JonEJet Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Tell me you don't miss this guy Curtis surely does....and I'm sure Cadillac is happy to have him He is one of the reasons why our rushihng sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 No, not really. Because its not like Curtis could ever go offtackle anyways. The whole line is not run blocking well, Becht wouldnt make 1 sh^t of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 No, not really. Because its not like Curtis could ever go offtackle anyways. The whole line is not run blocking well, Becht wouldnt make 1 sh^t of a difference. Martin's biggest gains were off-tackle (relatively speaking). His best play used to be the pitch play, which got ditched at some point. Becht was a huge contributor to blocking and a missiing piece of teh puzzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Martin's biggest gains were off-tackle (relatively speaking). His best play used to be the pitch play, which got ditched at some point. Becht was a huge contributor to blocking and a missiing piece of teh puzzle Becht is a way better blocker than Jolley, thats for sure. But Baker was a contributed as a blocker last season too. I remember reading that most plays were run on the side of the field where Baker was blocking. Maybe that was by design to fool the defense, but still, why would we run off our weakest blockers. This zone blocking scheme sucks. I'll give it 2 more weeks and then scrap the damn thing, and go back to a man to man scheme that the Jets ran last year. Having a healthy QB with a good arm might stop teams from blitzing some much and stuffing the run with 8 or more defenders. Curtis Martins lack of ability to take it the distance on a long run is killing this team. I have never seen a back go down easier in the open field in my entire life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 dierk, we're missing the puzzle itself, not a piece here & there. please show me one bright spark to this O. running game & passing game has been nonexsistent for 4 games this year what other pcs are there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 I've been saying this all along. I said it in the pre-season. We all hated Becht because he had stone-hands, but he was a beast blocking TE. Combine his loss with the loss of a big Tackle like Kareem, and you are left with a "finesse" line full of guys light in the pants who can't move anybody. Curtis is too slow to make plays out of nothing. He needs a hole and he's very good at making the most of it, falling forward, eeking out an extra yard or two. But force him to dodge defenders, break tackles or outrun them in the backfield and he's useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 dierk, we're missing the puzzle itself, not a piece here & there. please show me one bright spark to this O. running game & passing game has been nonexsistent for 4 games this year what other pcs are there? That is how offenses work. You got to have one componenet to kick start the other component. Right now neither componenet is there, and when you have that, you look like we did on Sunday. Before, the Jets could lean on their O-line, and know that eventually that would get them going. They don't have that luxury anymore. It all starts up front, I don't care who your skill players are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 That is how offenses work. You got to have one componenet to kick start the other component. Right now neither componenet is there, and when you have that, you look like we did on Sunday. Before, the Jets could lean on their O-line, and know that eventually that would get them going. They don't have that luxury anymore. It all starts up front, I don't care who your skill players are. are you guys saying cris baker can't block & becht was our savior? I have never read 1 post that said sorry to see becht go. now we all wish he was back here? was I the only one watching his penalties & bad blocks at the end of the pittsburgh game? he was terrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bman Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Becht cant make Fabini faster or Pennington's arm better...or healthier... he also cant make Martin younger or quicker to the hole.. and he certainly cant make Herm a real coach... those are the offensive problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 are you guys saying cris baker can't block & becht was our savior? Jesus, of course not. I'm saying Becht was an awesome blocker, and he was replaced with Doug Jolley. Becht was like having an extra tackle. If you're gonna move him out, you've got to account for what you've lost. We didn't. We took Jolley who barely sees a snap and who's biggest knock was his lack of blocking technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Jesus, of course not. I'm saying Becht was an awesome blocker, and he was replaced with Doug Jolley. Becht was like having an extra tackle. If you're gonna move him out, you've got to account for what you've lost. We didn't. We took Jolley who barely sees a snap and who's biggest knock was his lack of blocking technique. Jolley hasnt been playing at all this year. I havent seen him as our TE on a run play once this season, unless it would be 2 TE sets, and we have ran that set rarely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 Jesus, of course not. I'm saying Becht was an awesome blocker, and he was replaced with Doug Jolley. Becht was like having an extra tackle. If you're gonna move him out, you've got to account for what you've lost. We didn't. We took Jolley who barely sees a snap and who's biggest knock was his lack of blocking technique. cris baker replaced becht & just like there are plays where only jolley is in & not baker, there were plays that becht was not in last year & we ran alright. I agree becht was a good blocker but so is baker. Jolley has not done squat, which not only sucks, but means tomshane was right all along, & don't we all hate it when that happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 I've been saying this all along. I said it in the pre-season. We all hated Becht because he had stone-hands, but he was a beast blocking TE. Combine his loss with the loss of a big Tackle like Kareem, and you are left with a "finesse" line full of guys light in the pants who can't move anybody. Curtis is too slow to make plays out of nothing. He