Morrissey Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Option 1: *Sign Matt Holliday *Sign Rich Harden *Sign Aroldis Chapman *Re-sign Johnny Damon *Re-sign Andy Pettitte *Re-sign Jerry Hairston Jr. Lineup: Derek Jeter (SS) Johnny Damon (DH) Mark Teixeira (1B) Alex Rodriguez (3B) Matt Holliday (LF) Jorge Posada © Robinson Cano (2B) Nick Swisher (RF) Melky Cabrera (CF) Bench: Francisco Cervelli © Brett Gardner (OF) Ramiro Pena (IF) Jerry Hairston Jr. (IF/OF) Pitching Staff: LHP CC Sabathia RHP A.J. Burnett LHP Andy Pettitte RHP Rich Harden RHP Joba Chamberlain RHP Phil Hughes RHP Mariano Rivera LHP Damaso Marte RHP David Robertson LHP Phil Coke RHP Alfredo Aceves RHP Mark Melancon (Aroldis Chapman will start out in the minors) Option 2: *Trade for Adam Dunn *Trade for David DeJesus *Sign Rich Harden *Sign Aroldis Chapman *Re-sign Andy Pettitte *Re-sign Jerry Hairston Jr. Lineup: David DeJesus (LF) Derek Jeter (SS) Mark Teixeira (1B) Alex Rodriguez (3B) Adam Dunn (DH) Jorge Posada © Robinson Cano (2B) Nick Swisher (RF) Melky Cabrera (CF) Bench: Francisco Cervelli © Brett Gardner (OF) Ramiro Pena (IF) Jerry Hairston Jr. (IF/OF) Pitching Staff: LHP CC Sabathia RHP A.J. Burnett LHP Andy Pettitte RHP Rich Harden RHP Joba Chamberlain RHP Phil Hughes RHP Mariano Rivera LHP Damaso Marte RHP David Robertson LHP Phil Coke RHP Alfredo Aceves RHP Mark Melancon (Aroldis Chapman will start out in the minors) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Who you trading for Dunn and Dejusus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 Who you trading for Dunn and Dejusus? I'd give them Austin Jackson and Zach McAllister, not sure what it would take to get DeJesus, maybe a few pitchers, maybe Wilkins de la Rosa and Hairo Heredia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 None of these options have Matsui in them No good IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 None of these options have Matsui in them No good IMO I'm not completely ruling him out, but if we do sign him (I would only sign him to a 1 year deal) then we have part ways with Damon. Matsui can't play the OF, and I don't want Damon to be our every day LFer. I don't think the Yankees are interested in bringing him back. If we bring Matsui back then we can't he's our every day DH, he can't play the OF. Cashman said Matsui is only a designated hitter. “He may very well be an outfielder for somebody else,” Cashman said. For the Yankees, though, Matsui is strictly a DH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Trade cano I don't care what you do after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 Trade cano I don't care what you do after that. Dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Dumb. Meh, Guy can't hustle to save his life and makes too many boneheaded plays in the field from lack of trying. My least favorite yankee ever. The Kerry Rhodes of the yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 MLB SECOND BASEMEN RANKINGS: AVG: Cano (1st) HITS: Cano (1st) SLG: Cano (2nd) 2B: Cano (2nd) SLG: Cano (2nd) OPS: Cano (3rd) HR: Cano (6th) All this with stellar defense. You have to be crazy to trade this guy in his prime. You're not going to replace him with someone better. Last time I checked Chase Utley isn't available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 Meh, Guy can't hustle to save his life and makes too many boneheaded plays in the field from lack of trying. My least favorite yankee ever. The Kerry Rhodes of the yankees. Except that Robinson Cano is actually good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Cano fielded the ball perfectly and made a great throw to Tex to win the World Series. The guy is clutch, he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Except that Robinson Cano is actually good... Talented =! good. Calling Robinson Cano's defense stellar is a joke. Guy ****s up on routine ground balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'd give them Austin Jackson and Zach McAllister, not sure what it would take to get DeJesus, maybe a few pitchers, maybe Wilkins de la Rosa and Hairo Heredia. Word? You'd trade Austin Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 Word? You'd trade Austin Jackson? For Adam Dunn? Absolutely. I don't think Austin Jackson is going to be that good. Strikes out too much, doesn't walk enough, no power. Relies on unsustainable BABIP. Unfortunately the Nationals probably see the same thing I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 For Adam Dunn? Absolutely. I don't think Austin Jackson is going to be that good. Strikes out too much, doesn't walk enough, no power. Relies on unsustainable BABIP. Unfortunately the Nationals probably see the same thing I see. True. I saw him jack a grand slam against the Sox last year in ST and I was sold on him. Haven't dug into the actual stats much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 Talented =! good. Calling Robinson Cano's defense stellar is a joke. Guy ****s up on routine ground balls. As do every other baseball player. It happens. If you thin Cano is a bad defensive payer then you're blind. You're just looking for something to complain about. My only issue with Cano is that he needs to come up bigger in big spots, but other than that, you can count the second basemen in his league on 1 hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 True. I saw him jack a grand slam against the Sox last year in ST and I was sold on him. Haven't dug into the actual stats much. He hit 4 home runs all last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 As do every other baseball player. It happens. If you thin Cano is a bad defensive payer then you're blind. You're just looking for something to complain about. My only issue with Cano is that he needs to come up bigger in big spots, but other than that, you can count the second basemen in his league on 1 hand. Thats my biggest complaint about Cano too. I don't know the numbers, but he might be the least clutch player of all time. He hits .300 every year and goes .120 with runners in scoring position. Retarded. He's gotta be a head case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 He hit 4 home runs all last year. