NIGHT STALKER Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 Someone in the NY Post wrote this article........ I tell you this as a way of saying no matter what CC Sabathia or Mark Teixeira get this offseason, I will again have no qualms. But I will if Andy Pettitte takes money from any team not named the New York Yankees. If Pettitte signs elsewhere, regardless of the dollar figure, he should be viewed as a world-class phony forever around here. There should be no more pardons. He should receive no invites to future Old-Timers Games, hear no cheers when the dynastic teams reassemble. In his moment of need, when it was revealed Pettitte was both a liar and cheater, the Yankees stood by him last season. At that time, Pettitte was only too happy to say the Yankees were the only team he ever wanted to play for any more. He did not say he only wanted to play for the Yankees unless they offer him a paycut.The Yanks have indeed offered that cut. Pettitte made $16 million last year and, according to sources, he was offered $10 million to return in 2009. So far, Pettitte has rejected that bid while his camp has done nothing to dispel reports linking him to Joe Torre and the Dodgers. (New York Post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 What a complete load of ****. I agree Pettitte was not good last year, but there's no reason he should allow himself to be bent over by Hankenfuhrer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 What a complete load of ****. I agree Pettitte was not good last year, but there's no reason he should allow himself to be bent over by Hankenfuhrer. You think he is worth more than 10 million a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 You think he is worth more than 10 million a year? No, and I don't particularly care if he comes back. If Pettitte and the Dodgers, or whomever, think differently, that's their business. He doesn't owe any charity to Cluess Joe and Der Hankenfuhrer. The writer of that Post article is a whiny tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 You think he is worth more than 10 million a year?In the NL, may be. But in the AL, he simply isn't good enough to justify that salary. Don't think he's a bad guy, this is a mutual decision. Bob- Hank's taking 2 giant steps back; Low Key Hal is running the show. But even if Hank was the new Boss, Pettitte's 2009 didn't justify a $10 million contract in 2009. Would you prefer the Coupon family out in Flushing or the Walmart/Royals Glass family? I'll take the Steinbrenners over anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anskyruben Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 10 million bucks is "bending him over "? You're insane. He isn't even worth 10 million. None of these players have any loyalty, and neither do the teams. It's all business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 10 million bucks is "bending him over "? You're insane. He isn't even worth 10 million. None of these players have any loyalty, and neither do the teams. It's all business. If he can get more elsewhere, why shouldn't he? If the Yankees don't want to pay him more, they've got no obligation to do so. Neither Pettitte nor the Yankees owe the other anything. This idea that he ought to take less from the Yankees because some whiny sportswriter thinks the ballclub is a charity case is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 whatever, let him get his money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 What a complete load of ****. I agree Pettitte was not good last year, but there's no reason he should allow himself to be bent over by Hankenfuhrer. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted December 2, 2008 Author Share Posted December 2, 2008 Sports is part of the entertainment business...it's a huge money making machine. When I was growing up, sports figures had to get second jobs to supplement their income. Players most likely stayed with their teams they started off with unless they were traded. Yanks owe Andy nothing and vice versa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 10 million bucks is "bending him over "? You're insane. He isn't even worth 10 million. None of these players have any loyalty, and neither do the teams. It's all business. That's true for all pro sports. Simply a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 In the NL, may be. But in the AL, he simply isn't good enough to justify that salary. Don't think he's a bad guy, this is a mutual decision. Bob- Hank's taking 2 giant steps back; Low Key Hal is running the show. But even if Hank was the new Boss, Pettitte's 2009 didn't justify a $10 million contract in 2009. Would you prefer the Coupon family out in Flushing or the Walmart/Royals Glass family? I'll take the Steinbrenners over anyone else. This comment is stupid. He might have more success in the NL due to the weaker lineups, but why would he be "worth more money". Everyone is playing on an even field. Its not like Pettite would be the only pitcher that gets to pitch against an opposing pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Cheater. I wouldn't give him any money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 This comment is stupid. He might have more success in the NL due to the weaker lineups, but why would he be "worth more money". Everyone is playing on an even field. Its not like Pettite would be the only pitcher that gets to pitch against an opposing pitcher.Point being Pettitte might be more successful facing weaker NL lineups. As a 2nd or 3rd starter in the NL, he could get by and might be worth $10 million as well as extending his career a bit. With the Yankees in the AL East, he'd be facing 1-9 hitters almsot every night. And in that situation he's at best a 4 or 5. That's not worth $10 million per. Pettitte the 2nd half of the season was awful. Possibly a swithc to the NL might do him some good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Point being Pettitte might be more successful facing weaker NL lineups. As a 2nd or 3rd starter