tell me you wouldn't love to have, say, Tony Romo or Drew Brees on this team though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 What are you talking about? Kellen Clemens is 6'2. Why does he need to be 6'7 to be a good QB? Tony Romo is 6'2 as well. Jeff Garcia is 6'1. Tavaris Jackson is 6'2. Drew Brees is 6'0. Donovan McNabb is 6'2 as well. Clemens has a fairly low release, making him play < 6'2" If you think Garcia and Tavaris Jackson are over 6' you're kidding yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shodan9999 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Fresh off the aol Jet board,,rumor,,If Jets draft Ryan,,Pennington goes to Ravens for a 2nd round pick NYLARRY I can not believe Balt. would give us a 2nd for Pennington...I would love it but I do not see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I love how one guy speculates that Chard may bring a 2nd rounder and then everyone else swears to it in this thread. You are all nuts if you think Chad's value is anything more than a 4th round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Garcia is 5'11 not 6'1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.I.MikeBleedsGreen Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sorry Guys got to call BS on this one. Two reason. It just doesn't make any sense. I like Clemens, but in all honesty, he had that deer in the headlights look last season. Ryan? Who knows he may be a good QB in time, but I honestly don't ever see him being a star QB. I really think Clemens has more upside then Ryan. If they were to do this trade after passing on Cuttler 2 years ago, I would lose all faith in Tangini. Not to mention the fact that they would probably turn a 10-6 into another 4-12, and lose their jobs after spending all that money. As secretive as this FO is, if these leaks were on the part of the other teams, the deal would be off immediately. If the leaks were from the Jets, half the FO would be fired tomorrow. Can't say what the reason might be, but I strongly suspect these leaks were created by Tangini for some ulterior motive Nope, not going to happen. Agreed, No way they take Ryan. It makes more sense to take the BAP at 6 and trade chad for future picks and grab a Qb in the later rounds imo.Kellen will suprise alot of his critics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I have no problem drafting Ryan, but this isn't like trading up for the (type of college prospect) that Eli Manning or Peyton Manning or John Elway or Carson Palmer were. If he was, then Miami surely would have taken him #1. So while I think it would be a good move at #6, I don't like trading up for him. We lose two draft picks (one of them a near first round pick) and probably another $2M/yr (not to mention $10M guaranteed money) that we won't get to use on another player. Now while QB is the most important player, they need to decide is he THAT much better than what we could get if we took one of the other top 3-4 prospects? Maybe and maybe not. My concern is Tannenbaum feeling burned in passing up on Cutler and trading the farm away to secure Ryan. I like the idea of taking the best QB on their (or most people's) board. But let him fall to #6. If he doesn't, there are other QB's. Kellen Clemens and Browning Nagle aren't always the consolation prizes. HOWEVER, if the other silly rumor is true (Pennington for the Ravens' 2nd rounder), then I'm ok with it. Then it's the #6 pick and Pennington and a 4th to secure the QB that the GM/HC/OC want. That's palatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joiseyjet Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I have no problem drafting Ryan, but this isn't like trading up for the (type of college prospect) that Eli Manning or Peyton Manning or John Elway or Carson Palmer were. If he was, then Miami surely would have taken him #1. So while I think it would be a good move at #6, I don't like trading up for him. We lose two draft picks (one of them a near first round pick) and probably another $2M/yr (not to mention $10M guaranteed money) that we won't get to use on another player. Now while QB is the most important player, they need to decide is he THAT much better than what we could get if we took one of the other top 3-4 prospects? Maybe and maybe not. My concern is Tannenbaum feeling burned in passing up on Cutler and trading the farm away to secure Ryan. I like the idea of taking the best QB on their (or most people's) board. But let him fall to #6. If he doesn't, there are other QB's. Kellen Clemens and Browning Nagle aren't always the consolation prizes. HOWEVER, if the other silly rumor is true (Pennington for the Ravens' 2nd rounder), then I'm ok with it. Then it's the #6 pick and Pennington and a 4th to secure the QB that the GM/HC/OC want. That's palatable. The Ravens never "OFFERED" a #2 pick ,the guy who started this thread was "SPECULATING" it could be a 2nd rounder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 The Ravens never "OFFERED" a #2 pick ,the guy who started this thread was "SPECULATING" it could be a 2nd rounder.... Well then I glossed over that part, jj. Then that is an impossibility. MAYBE we'd get the Ravens 3rd rounder. MAYBE. Chad Pennington for a top-50 draft pick after he (deservedly) lost his job? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I have no problem drafting Ryan, but this isn't like trading up for the (type of college prospect) that Eli Manning or Peyton Manning or John Elway or Carson Palmer were. If he was, then Miami surely would have taken him #1. So while I think it would be a good move at #6, I don't like trading up for him. We lose two draft picks (one of them a near first round pick) and probably another $2M/yr (not to mention $10M guaranteed money) that we won't get to use on another player. Now while QB is the most important player, they need to decide is he THAT much better than what we could get if we took one of the other top 3-4 prospects? Maybe and maybe not. My concern is Tannenbaum feeling burned in passing up on Cutler and trading the farm away to secure Ryan. I like the idea of taking the best QB on their (or most people's) board. But let him fall to #6. If he doesn't, there are other QB's. Kellen Clemens and Browning Nagle aren't always the consolation prizes. HOWEVER, if the other silly rumor is true (Pennington for the Ravens' 2nd rounder), then I'm ok with it. Then it's the #6 pick and Pennington and a 4th to secure the QB that the GM/HC/OC want. That's palatable. Maybe the jets dont have enough coin to sign all the drafted players... maybe getting rid of a second round and some later round picks.. to save money... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Maybe the jets dont have enough coin to sign all the drafted players... maybe getting rid of a second round and some later round picks.. to save money... lol #2 pick makes more than the #6 pick and #35 pick and #100-ish pick combined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 What are you talking about? Kellen Clemens is 6'2. Why does he need to be 6'7 to be a good QB? Tony Romo is 6'2 as well. Jeff Garcia is 6'1. Tavaris Jackson is 6'2. Drew Brees is 6'0. Donovan McNabb is 6'2 as well. Those are their listed heights. Clemens is not 6'2. He is barely 6'. 6'5 is a good height for QBs. Also Clemens release is very low, so he couldn't even get away with 6'2 if he actually was that height, which he is not. And yes, 2" really does make a difference. In lots of things. Ask your gf if you don't believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Favorite_Toon Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I have no problem drafting Ryan, but this isn't like trading up for the (type of college prospect) that Eli Manning or Peyton Manning or John Elway or Carson Palmer were. If he was, then Miami surely would have taken him #1. So while I think it would be a good move at #6, I don't like trading up for him. We lose two draft picks (one of them a near first round pick) and probably another $2M/yr (not to mention $10M guaranteed money) that we won't get to use on another player. Now while QB is the most important player, they need to decide is he THAT much better than what we could get if we took one of the other top 3-4 prospects? Maybe and maybe not. My concern is Tannenbaum feeling burned in passing up on Cutler and trading the farm away to secure Ryan. I like the idea of taking the best QB on their (or most people's) board. But let him fall to #6. If he doesn't, there are other QB's. Kellen Clemens and Browning Nagle aren't always the consolation prizes. HOWEVER, if the other silly rumor is true (Pennington for the Ravens' 2nd rounder), then I'm ok with it. Then it's the #6 pick and Pennington and a 4th to secure the QB that the GM/HC/OC want. That's palatable. #2 pick makes more than the #6 pick and #35 pick and #100-ish pick combined. Well... then theres no way they should trade up for Mcfadden... not at that price... I know in my heart that if Howies Boy is sitting there at 4.... the raiders will NEVER let him go play on there arch rivals Chiefs!!! never let howies boy wear a chief jersey!! Just so they can have 5 rbs on the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraVerde Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 The Jets arent trading up to get Ryan so get over it. This is a more believable scenario. Jets may trade up for McFadden Posted: Wednesday April 23, 2008 05:38AM ET The Jets own the sixth selection in the draft, and there is a growing belief around the league that Darren McFadden is one of their targets. Concerned the Raiders (No. 4) might select the dynamic running back, the Jets may try to trade up (the Rams are at No. 2) for McFadden, according to a league source. McFadden was in New York Tuesday for the second time in less than a week. The former Arkansas star has a hunch he could be spending a lot of time in these parts after the Jets make their first draft pick on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Why would the Ravens want Chad P, he sucks. Ravens are a "RUN" offense. Pennington would fit perfectly with them - Plus they have a strong front line - something we are only now trying to fix... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 The Jets arent trading up to get Ryan so get over it. This is a more believable scenario. Jets may trade up for McFadden Posted: Wednesday April 23, 2008 05:38AM ET The Jets own the sixth selection in the draft, and there is a growing belief around the league that Darren McFadden is one of their targets. Concerned the Raiders (No. 4) might select the dynamic running back, the Jets may try to trade up (the Rams are at No. 2) for McFadden, according to a league source. McFadden was in New York Tuesday for the second time in less than a week. The former Arkansas star has a hunch he could be spending a lot of time in these parts after the Jets make their first draft pick on Saturday. Id rather see this come to fruition than the Ryan deal, and Im not high on getting DMC....