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1 minute ago, chirorob said:

I would think, with Frazier and that injury, maybe they look at him as more a corner OF now, and they have that for the next few years.   I really wanted to see Kaprelian, but there is no guarentee with Tommy John, and he's probably 2 years away from really helping now.  I don't know much about Florial.

There won't be a winner of this trade for 3-4 years, when you see what Oakland really got.  

and Gray is a free agent.  I honestly don't know much about any of them, but Florial  is apparently a 19 year old potential 5-tool guy that strikes out way too much.  Accounts I read have him as a rocketship beating out grounders.  

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3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

and Gray is a free agent.  I honestly don't know much about any of them, but Florial  is apparently a 19 year old potential 5-tool guy that strikes out way too much.  Accounts I read have him as a rocketship beating out grounders.  

I would guess that the Yankees would pony up and extend Gray if he is "the guy". 

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44 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

I would guess that the Yankees would pony up and extend Gray if he is "the guy". 

You have 2 years.   If he is the guy, you resign him.   If not, let him go and get a pick back.  It's a risk, but it could be good for next year as well.

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18 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

and Gray is a free agent.  I honestly don't know much about any of them, but Florial  is apparently a 19 year old potential 5-tool guy that strikes out way too much.  Accounts I read have him as a rocketship beating out grounders.  

Gray isn't a FA until 2020.  That will be a different team by then.

It's an interesting trade because Yanks gave up 3 bona fide blue chippers, but 2 of them with serious health issues.  Gray has had health issues in the past, so both teams are bearing a health risk.

The Yanks needed a No. 2-3 starter behind Severino and either CC or Tanaka, and they got it.  And the end of the day, I hate losing Kaperlain, but I understand that he wasn't contributing until 2019 and the Yanks are really high on Adams and Sheffield, who surpassed Kaperlain in the pitcher prospect ranks in the organization.  Fowler and Mateo were going to be blocked in the OF so, although they are top prospects, they wouldn't have been in the majors for the long haul in near future.

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On 7/31/2017 at 10:39 AM, chirorob said:

You are going to see a similar thing in player reaching 3000 hits.

Pujols is right there, at 2914.   Miggy Cabrera has 2605, so I think he'll get it.   Carlos Beltran has 2695, I don't know that he'll quite get there, but he may.

After that, Robby Cano with 2311, but he's 34, so probably.   After that.... Mike Trout has 900, and he's only 25, but that' a long way to go.  Surprisingly, Starlin Castro is one of the more likely, with 1244 hits and he's only 27, but I don't see that. 

I think 3000 hits is still a magical number.  It hasn't been deflated like 500 because of PEDs.  3000 is more of a longevity number.  Beltre is getting into the HOF, as will Pujols and Miggy.  Beltran won't because he's too old to hit the magical numbers.

The interesting thing is 300 wins.  Like you said, even the top flight pitchers today aren't going to sniff 250.

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35 minutes ago, SMC said:

Gray isn't a FA until 2020.  That will be a different team by then.

It's an interesting trade because Yanks gave up 3 bona fide blue chippers, but 2 of them with serious health issues.  Gray has had health issues in the past, so both teams are bearing a health risk.

The Yanks needed a No. 2-3 starter behind Severino and either CC or Tanaka, and they got it.  And the end of the day, I hate losing Kaperlain, but I understand that he wasn't contributing until 2019 and the Yanks are really high on Adams and Sheffield, who surpassed Kaperlain in the pitcher prospect ranks in the organization.  Fowler and Mateo were going to be blocked in the OF so, although they are top prospects, they wouldn't have been in the majors for the long haul in near future.

I didn't mean Gray was going to be a FA now.  I meant in response to we won't know who won the trade for 3-4 years, cause Gray will be a FA by then.  2020 is 2 1/2 years away.  I kind of like the deal, but I don't really know enough about all these players to judge.  Truth is, the Yanks look good enough to make a major push in 2018 and they aren't bad now. 

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2 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

I didn't mean Gray was going to be a FA now.  I meant in response to we won't know who won the trade for 3-4 years, cause Gray will be a FA by then.  2020 is 2 1/2 years away.  I kind of like the deal, but I don't really know enough about all these players to judge.  Truth is, the Yanks look good enough to make a major push in 2018 and they aren't bad now. 

I get that and it's a good point.  I was just pointing out that 3 years is a long time and we can't really look at then as to whether who wins the trade.  Of course, if this is the 80s and the Yanks are trading Jay Beuhner, then yes, the Yanks lost that trade big time.  But if Gray solidifies the rotation for a 3 yr championship run, the As and Yanks are winners.

On an aside, Vlad Guerrero Jr. and Fernando Tatis Jr. are top 15 minor league prospects.  Holy crap. We've been watching baseball too long.

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On 8/1/2017 at 9:58 AM, SMC said:

I think 3000 hits is still a magical number.  It hasn't been deflated like 500 because of PEDs.  3000 is more of a longevity number.  Beltre is getting into the HOF, as will Pujols and Miggy.  Beltran won't because he's too old to hit the magical numbers.

The interesting thing is 300 wins.  Like you said, even the top flight pitchers today aren't going to sniff 250.