needs a hole and he's very good at making the most of it, falling forward, eeking out an extra yard or two. But force him to dodge defenders, break tackles or outrun them in the backfield and he's useless. Forcing Martin to break tackles, juke out defenders or run past Dlineman?? Who do you think is!?!?! Show Curt some respect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 cris baker replaced becht & just like there are plays where only jolley is in & not baker, there were plays that becht was not in last year & we ran alright. I agree becht was a good blocker but so is baker. Jolley has not done squat, which not only sucks, but means tomshane was right all along, & don't we all hate it when that happens I can't agree that Baker replaced Becht. We already had Baker. Baker and Becht played at the same time on the same team. We replaced Becht with Jolley, and Baker won the starting role. So, the question is, who was better, Becht/Baker or Jolley/Baker. The blame lies with Bradway on this. He's the one who brought in a player that was a downgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 well, since you put it that way lance, your right & i'm wrong. but mark my words, I will win a football argument with someone,somewhere. maybe not this year, but it will happen. my point is that baker is not much of a dropoff to becht when blocking, and our O would be no better really with him. Our problems are too numerous & there is no switching out 1 guy to make a huge impact(except qback which is not realistic). we suck collectively speaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 That is how offenses work. You got to have one componenet to kick start the other component. Right now neither componenet is there, and when you have that, you look like we did on Sunday. Before, the Jets could lean on their O-line, and know that eventually that would get them going. They don't have that luxury anymore. It all starts up front, I don't care who your skill players are. Dam Scottie I thought we agreed Martins best play was the 3rd and 20 draw play for 15 yds?? :wink: I said 2 years ago Make Becht a O-lineman! Throw 30+ pounds on him and he's good to go!! Hey things could be worse..We could have the Raiders O-line!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I've been saying this all along. I said it in the pre-season. We all hated Becht because he had stone-hands, but he was a beast blocking TE. Combine his loss with the loss of a big Tackle like Kareem, and you are left with a "finesse" line full of guys light in the pants who can't move anybody. Curtis is too slow to make plays out of nothing. He needs a hole and he's very good at making the most of it, falling forward, eeking out an extra yard or two. But force him to dodge defenders, break tackles or outrun them in the backfield and he's useless. Well it's a darn good thing we have a gunslinger QB taking snaps out of the shotgun, and 4 and 5 receiver formations. Because boy, if we didn't, I tell ya what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Once again, here we go with guys that are no longer here being so damn wonderful when last yaer everybody was ripping them a new a$$hole. Becht is wonderful - He could block but he could not catch a cold. Santana Moss, blah blah blah. Paul Hackett, blah blah blah. What next, Rich Kotite was wonderful, he just had some bad luck? Fat Teddy was a great D-Coordinator. These guys are gone for a reason.....THEY SUCK!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 well, since you put it that way lance, your right & i'm wrong. but mark my words, I will win a football argument with someone,somewhere. maybe not this year, but it will happen. I take offense to being labeled "right". It totally screws up my inadequacy theme. Please edit your post to state that I am an idiot, and then poke fun at me, inviting as many others as possible to point and snicker. Yours truly, SLM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickkotite Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 well he is liked in tampa. as is hacket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 No, not really. Because its not like Curtis could ever go offtackle anyways. The whole line is not run blocking well, Becht wouldnt make 1 sh^t of a difference. barton, that is such a dumb comment. So CuMar led the NFL in rushing last season because of all his huge yardage up the gut between the tackles? Martin's bread and butter play last year was the quick toss off tackle. And guess who always made the initial down-block to spring him? I'll give you a hint, he doesn't play for the Jets anymore. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenjetsfan Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 I can't wait to see him Sunday!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 well he is liked in tampa. as is hacket Have you been listening to sports radio down here? Former Jet Ian Beckles has a morning show, and there's a lot of grumbling about Becht dropping passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Did Walter Payton, Eddie George, Tony Dorsett, and Emmitt Smith go downhill because they lost a crucial blocking tight end? No, they went downhill because they got old. There are no running backs that mantain dominance into their 30's after carrying a heavy workload for 10 years. Curtis Martin was NEVER a dominant back to begin with. Anyone that thinks this has more to do with losing Anthony Becht than pounding the ball with a 32-year old running back is insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Anyone that thinks this has more to do with losing Anthony Becht than pounding the ball with a 32-year old running back is insane. No one is saying that, that I've read. What's being said is: we are saddled with an aging, slowing RB who needs big holes now more than ever. He can't run if the line is stuffed and the edges are being strung-out. Losing a big vet tackle for a small inexpeienced tackle hurts the cause. Losing a big blocking TE only makes it worse. Pointing a single finger in a single direction is oversimplification. No passing game=eight in the box. Eight in the box VS. a shaky O-line means zero running game. Curtis isn't great, but his age is one of many factors (and not the biggest of them IMO) killing our running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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