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 The Jets arent trading up to get Ryan so get over it. This is a more believable scenario. Jets may trade up for McFadden Posted: Wednesday April 23, 2008 05:38AM ET The Jets own the sixth selection in the draft, and there is a growing belief around the league that Darren McFadden is one of their targets. Concerned the Raiders (No. 4) might select the dynamic running back, the Jets may try to trade up (the Rams are at No. 2) for McFadden, according to a league source. McFadden was in New York Tuesday for the second time in less than a week. The former Arkansas star has a hunch he could be spending a lot of time in these parts after the Jets make their first draft pick on Saturday. And in the process we would have to give up our 1, 2, 4 - TOO EXPENSIVE! NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 If they think Matt Ryan is the next Peyton Manning, pull the trigger. That being said, Clemens has played in 8 games. ONLY 8 F##KING GAMES. Repeat after me: 8 F##KING GAMES. And had a QB rating of what? LESS THAN 50 PERCENT COMPLETIONS - Just imagine what a full season would bring... He is not the answer for this team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Ravens are a "RUN" offense. Pennington would fit perfectly with them - Plus they have a strong front line - something we are only now trying to fix... Pennington would not "fit perfectly" in any offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Negatives: Lacks the arm strength to challenge the deep secondary, as his long throws tend to flutter or hang up long enough for defenders to attack the ball in flight (see 2006 Brigham Young and Wake Forest contests and 2007 Massachusetts and Virginia Tech games)Sound familiar? Ryan is NOT WORTH THE 6TH PICK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobe24jets Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 nah thats dumb we should draft andre wit tha 6th pick ryan sucks i better then him already and i in hs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 nah thats dumb we should draft andre wit tha 6th pick ryan sucks i better then him already and i in hs how poetic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonJet Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 It is lunacy to trade up for either Ryan or McFadden. Just stay at 6 and hope Chris Long falls into our laps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 If they think Matt Ryan is the next Peyton Manning, pull the trigger. That being said, Clemens has played in 8 games. ONLY 8 F##KING GAMES. Repeat after me: 8 F##KING GAMES. Then why the hell would you have those fun facts under your sig all about CLEMENS ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 It is lunacy to trade up for either Ryan or McFadden. Just stay at 6 and hope Chris Long falls into our laps. Yeah so we can have another player who doesn't fit our system to trade for a 4th round pick in 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Yeah so we can have another player who doesn't fit our system to trade for a 4th round pick in 3 years. If you were calling the shots for the Jets on Saturday what would you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 If you were calling the shots for the Jets on Saturday what would you do?Trade Chad for that raven's 2. Take McFadden if he's there. If not trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Trade Chad for that raven's 2. Take McFadden if he's there. If not trade down. Interesting. You would pass on Ryan, but take McFadden. McFadden has a crap load of baggage. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Interesting. You would pass on Ryan, but take McFadden. McFadden has a crap load of baggage. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. As i've said before, Matt Ryan isn't a clear franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 As i've said before, Matt Ryan isn't a clear franchise QB. I would take him over McFadden. What is a "clear franchise QB?" Running backs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraVerde Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I would take him over McFadden. What is a "clear franchise QB?" Running backs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Like you don't hear Franchise QB a million times during the draft. I'll tell you this much McFadden would prolly contribute a hell of alot more right off the bat. Ryan is unproven and for petes sake from Boston. I wouldn't touch anything from Boston with a 10 foot pole.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 If two inches was that crucial, I'm sure KC could wear cleats that gave him an inch or so. 2 inches not crucial? Ask the mods wives if 2 inches arent crucial.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 2 inches not crucial? Ask the mods wives if 2 inches arent crucial.... IF all your have in 2 inches of course it is crucial. But, those are some very rare circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 2 inches not crucial? Ask the mods wives if 2 inches arent crucial.... I can't speak for everyone else's. But so far my wife is happy with my 2 inches. She even told me it's not important & I don't think a woman would lie about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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