in the NL, he could get by and might be worth $10 million as well as extending his career a bit. With the Yankees in the AL East, he'd be facing 1-9 hitters almsot every night. And in that situation he's at best a 4 or 5. That's not worth $10 million per. Pettitte the 2nd half of the season was awful. Possibly a swithc to the NL might do him some good. Like how Barry Zito had greater success in the NL, right? And a litany of other pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 Like how Barry Zito had greater success in the NL, right? And a litany of other pitchers. I don't know about a "litany" of other pitchers...maybe that's why Maddox has spent his entire career in the NL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I don't know about a "litany" of other pitchers...maybe that's why Maddox has spent his entire career in the NL. Or, maybe Maddux just liked to hit? How would you necessarily know what his reasons were? Were Santana's numbers so amazingly better than what he was in the AL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted December 3, 2008 Author Share Posted December 3, 2008 Or, maybe Maddux just liked to hit? How would you necessarily know what his reasons were? Were Santana's numbers so amazingly better than what he was in the AL? I don't really know, I doubt leaving millions on the table (Yankees) is just to hit...come on now, it's either he didn't want the bright lights of NY or he knew his ERA and W's and L's wouldn't be as good playing in the NL. Santana? He's got one year under his belt, you can't really compare...let's see if he gets a little more run support from your Mets this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 NL-4.63 runs a game, 4.30 ERA, 9.1 hits per game, 3.4 walks, 1.02 HRs per game; AL-4.68 runs a game, 4.36 ERA, 9.2 hits per game, 3.3 walks, 1.00 HRs per game. It would seem from watching games in each league the disparity with the DH would be greater than those numbers. It always seems like the NL pitcher work the lineup to get to that 8/9 easy out spot, while AL pitchers don't seem to have that luxury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 He is a phony. The whole I only took roids once.... no twice.... no three... only on sundays......I have a roid needle in my ass right now thing was pretty pathetic and embarrassing as a Yankee fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 NL-4.63 runs a game, 4.30 ERA, 9.1 hits per game, 3.4 walks, 1.02 HRs per game; AL-4.68 runs a game, 4.36 ERA, 9.2 hits per game, 3.3 walks, 1.00 HRs per game. It would seem from watching games in each league the disparity with the DH would be greater than those numbers. It always seems like the NL pitcher work the lineup to get to that 8/9 easy out spot, while AL pitchers don't seem to have that luxury. The NL also has some real bandbox type ballparks. Night Stalker-A pitcher should be BETTER in his first year in a league, because the majority of hitters don't know him. When speaking about Santana, I was not looking at wins, moreso his other major statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Like how Barry Zito had greater success in the NL, right? And a litany of other pitchers. It was clear (to some people anyway) that for some reason or another that Zito had just LOST IT. The guy was getting worse and worse for a few years running and I said as soon as he signed with SF that it was the best signing the Yankees and Mets never made. Zito is a bad example. God..what the hell are the Giants gonna do with him anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 The answer to the topic is YES. Pettite is definitely a phony, but most people are and would take the most money. When it comes to Pettite use of performance enhancing drugs; who knows? The only thing I believed that came out of his mouth was not how many times he used, but the fact that Clemens was a user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 The advantage of pitching against batting pitchers is definitely overblown. Most games, they only face a pitcher 2 or 3 times. Not to mention that the pitcher has a chance to make a productive out a lot of the time. Most pitchers hit between .100 and .200 compared to around .250-.300 for most DHs. That's what, one extra hit every other game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 NL-4.63 runs a game, 4.30 ERA, 9.1 hits per game, 3.4 walks, 1.02 HRs per game; AL-4.68 runs a game, 4.36 ERA, 9.2 hits per game, 3.3 walks, 1.00 HRs per game. It would seem from watching games in each league the disparity with the DH would be greater than those numbers. It always seems like the NL pitcher work the lineup to get to that 8/9 easy out spot, while AL pitchers don't seem to have that luxury. What is the average innings per start in the AL and NL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 The advantage of pitching against batting pitchers is definitely overblown. Most games, they only face a pitcher 2 or 3 times. Not to mention that the pitcher has a chance to make a productive out a lot of the time. Most pitchers hit between .100 and .200 compared to around .250-.300 for most DHs. That's what, one extra hit every other game? As a pitcher would you rather face Barry Zito or David Ortiz? The batting average argument is weak. What about RBI's or HR's between pitchers in the NL and DH's in the AL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 As a pitcher would you rather face Barry Zito or David Ortiz? The batting average argument is weak. What about RBI's or HR's between pitchers in the NL and DH's in the AL? In the NL, if a pitcher is due up in a big spot in the game, he will get pinch hit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 In the NL, if a pitcher is due up in a big spot in the game, he will get pinch hit for. Not if its a close game and its still in the 1st 5 innings. And you can also pitch around the 8th hitter w/2 outs in order to get to the pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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