Larz Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Obama is going to use this to try and ram Cap and Tax down are throats. He didn't even care about this spill until everyone started to blame him for it. The speech tonight was about two things: 1. Trying to sell us on the cap and tax (or as he called it "Green Energy Bill), and 2. Trying to save his sinking Presidency, and it isn't working. one of the oldest saying in politics is "never let a crisis go to waste" see bush and the dept. of homeland security stemming from 9/11 as an example. or the iraq war. or the afghan war you get the point. anywho, as I said, all I care about is BP capping the well instead of trying to figure out a way to rescue the oil they're going down, and not just financially, this is going to be criminal. the survivors on the rig explosion already have a lawyer and they're going after a criminal case before this is all over, BP will be synonymous with greed and stupidity, and more infamous than enron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Love Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 there are many sources of ignition on an off shore oil rig I'd expect, from the machinery running the rig to exhaust, even electrical sources from what I've read, I think the rig "kicked" and natural/methane gas came up the pipe and onto the platform and then ignited Oh ok, that sounds plausible. Thanks. You would think they could come up with technology that would prevent oxygen from getting inside the pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Oh ok, that sounds plausible. Thanks. You would think they could come up with technology that would prevent oxygen from getting inside the pipe. any combustible has a ratio of material/oxygen where it will ignite, too much material or too little and no boom I think the problem came when the gas came up to the platform at something like 3,000 psi and the rig just couldn't contain it, and some sort of rupture occured and the gas came into contact with the atmosphere and some source of ignition the truly horrific part of this is BP's own engineers were callin this a "nightmare" well a week before the explosion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 What other governments? I know BP is a UK company, but as far as I know, no other national government is involved. According to this article, the Netherlands offered to help but I guess because of union contracts in the Gulf they were told 'no thanks': http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/7043272.html When I say other governments I mean in respects to the clean up. Other governments based on what the president said has given some ideas to help clean up and stop the leak. I happened to have the TV on when Obama addressed the nation today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Crazy aint it? I dont understand why microbes havent been introduced or even spoken about. this leak has been out of control for two months and reached the status of "biggest oil disaster" almost a month ago. I cant believe that with all the "help" that the government has received from other governments, other oil companies etc. NO ONE has said anything about microbes. I was shocked when I came across this information. There is no excuse for the the reaction to this on either side. There are plenty of other ways that could have stopped this, they tried none of them. Then we've got Jimmy Carter Jr. going on T.V. trying to make it seem like they've tried everything and how HE'S going to fix it, and then the CEO of BP makes a commercial about how the oil spill has inconvenienced HIM. Its all about them and its pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 There is no excuse for the the reaction to this on either side. There are plenty of other ways that could have stopped this, they tried none of them. Then we've got Jimmy Carter Jr. going on T.V. trying to make it seem like they've tried everything and how HE'S going to fix it, and then the CEO of BP makes a commercial about how the oil spill has inconvenienced HIM. Its all about them and its pathetic. I've missed most of the stuff you're talking about because I dont watch much tv...but its not surprising that I'm reading what you state is happening. They're not going to stop this leak. I think it can be stopped, but there is a difference from exhausting your options, and not doing anything. Seems like the latter is being taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 This could be fixed if BP spent as much money on the Oil spill as they do for their stupid comercials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Love Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 any combustible has a ratio of material/oxygen where it will ignite, too much material or too little and no boom I think the problem came when the gas came up to the platform at something like 3,000 psi and the rig just couldn't contain it, and some sort of rupture occured and the gas came into contact with the atmosphere and some source of ignition the truly horrific part of this is BP's own engineers were callin this a "nightmare" well a week before the explosion Well... it looks like another federal beauracracy was asleep at the switch or looking at internet porn too much to be bothered with doing their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Well... it looks like another federal beauracracy was asleep at the switch or looking at internet porn too much to be bothered with doing their job. The govt doesn't own or build oil wells. BP and the industry have historically opposed any Govt requests for additional safety equipment at the wellhead. 10million is too expensive against billion+ quarterly profits? I'm a pro-business guy, but the people that run these companies don't show much concern for the country that rewards them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 The govt doesn't own or build oil wells. BP and the industry have historically opposed any Govt requests for additional safety equipment at the wellhead. 10million is too expensive against billion+ quarterly profits? I'm a pro-business guy, but the people that run these companies don't show much concern for the country that rewards them. But they are supposed to inspect them. And Obama gave the that blew up rig a safety award just last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 But they are supposed to inspect them. And Obama gave the that blew up rig a safety award just last year. I didn't know that, and don't know what the award represents. But based on this criticism, if half the rigs out there are hanging from a thread and the govt shuts them down, are we going to be cool with that? I suspect we'll all flip on the radio and holler whatever the fat guy tells us to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Love Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 The govt doesn't own or build oil wells. BP and the industry have historically opposed any Govt requests for additional safety equipment at the wellhead. 10million is too expensive against billion+ quarterly profits? I'm a pro-business guy, but the people that run these companies don't show much concern for the country that rewards them. Negative reinforcement? Psych 101? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Love Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 But they are supposed to inspect them. And Obama gave the that blew up rig a safety award just last year. Speaking of the devil.... How is this possible: http://renovomedia.com/politics/obama-top-recipient-of-bp-campaign-contributions/ I didn't know that foreign corporations were allowed to financially influence our elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I didn't know that, and don't know what the award represents. But based on this criticism, if half the rigs out there are hanging from a thread and the govt shuts them down, are we going to be cool with that? I suspect we'll all flip on the radio and holler whatever the fat guy tells us to say. The award represents that it was the safest rig in the Gulf. And shutting down all of the rigs would be an economic disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Speaking of the devil.... How is this possible: http://renovomedia.com/politics/obama-top-recipient-of-bp-campaign-contributions/ I didn't know that foreign corporations were allowed to financially influence our elections. Thats one of the reasons I'm getting so pissed at him with this entire situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Love Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Thats one of the reasons I'm getting so pissed at him with this entire situation. Well... I guess this wasn't the moment that the sea levels would no longer rise, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Love Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Other governments based on what the president said has given some ideas to help clean up and stop the leak. And you believe this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 When I say other governments I mean in respects to the clean up. Other governments based on what the president said has given some ideas to help clean up and stop the leak. I happened to have the TV on when Obama addressed the nation today. The Dutch offered us skimmer ships that would suck up the water and filter out the oil, but he said no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 And you know this because a pathological liar told you this? Dude, I completely agree with you. Its just that it seems like people know that they're liars but still turn around and vote lol. I was simply stating what was said, not that I believed it. If anything these people say was worth believing then the leak would be fixed already. Doesnt take a genius to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 The Dutch offered us skimmer ships that would suck up the water and filter out the oil, but he said no. maybe this isnt an accident and its simply the start of population control that they've been talking about for years. This wil surely destroy food and water, and no one seems to have a sense of urgency with it. Dont get me started! lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Love Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Dude, I completely agree with you. Its just that it seems like people know that they're liars but still turn around and vote lol. I was simply stating what was said, not that I believed it. If anything these people say was worth believing then the leak would be fixed already. Doesnt take a genius to see that. I'm sorry I edited my post because I was worried you would take it the wrong way but I see that you didn't. It's a damn shame all around. Everybody in authority is more concerned with CYA than actually getting down to brass tacks to STOP THE DAMN LEAK. I forget who said it but the quote goes something like this: There is nothing one can't accomplish as long as you don't care who gets the credit for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 2AAa0gd7ClM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I wasnt gonna but why the hell not it beats Revis-Mangold contract talks. If theres this much oil off the coast and in the United States. Then why the hell are we paying so dam much for a gallon of gas in this country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 That's the problem, had this been in shallower water it would have been fixed in a matter of hours, not months. But hey, thats what happens when you listen to idiotic environmentalists. FAIL. This one was in 200 feet of water. http://news.discovery.com/earth/gulf-oil-spill-ixtoc.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 FAIL. This one was in 200 feet of water. http://news.discovery.com/earth/gulf-oil-spill-ixtoc.html That was over 30 years ago. A lot of new technology has been developed since then that would have had that stopped quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 That was over 30 years ago. A lot of new technology has been developed since then that would have had that stopped quickly. like golf balls and hay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 like golf balls and hay? I meant the one in Mexico that was in 200ft of water not this one in a mile of water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Thats one of the reasons I'm getting so pissed at him with this entire situation. Good news... out of $13million to ALL candidates, the Obama got 13,000. That's hardly enough to get them any sympathy, when individuals dumped 200million+ on him. His books have made him millions. His war chest is like 750million. ...and for a piddly 13k he's going to kiss their backside? no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenranger Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Good news... out of $13million to ALL candidates, the Obama got 13,000. That's hardly enough to get them any sympathy, when individuals dumped 200million+ on him. His books have made him millions. His war chest is like 750million. ...and for a piddly 13k he's going to kiss their backside? no way. He was the largest single recipient of BP donations in 2004 (Senate Election) and 2008 at $77,051 directly from BP. He also got got money from BP-PAC's and through Lobbies. So it was more like $100K+ from BP in 2004+2008. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I'm sorry I edited my post because I was worried you would take it the wrong way but I see that you didn't. It's a damn shame all around. Everybody in authority is more concerned with CYA than actually getting down to brass tacks to STOP THE DAMN LEAK. I forget who said it but the quote goes something like this: There is nothing one can't accomplish as long as you don't care who gets the credit for it. Thats actually a pretty awesome quote. Never heard of that one before. The world surely doesnt run like that either. We're all guilty of that unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 He was the largest single recipient of BP donations in 2004 (Senate Election) and 2008 at $77,051 directly from BP. He also got got money from BP-PAC's and through Lobbies. So it was more like $100K+ from BP in 2004+2008. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html Let's round up to an even 200k. Does he need that money with a 750 million dollar war chest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Love Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 I didn't know that, and don't know what the award represents. But based on this criticism, if half the rigs out there are hanging from a thread and the govt shuts them down, are we going to be cool with that? The govt did shut them down--- for no valid reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 He was the largest single recipient of BP donations in 2004 (Senate Election) and 2008 at $77,051 directly from BP. He also got got money from BP-PAC's and through Lobbies. So it was more like $100K+ from BP in 2004+2008. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html Aww, yet the people think the government works for them. ay bendito:tumbleweed: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Love Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 We're all guilty of that unfortunately. Pretty much, but there are a few rare exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude Love Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 He was the largest single recipient of BP donations in 2004 (Senate Election) and 2008 at $77,051 directly from BP. He also got got money from BP-PAC's and through Lobbies. So it was more like $100K+ from BP in 2004+2008. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html This is the part I don't understand---- I thought foreign entities were not allowed to contribute money to political parties or candidates in the USA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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