Blackout Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 Rondo played the ENTIRE game plus over time....how many players do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 over rated? What you saw last night was a guy perfectly capable of carrying his team offensively and didn't up until Game 2 of the 3rd round. That's not a good thing and only goes to further highlight how inconsistent of a player he is. Good players can do that. Not great ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 If he could consintently hit that jumper he's top 5 player in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 it's true Rondo is the best point guard in the league hand's down...nobody can touch him defensively and he's the best play maker and passer in the league all he needs is that jumpshot to be consistent and BAM.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 all he needs is that jumpshot to be consistent and BAM.... Oh, that's all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Rondo is the best point guard in the league hand's down... Paging BroadwayJoe, paging BroadwayJoe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Oh, that's all? All Mark Sanchez needs is for that passing to be consistent..then, BAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 Paging BroadwayJoe, paging BroadwayJoe... you still use a pager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 21 points, 10 assists Rutgets Jet must be very disappointed in Rondo, I mean clearly he should have 40 every game right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Rutgets Jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 that's what you look like??????? lmao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr726 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I hope that pic is from the 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I hope that pic is from the 90's. 90's? That was my celebration outfit for Johan's NoNo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 2, 2012 Author Share Posted June 2, 2012 hahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cr726 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 BS more like a Strawberry grand slam! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Rondo is built like the old school guys... taking direct shots at the Heat Iove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I had to rewind my TV to make sure Magic indeed compared Rondo to a young Fat Lever. He did. LMAO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Rondo is built like the old school guys... taking direct shots at the Heat Iove it. How are you opening holes in their defense?? We're taking advantage of them whining and complaining to the refs during transition. ****in loved it. Any other series and i despise the celtics, but that comment had me dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 4, 2012 Author Share Posted June 4, 2012 CELTICSSSS!!!! now we gotta take game 5 son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Wow. Kudos to Rondo. What a series he's having. Officially impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I had to rewind my TV to make sure Magic indeed compared Rondo to a young Fat Lever. He did. LMAO. What's so funny about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 What's so funny about that? The Fat Lever reference in itself. Rondo's much better too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 The Fat Lever reference in itself. Rondo's much better too It's actually not the first time I've heard the comparison. Fat Lever is criminally underrated. The player he was from '86-'90 (before he hurt his knee) is better than Rondo is at this moment IMO. Over those 4 seasons, his per games averages were 18.8 pts/8.9 reb(!)/7.5 assists/2.5 steals. Over the last 4 years, Rondo is at 12.1 pts/4.7 reb/10.0 assists/2.1 steals. Even era-adjusted, Lever's numbers are far better. I mean, people get wet over Rondo's rebounding and in Lever, you're talking about a 6'3" PG who was grabbing 9 boards a game and could actually sink his free throws. Since the '86 season, only Kidd and Magic have more triple-doubles than Lever. In 115 more career games, LeBron has 10 less triple-doubles than Lever's 42. Rondo also has a tremendous advantage in playing on a better team, as Alex English was the only All-Star that Lever had the benefit of playing alongside. I don't think the comparison is laughable at all, even if it was muttered by a dope like Magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 It's actually not the first time I've heard the comparison. Fat Lever is criminally underrated. The player he was from '86-'90 (before he hurt his knee) is better than Rondo is at this moment IMO. Over those 4 seasons, his per games averages were 18.8 pts/8.9 reb(!)/7.5 assists/2.5 steals. Over the last 4 years, Rondo is at 12.1 pts/4.7 reb/10.0 assists/2.1 steals. Even era-adjusted, Lever's numbers are far better. I mean, people get wet over Rondo's rebounding and in Lever, you're talking about a 6'3" PG who was grabbing 9 boards a game and could actually sink his free throws. Since the '86 season, only Kidd and Magic have more triple-doubles than Lever. In 115 more career games, LeBron has 10 less triple-doubles than Lever's 42. Rondo also has a tremendous advantage in playing on a better team, as Alex English was the only All-Star that Lever had the benefit of playing alongside. I don't think the comparison is laughable at all, even if it was muttered by a dope like Magic. I have the Dallas Maverick Lever in my head I guess. I'm really too young to really say. But Earvin dropping his name was pretty funny considering the audience probably has zero idea who he was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I have the Dallas Maverick Lever in my head I guess. I'm really too young to really say. But Earvin dropping his name was pretty funny considering the audience probably has zero idea who he was talking about. Oh, I agree that the comparison would be lost on most of the people watching the game. There are other similarities there as well - both are good defenders and have ugly shots. Dallas Fat Lever was post knee injury and he was a shell of himself. Obviously, sports coverage wasn't what it is today, so I wasn't watching a lot of Denver Nuggets regular season games, but I remember watching them in the playoffs back then (even though I was young-ish) and have caught some old footage as an adult as well. Rondo is cut from the same mold... I'd say (younger) Kidd falls into the same category as well, as point guards who can control the game and are capable of scoring without having a consistent shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Oh, I agree that the comparison would be lost on most of the people watching the game. There are other similarities there