Lego My Lageman Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 Conor Orr @ConorTOrr Geno will take the majority of first team reps today. #nyj 5m Beat Writer / Columnist Kicking the door down yet? And so it begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Conor Orr @ConorTOrr Geno will take the majority of first team reps today. #nyj 5m Beat Writer / Columnist Kicking the door down yet? By taking first team reps in mini camp in June? Not at all. This is the best time for him to get first team reps, when it's not training camp, to get his feet wet. This just makes logical sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 it's not that complicated. If geno was the franchise QB he'd overcome all that and be working with the first team right now. FQB don't need doors opened for them, they kick them down. Geno working with the first team today must feel like a huge cockslap to your hyperbole, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Rex has been saying all along that some days Geno practices with the first team, some days Sanchez does. It just so happens that the days when the public or press was allowed to attend, Sanchez was with the first team. And things were read into it that may not be justified. Just like things are being read into Geno being with the first team today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 The only funny thing are the people who think that after sucking out loud for 4 years that Sanchez can somehow MAGICALLY become good. It has happened. Mornhinweg is probably the best Offensive Coordinator Sanchez has ever had. Schottenheimer is complicated-or overcomplicated-and Sparano tried to execute "ground and pound" with a running back who didn't average 4 yards a carry. After LaDainian Tomlinson left Sanchez didn't have a quick back to pass or even pitch to. Receivers? The less said the better. I realize most fans think that Sanchez' performance was still unacceptable even taking these and other things into account, and maybe they're right. Whatever, the company line now is that they are having a competition to see who starts, and I see no reason to disbelieve the competition is honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 It has happened. Mornhinweg is probably the best Offensive Coordinator Sanchez has ever had. Schottenheimer is complicated-or overcomplicated-and Sparano tried to execute "ground and pound" with a running back who didn't average 4 yards a carry. After LaDainian Tomlinson left Sanchez didn't have a quick back to pass or even pitch to. Receivers? The less said the better. I realize most fans think that Sanchez' performance was still unacceptable even taking these and other things into account, and maybe they're right. Whatever, the company line now is that they are having a competition to see who starts, and I see no reason to disbelieve the competition is honest. Oh it's probably honest but if Sanchez wins it, all we'll know is that we have to draft another QB in the first round in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Thats the frustrating part of this whole "QB competition". No way of knowing how good or bad either QB is. Oline is going to be a problem in these early camps, as they've stuck guys like Colon and Peterman in there, with rookies rotating...then add to that the fact that the WR's are nobodies and the whole crew is running a brand new offense with the third OC in three years...and they're going against a Rex-run defense. We won't know crap until midway through the preseason at the earliest. Boo. Bullsh**. We have 4 years of evidence to suggest Sanchez is awful. All we're waiting to see is if Geno shows us ANYTHING so that we can put him under center sooner rather than later. it's not that complicated. If geno was the franchise QB he'd overcome all that and be working with the first team right now. FQB don't need doors opened for them, they kick them down. (Note: Quoting sucks. This should read Bitonti as being quoted) Bullsh** again. Not everyone is like Russell Wilson and has a 1 month learning curve. After a rookie training session and a few days of minicamp, total lack of WR's, underperforming line and a brand new offense, nobody's kicking any doors down. That's utterly impossible. Same can be said for Sanchez, though. The playing field is heavily tilted toward the defense at this point. Pass completions are going to be the exception rather than the rule this early on. Anyone arguing that Geno should have taken over anything at this point is being a bit premature. Meh, neither QB deserves a free pass for poor play, but Sanchez doesn't get any benefit of the doubt for sure. Because, you know, he's not a f***ing rookie. i learned from the Jetnation podcast that Andrew Luck completed 75% of his practice reps last year. If Sanchez is at 50% and Geno is at 50%, the Jets are picking between two bad options. My whole point isn't that Geno stinks or isn't a FQB just that he should earn the job. It's not some sort of conspiracy that the depth chart is the way it is... look at the schedule. It's easier for the jets to start Sanchez and bench him for Geno late than the opposite. You've said many times that Geno Smith is not an Andrew Luck. So why should we be expecting him to perform like Andrew Luck in camp? It sounds "easier" for the Jets to start with Sanchez from your armchair HC position, but Rex Ryan is coaching for his job. If he's going to pick between 2 QB's that are about equally bad, it makes far more sense for him to pick the rookie rather than the guy who's sucked a lot longer. If Geno and Sanchez are equals, then Geno already has the edge in this QB battle seeing as he's only been here 2 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Bullsh**. We have 4 years of evidence to suggest Sanchez is awful. All we're waiting to see is if Geno shows us ANYTHING so that we can put him under center sooner rather than later. (Note: Quoting sucks. This should read Bitonti as being quoted) Bullsh** again. Not everyone is like Russell Wilson and has a 1 month learning curve. Meh, neither QB deserves a free pass for poor play, but Sanchez doesn't get any benefit of the doubt for sure. Because, you know, he's not a f***ing rookie. You've said many times that Geno Smith is not an Andrew Luck. So why should we be expecting him to perform like Andrew Luck in camp? It sounds "easier" for the Jets to start with Sanchez from your armchair HC position, but Rex Ryan is coaching for his job. If he's going to pick between 2 QB's that are about equally bad, it makes far more sense for him to pick the rookie rather than the guy who's sucked a lot longer. If Geno and Sanchez are equals, then Geno already has the edge in this QB battle seeing as he's only been here 2 months. Who knows what Rex things. At this point he seems to think Geno can run like Kapernick. Lets hope MM knows better or this could be a disaster for Geno and his career. And if this is the last straw for Rex, what's he get out of putting a rookie QB into play? He refused to play Tebow last year for whatever reason, so