The only one who even has a shot who is still active is CC and he needs to stick around 6 more seasons just to maybe get it

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1 hour ago, BroadwayJoe12 said:

Severino's last four starts have been simply dominant. Would like to see him to consistently go longer into games, but it's impossible to complain with his last handful of stats. 

Actually, before his last 2, he had 4 straight of at least 7 innings.   Last start was 5, tonight was 6 2/3.

I like that Girardi benched Sanchez.  

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1 hour ago, chirorob said:

Actually, before his last 2, he had 4 straight of at least 7 innings.   Last start was 5, tonight was 6 2/3.

I like that Girardi benched Sanchez.  

I stand corrected. I just always seem to remember him getting yanked before making it to the 7th, definitely glad to be wrong hah. Sanchez's defensive woes are a bit surprising. Everyone said last year that he called a great game, ontop of having an absolute cannon. Def like Girardi making that move, hopefully Sanchez responds well.

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2 hours ago, BroadwayJoe12 said:

I stand corrected. I just always seem to remember him getting yanked before making it to the 7th, definitely glad to be wrong hah. Sanchez's defensive woes are a bit surprising. Everyone said last year that he called a great game, ontop of having an absolute cannon. Def like Girardi making that move, hopefully Sanchez responds well.

Sanchez has been playing with a groin all year, but some of it has to do with just, getting in the dirt and blocking pitches.

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Severino continues his incredible run.  Yeah, last game (while great) was an anomaly because he got pulled after 5 due to the high pitch count (a lot of strikeouts and bad counts).  Otherwise, he leads the starters in average length of starts.

Sanchez' D has regressed and he'll work it out.  Everyone, including him, knows it's an issue.  He was great behind the plate last year.  The groin injury and supposedly bulking up in the offseason has impacted his flexibility.

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On 8/1/2017 at 9:58 AM, SMC said:

I think 3000 hits is still a magical number.  It hasn't been deflated like 500 because of PEDs.  3000 is more of a longevity number.  Beltre is getting into the HOF, as will Pujols and Miggy.  Beltran won't because he's too old to hit the magical numbers.

The interesting thing is 300 wins.  Like you said, even the top flight pitchers today aren't going to sniff 250.

I was looking at numbers.   Greg Maddux is amazing, and almost over looked because he played at the same time as Randy and Pedro.  Over a 9 year period, he finished top 5 in Cy Young 8 times.   Won 4 in a row.

He also led the league in innings pitched 5 straight years.   That doesn't include being in the post season every year.   Even more amazing, he won 355 games.   No one will touch that in the next 50 years. 

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The offense is a problem.  I know Hicks and Castro are out and they will help but they have been in a big funk for awhile now.  

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45 minutes ago, gqxluvx said:

The offense is a problem.  I know Hicks and Castro are out and they will help but they have been in a big funk for awhile now.  

I saw that since the all star break they lead the majors in runners left on base.  No, I don't have the link.

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1 hour ago, chirorob said:

I saw that since the all star break they lead the majors in runners left on base.  No, I don't have the link.

I remember hearing since July 4 or something they have the worst BA and runs scored in all of the AL.  So its a big problem right now.  Honestly they dont have enough guys that work at bats.  Judge is obviously struggling but besides Gardy there is no consistent grinder in the line up.  Headley is hitting well recently but guys Didi and Clint Frazier are free swingers and dont work the counts.  Todd Frazier actually has a had some good at bats lately but there are so many automatic outs right now.

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7 minutes ago, gqxluvx said:

I remember hearing since July 4 or something they have the worst BA and runs scored in all of the AL.  So its a big problem right now.  Honestly they dont have enough guys that work at bats.  Judge is obviously struggling but besides Gardy there is no consistent grinder in the line up.  Headley is hitting well recently but guys Didi and Clint Frazier are free swingers and dont work the counts.  Todd Frazier actually has a had some good at bats lately but there are so many automatic outs right now.

Clint should probably be sent down as soon as Hicks is available.  

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On 8/7/2017 at 1:35 PM, chirorob said:

I was looking at numbers.   Greg Maddux is amazing, and almost over looked because he played at the same time as Randy and Pedro.  Over a 9 year period, he finished top 5 in Cy Young 8 times.   Won 4 in a row.

He also led the league in innings pitched 5 straight years.   That doesn't include being in the post season every year.   Even more amazing, he won 355 games.   No one will touch that in the next 50 years. 

Maddux is a hall of famer.

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On 8/11/2017 at 10:25 AM, chirorob said:

Dear Yankees.

If you score, you will win more often.   That is all.

They scored at the right time last night.

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12 hours ago, thadude said:

Maddux is a hall of famer.

Of course he is, went in 1st ballot.   When people talk about that era, it's all Randy and Pedro.   I'm just saying, his win total was amazing, he was never linked to PEDs.   Could he have taken some, sure, but I can't see anyone else matching his win total.

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Man, we need to get Judge to start stance changing again soon. I know you need to cycle that crap, but man, he needs to take one for the team and stance change quickly.

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5 hours ago, NoBowles said:

Man, we need to get Judge to start stance changing again soon. I know you need to cycle that crap, but man, he needs to take one for the team and stance change quickly.

Wah I'm a mutts fan and my owner who got conned by Madoff soldoff key players wah!

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