villain_the_foe Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 OK I'llbuy...I hate Rhodes anyway-all I know is QB's rating against Revis last year was 32.3% and I also like how he has become a leader both in the clubhouse and on the field. Who was he yelling at last year Bart Scott for a stupid penalty? Darrelle is the best CB in the league given his duty. No other CB in the league is asked to do what Darrelle does as often as Darrelle does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Darrelle is the best CB in the league given his duty. No other CB in the league is asked to do what Darrelle does as often as Darrelle does it. agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyzmul Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 the whole greatness of revis is that he doesn't need over the top help blaming the Ginn TD on Rhodes is one possible theory but the truth is, he got beat by a player with world class speed... it happens. There is no over the top help in a quarter zone coverage. It's 4 lateral sections of the field. The Phins got lucky and picked a route that Ginn was able to split zones with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Aso plays at RIGHT CB, which mean he's almost always covering the #2 WR. Not to be a dick, but why would anyone believe that? Why would the Raiders slot Nmadi against an offenses 2nd best WR on purpose? It's alright to just say you like Revis better...This thread, and anything that mentions the existence of Revis, allows for massive homerism. We can't live without Revis and all that jazz....Nothing would be the same etc etc....there's always something to make our guy better than their guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 There is no over the top help in a quarter zone coverage. It's 4 lateral sections of the field. The four deep are the over the top help. I'm actually sort of morbidly curious as to how it's even possible to so badly screw up explaining such a simple concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Muthaluva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Ted Ginn was able to get deep over the Jets D because Miami was able to absolutely pound the crap out of our D that night. Brown and Williams were coming around the edge all night and Revis, Rhodes and Leonard were being asked to string out plays and make tackles on big running backs all night and they did. You pull a cover corner like Revis up and ask him to make solo tackles on Brown or Williams all night, it's not that tough to get a play where a world class sprinter can get behind the D. It could have been Rhodes fault or it could have been the fact that Miami simply pounded us and sucked the D up. It happens that's what running teams, like the Jets and Miami do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyzmul Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 The four deep are the over the top help. I'm actually sort of morbidly curious as to how it's even possible to so badly screw up explaining such a simple concept. I see we're feeling superior today. Tell me how quarter zone can be considered 'four deep' when the corners are on the LOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Ted Ginn was able to get deep over the Jets D because Miami was able to absolutely pound the crap out of our D that night. That has nothing to do with it. Revis can't run with Ginn when he's fresh. If you give Ginn a free release and make Revis trail him with no help, it's a touchdown every time. Revis actually gained ground on the double move and it didn't even matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 That has nothing to do with it. Revis can't run with Ginn when he's fresh. If you give Ginn a free release and make Revis trail him with no help, it's a touchdown every time. Revis actually gained ground on the double move and it didn't even matter. That scenario doesn't happen if the CB and safties aren't getting the crap kicked out of them all night in heat and humidity at the LOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 If you give Ginn a free release and make Revis trail him with no help, it's a touchdown every time. It's Ted ****ing Ginn dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I see we're feeling superior today. Tell me how quarter zone can be considered 'four deep' when the corners are on the LOS? Because they don't stay on the line of scrimmage once the play starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 hey bottom line; Ginn beat Revis deep, Henne threw a great pass and the coaches called the right play and it was hot as a MFer down here that night-no shame in getting beat once in a while-I personally would have liked to see some safety help back there but hey, it was what it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 It's Ted ****ing Ginn dude. Okay, but I'd submit that 38% or so of the time is bad enough that it's not a situation you'd deliberately create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyzmul Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Because they don't stay on the line of scrimmage once the play starts? So - these cornerbacks - they are their own over the top coverage. You must be a philosopher. Or a self-help guru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 That scenario doesn't happen if the CB and safties aren't getting the crap kicked out of them all night in heat and humidity at the LOS. What scenario? Ginn is just faster than Revis is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 So - these cornerbacks - they are their own over the top coverage. You must be a philosopher. Or a self-help guru. The deep coverage was quarters. That doesn't mean that there's no underneath coverage. Revis wasn't one of the deep zones, he was manned up on Ginn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 First rule of defensive backs - Don't Let anyone behind. Well as it was taught to me anyways. Where was Ginn when he caught that ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Okay, but I'd submit that 38% or so of the time is bad enough that it's not a situation you'd deliberately create. That's kind of how I feel about bigger chicks. Like 38% of them are willing to do more stuff, but it's just not a situation worth deliberately creating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 That's kind of how I feel about bigger chicks. Like 38% of them are willing to do more stuff, but it's just not a situation worth deliberately creating. Unless of course you're really drunk fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 First rule of defensive backs - Don't Let anyone behind. If the corner is giving a free release, of course the receiver is going to get behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggs Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 What scenario? Ginn is just faster than Revis is. So what that wasn't the issue. Revis was up because they ran the ball all night, Revis was making tackles on running backs all night. The play action went right to Revis's side he can't keep Ginn in front of him if he has been put in a position of run support all night. When teams run the ball on your front 8 in hot weather like the Fins did that night, CB's end up getting cought in play action just like Safties do. There are tons of WR who are faster than CB that doesn't mean they get behind them all the time. That play was set up by the effectiveness of the Fins run game and specifically their ability to get outside all night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Not to be a dick, but why would anyone believe that? Why would the Raiders slot Nmadi against an offenses 2nd best WR on purpose? Since teams know Aso will be on that side they can put their second best WR on that side. Why do they do it? Because of al-Davis' fascination with speed. Teams put their home run threat on that side more often than not. In the team owner's mind stopping that deep threat is the most important thing in the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 21, 2010 Author Share Posted May 21, 2010 Is it true asomough only allowed 1 TD last year...and it was in week 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoFlaJets Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 36.9 completion % against Revis Asomugha had a 75% comp. % against that's Revis twice as good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 revis got beat by ginn accept it ! just the fact that another teams fans will post a video bragging about it is a compliment try to find fan videos of a guy beating lowery (with lowery's name in the video title) doesn't exist cuz no one cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 21, 2010 Author Share Posted May 21, 2010 interesting site thanks sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 from ProFootball Focus yesterday: Closest starting corner to the 32.3 QB rating when throwing at D Revis last season? Leon Hall at 51.7. That's nearly 20 difference! yes but that's only part of the story BO... http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=CB&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=25&numgames=1 I guess those stats don't tell the whole story. Lowery is second in QB rating against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 I guess those stats don't tell the whole story. Lowery is second in QB rating against. or maybe he isn't as bad as some Jets fans seem to think-or...it could be a product of Rex's defense because Lito even looked good in that analysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 revis got beat by ginn accept it ! just the fact that another teams fans will post a video bragging about it is a compliment try to find fan videos of a guy beating lowery (with lowery's name in the video title) doesn't exist cuz no one cares exactly Larz-glad he's not a Dolphin anymore-some guys are just Jets killers...remember Willis MacGahee against us every game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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