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 Thats my biggest complaint about Cano too. I don't know the numbers, but he might be the least clutch player of all time. He hits .300 every year and goes .120 with runners in scoring position. Retarded. He's gotta be a head case. I don't remember big spots being a big problem with him before this year, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 Ugh. He hit .390 with balls hit into play, that's luck. League average is between .290-.300. He hit around .340 most of the season, and once that luck faded, it dropped like a sack of potatoes. He hit .300 for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I don't remember big spots being a big problem with him before this year, do you? Not nearly as bad as this year, but I feel like he's never hit with RISP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 I'd give them Austin Jackson and Zach McAllister, not sure what it would take to get DeJesus, maybe a few pitchers, maybe Wilkins de la Rosa and Hairo Heredia. Washington doesn't need a CF they already have Nyjer Morgan who turned out to be pretty good this year before he got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporate Gifts Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 All of these players have contracts that will keep them there. BUT---The 2010 season is the last year of Derek's contract. Most likely, he will get a new contract, but who knows what will happen next year! Hopefully nothing unusual, and Derek Jeter will remain a Yankee for years to come![url=http://promo-prod.blogspot.com/] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisaynon Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 for one year of Adam Dunn you'd give up McAllister and Jackson? Holy **** dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 for one year of Adam Dunn you'd give up McAllister and Jackson? Holy **** dude. I'd obviously sign him to an extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisaynon Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I'd obviously sign him to an extension. WHAT? And what's stopping you from waiting 1 more year for him to be an FA? You don't trade prime prospects for guys in the last year of free agency especially in a market this diminished. You trade them for arb eligible prospects who you can sign to an extension, or for guys with exceptional AARV like Halladay. ... Holy **** dude, I can't believe you just suggested trading AJax and McAllister for Dunn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexRyanRules Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 For Adam Dunn? Absolutely. I don't think Austin Jackson is going to be that good. Strikes out too much, doesn't walk enough, no power. Relies on unsustainable BABIP. Unfortunately the Nationals probably see the same thing I see. He did last year. Not in 2008 or 07. Too much to give up for Dunn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 He did last year. Not in 2008 or 07. Too much to give up for Dunn. He did what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 WHAT? And what's stopping you from waiting 1 more year for him to be an FA? You don't trade prime prospects for guys in the last year of free agency especially in a market this diminished. You trade them for arb eligible prospects who you can sign to an extension, or for guys with exceptional AARV like Halladay. ... Holy **** dude, I can't believe you just suggested trading AJax and McAllister for Dunn. First of all you are overrating Austin Jackson like CRAZY. He's not a "prime prospect" as you put, and neither is Zach McAllister. Second... Adam Dunn is a PROVEN 40 HR hitter, who could possibly hit 50 in Yankee Stadium. You should put a paper bag over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexRyanRules Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 He did what? Have an abnormal BABIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexRyanRules Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 First of all you are overrating Austin Jackson like CRAZY. He's not a "prime prospect" as you put, and neither is Zach McAllister. Second... Adam Dunn is a PROVEN 40 HR hitter, who could possibly hit 50 in Yankee Stadium. You should put a paper bag over your head. They are both very good prospects. McAlister is the yankees best pitching prospect at the moment and CF's who can hit are rare. Dunn is a very good hitter but he's getting older and is one of the worst outfielders in the major. The yankees are better off bringing Damon back short term than making this trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 They are both very good prospects. McAlister is the yankees best pitching prospect at the moment and CF's who can hit are rare. Dunn is a very good hitter but he's getting older and is one of the worst outfielders in the major. The yankees are better off bringing Damon back short term than making this trade. Madmike and Tyler going at it. This should get interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Adam Dunn -- the Yankees don't need a masher that might strike out 180 times in the middle of the lineup. Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 And personally I would hang on to Austin Jackson and see if he could become the everyday CF in 2011. He does a lot of things well. About the Curtis Granderson rumors? I would pass on him as well, not the kind of player they need. The Yankees need to continue to develop players, they already had to reduce ticket prices for next year, so the payroll is an issue. I would let Damon and Matsui know that the player that accepts the shortest contract will be brought back. Swisher? He was great for the locker room but if they can trade him I have no problem with that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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