as well - both are good defenders and have ugly shots. Dallas Fat Lever was post knee injury and he was a shell of himself. Obviously, sports coverage wasn't what it is today, so I wasn't watching a lot of Denver Nuggets regular season games, but I remember watching them in the playoffs back then (even though I was young-ish) and have caught some old footage as an adult as well. Rondo is cut from the same mold... I'd say (younger) Kidd falls into the same category as well, as point guards who can control the game and are capable of scoring without having a consistent shot. I was having this conversation last night cued up by the Magic references. He's like a combo of Kidd (looks to pass first, no real offensive game), Stockton (incredible court vision) and Thomas (ability to penetrate the lane with ease). If I had to just say one player, it would be a young Kidd. Has no offense, wants to pass first, but can rebound as well. He's the only real comparison IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 He's the only real comparison IMO. Other than Fat Lever, of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I'm not sure any team has made a series of disastrous moves as much as Portland did between Lever and Bowie. Even Calvin Natt too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 4, 2012 Author Share Posted June 4, 2012 Rondo is the best point guard since Oscar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I'm not sure any team has made a series of disastrous moves as much as Portland did between Lever and Bowie. Even Calvin Natt too. I think the series of moves that led to the "Stepien Rule" trumps it... In a course of two years, the Cavs made a bunch of trades that netted them essentially nothing useful while giving up players like Bill Laimbeer, Charles Oakley, and James Edwards in addition to draft picks (every #1 from '81 through '86 and numerous others) that ended up being James Worthy, Derek Harper, Sam Perkins, Detlef Schrempf, Roy Tarpley (awesome when not suspended for being a cokehead), and Dennis Rodman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I think the series of moves that led to the "Stepien Rule" trumps it... In a course of two years, the Cavs made a bunch of trades that netted them essentially nothing useful while giving up players like Bill Laimbeer, Charles Oakley, and James Edwards in addition to draft picks (every #1 from '81 through '86 and numerous others) that ended up being James Worthy, Derek Harper, Sam Perkins, Detlef Schrempf, Roy Tarpley (awesome when not suspended for being a cokehead), and Dennis Rodman. I don't know where the line is to be honest, or where to even start comparing them. Stepien wrecked a franchise and Portland blew what would have been probably the most dominant dynasty ever. I'll forever appreciate the hilarity of the Stepien Rule preventing Isiah from doing further damage though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I don't know where the line is to be honest, or where to even start comparing them. Stepien wrecked a franchise and Portland blew what would have been probably the most dominant dynasty ever. I'll forever appreciate the hilarity of the Stepien Rule preventing Isiah from doing further damage though. I don't think the Lever trade really factors into it all that much, because if he's still there, they don't draft Terry Porter with their #1 in '85. You really don't need to look any further than Bowie over Jordan as the defining move. Assuming that the only change is that draft pick, in '89-'90, you're looking at a starting 5 of: Porter Jordan Drexler Buck Williams Duckworth with a bench of Kersey, Cliff Robinson, and Petrovic. There's no way that team loses to Detroit in the Finals. In '90-'91, swap Ainge for Petro in the rotation... that team gets past the Lakers in the WCF. In '91-'92, they return the same team and beat whoever is representing the East, since a Jordan-less Bulls team wouldn't be sniffing the Finals. You can continue doing the same for the rest of Jordan's career... it's easily the worst singular transaction in NBA history. My point was just that if you're looking at a series of events that set back a franchise, Stepien wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I don't think the Lever trade really factors into it all that much, because if he's still there, they don't draft Terry Porter with their #1 in '85. You really don't need to look any further than Bowie over Jordan as the defining move. Assuming that the only change is that draft pick, in '89-'90, you're looking at a starting 5 of: Porter Jordan Drexler Buck Williams Duckworth with a bench of Kersey, Cliff Robinson, and Petrovic. There's no way that team loses to Detroit in the Finals. In '90-'91, swap Ainge for Petro in the rotation... that team gets past the Lakers in the WCF. In '91-'92, they return the same team and beat whoever is representing the East, since a Jordan-less Bulls team wouldn't be sniffing the Finals. You can continue doing the same for the rest of Jordan's career... it's easily the worst singular transaction in NBA history. My point was just that if you're looking at a series of events that set back a franchise, Stepien wins. You're forgetting Nutt and that other big too, name escapes me but he was solid. They already had one of the deepest teams in the league and I think the only thing they got in return for all their moves was Kiki. Even taking Porter into account that is horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 If the guy had a jump shot he'd be one of the top 5 players in the league. He's got crazy good skills and vision, still thought his along with the rest of the Celtics done their best to **** up the end of the game last night, their offense was putrid towards the end, hilarious to see Pietrus rebounding like a demon only for the Celtics to do **** all with it. I think the Spurs or especially the Thunder would blow these two teams away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyHector Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 You're forgetting Nutt and that other big too, name escapes me but he was solid. They already had one of the deepest teams in the league and I think the only thing they got in return for all their moves was Kiki. Even taking Porter into account that is horrendous. Wayne Cooper. Both he and had a couple of good seasons in Denver, but were done by the time Jordan would've been in his 3rd year and/or been replaced by better players (Kersey and a couple of years later, Buck Williams). Don't get me wrong, the Kiki trade was horrible (they send #1 and #2 picks as well), but I don't think it would've made any difference in their ability to build a dynasty had they simply drafted Jordan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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