I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play Geno this year. If Rex thinks Geno will win him games and save his career and job, he might start him. If he thinks he's screwed no matter what, he probably could care less about the offense and just concentrate on the defense. Kind of like he has done. And if thats the case, it comes down to what MM thinks and he might be of the "let Geno sit for a year" mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 It sounds "easier" for the Jets to start with Sanchez from your armchair HC position, but Rex Ryan is coaching for his job. If he's going to pick between 2 QB's that are about equally bad, it makes far more sense for him to pick the rookie rather than the guy who's sucked a lot longer. Rex isn't going to win any points with his boss if he ruins Geno before he's ready. The NFL season is long, and the narratives often change over the course of the year. If Sanchez starts the first four games, those games will be largely forgotten by most everyone by the end of the season if Geno starts the rest of the way. If Sanchez starts the first half of the season, the second half becomes let's see what Geno can do? If he does well -or shows anything really- that will bode well for Rex. He'll've shown patience with the rookie, and it will look like that patience is paying off. Throw Geno in there to start the season, while everyone is still getting on the same page with the offense, the OL is still coagulating, against the hardest part of the schedule... ? You're asking for trouble. You can destroy the kid's confidence early and, worse, you have nowhere to go at QB from there except back to Sanchez. Let Mark take those lumps. As much as you may want Sanchez out of there, throwing Geno in week one -unless he's absolutely crushing it in camp- is a serious mistake. One that will not be good for the Jets, Rex's career, or Geno's. The Jets will have plenty of opportunities to pull Sanchez during the course of the year. They should wait until they feel Geno is at least close to ready before pulling the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Rex isn't going to win any points with his boss if he ruins Geno before he's ready. The NFL season is long, and the narratives often change over the course of the year. If Sanchez starts the first four games, those games will be largely forgotten by most everyone by the end of the season if Geno starts the rest of the way. If Sanchez starts the first half of the season, the second half becomes let's see what Geno can do? If he does well -or shows anything really- that will bode well for Rex. He'll've shown patience with the rookie, and it will look like that patience is paying off. Throw Geno in there to start the season, while everyone is still getting on the same page with the offense, the OL is still coagulating, against the hardest part of the schedule... ? You're asking for trouble. You can destroy the kid's confidence early and, worse, you have nowhere to go at QB from there except back to Sanchez. Let Mark take those lumps. As much as you may want Sanchez out of there, throwing Geno in week one -unless he's absolutely crushing it in camp- is a serious mistake. One that will not be good for the Jets, Rex's career, or Geno's. The Jets will have plenty of opportunities to pull Sanchez during the course of the year. They should wait until they feel Geno is at least close to ready before pulling the trigger. Agree 100%. Starting Smith for the sake of not starting Sanchez Week 1 is not going to improve the franchise in any way. They'd only do it to appease the fan base, but fans get butthurt about everything, and become rabid psychos at the first provocation. You start Smith Week 1 and there's 10,000x more pressure than there will be on him when Sanchez finally hits the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 the best player plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 the best player plays Geno beating out Sanchez doesn't mean he's ready to be a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 it's not that complicated. If geno was the franchise QB he'd overcome all that and be working with the first team right now. FQB don't need doors opened for them, they kick them down. LOL that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. You were joking right? Yeah. You were joking. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 LOL that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. You were joking right? Yeah. You were joking. My bad. I find it ridiculous that fans believe Geno is better than Mark, because they hope it's true. The best player plays. Simple enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Somebody get on the horn with the ******* Raiders and trade Sanchez for a song (ok a 4th round pick). Then let Geno get anihilated this season and get the first pick in the draft and get another QB in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I find it ridiculous that fans believe Geno is better than Mark, because they hope it's true. The best player plays. Simple enough. you know what I find ridiculous ? Our entire offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted June 15, 2013 Share Posted June 15, 2013 you know what I find ridiculous ? Our entire offense And therein lies the rub. Our entire offense. All of it. It was very good a few years ago, which is why a mediocre rook took them to the AFCCG. Now it's so bad, it would take an all pro to QB make it successful. unfortunately, those guys are exceedingly rare. So you'd think we'd build an awesome line and just run over people until we needed to pass. Which was supposed to be the plan, once. Until the Oline went to sh*t. And the WR position went to sh*t. Now we want to figure out who our best QB is. How? How the hell can we possibly gauge that? Even as sucky as Sanchez was the last two seasons, can we say we know he's incapable? I can't. He was the QB for two deep playoff runs. But fat ass spent all his time, money, and draft picks on his first love. Defense. Now we have a line and wr corps that's atrocious. Poor Geno. He aught to throw the competition now and hope for the best next year when Mark is playing backup for the Dolphins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 agree that the WR Stinks but the OL was top 5 last year (according to PFF) and even with losing 2 guards they are no worse than top 15. The Jets have an average line, which could be above average if players like Colon and Winters come on strong. The Line isn't as good as the Faneca days but it's not even close to being the league's worst. Look at Atlanta's line or San Diego for examples of truly bad lines. Until the Oline went to sh*t. Now we have a line and wr corps that's atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 If our WR corps dont get some help were going to be deploying a LOT of 2 back sets. I rather see Geno out there making those easy completions instead of Mark tossing them to the DL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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