SouthernJet Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 We need a QB who can read progressions and win with his mind. Todd McShay has a great tidbit on why pocket QB smarts is so important in NFL... ""Can you win from inside the pocket? We've gone through how many years of people getting all excited about these mobile quarterbacks that can run around and do all this stuff? If you can't win from inside the pocket with your anticipation, with your pre-snap reads, your post-snap reads, throwing to spots and having excellent ball placement, we haven't seen anyone overcome that, when you look at all the top quarterbacks in the league, year in and year out. "Yeah, you may have one year. Colin Kaepernick had one year where he was really good, but then defenses have an offseason to look at his tendencies and to figure it out. " FYI: He likes Winston as best QB in class based on on field only he reiterates, LOL link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Is Bryn Renner available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Is Bryn Renner available? Ya, Denver cut him. I always wanted him, still think he is at minimum Matt Simms type, smart, would always be good Scout QB can learn system of upcoming fast to help prepare defense.. I hear he never fully recovered form shoulder injury though and lost some pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 contrary to popular belief, Geno Smith is a fairly smart dude. He works hard and crushes film off the field. He got a 24 on the wonderlic. But on the field he can't seem to make those decisions in real time. It's not really intelligence that he's missing. It's cognition. Being able to recognise details like who is blitzing and how many blockers he has, finding the hot route, all in 2.5 seconds. That's Geno's problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 So if Winston there at 6 do we take him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 contrary to popular belief, Geno Smith is a fairly smart dude. He works hard and crushes film off the field. He got a 24 on the wonderlic. But on the field he can't seem to make those decisions in real time. It's not really intelligence that he's missing. It's cognition. Being able to recognise details like who is blitzing and how many blockers he has, finding the hot route, all in 2.5 seconds. That's Geno's problem I have zero issue with work ethic, but like you say, I watching football 54 years now, and he DOES NOT GET IT on the field. cant read progressions or defense disguises at all!!!! changed thread title to alleviate confusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Mcshay likes Winston better than Mariotta based on the field results- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Our QBs for next year should be: Geno Smith Mike Glennon Bryce Petty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Mcshay likes Winston better than Mariotta based on the field results- ya, I think i said that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Our QBs for next year should be: Geno Smith Mike Glennon Bryce Petty Is Glennon a Free Agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Our QB should be Russell Wilson. Bradway and Tanny were in War Room shouting match (I hear it was LOUD) on Draft Day over it. Bradway was so pro-Wilson he told Tanny the kid is a AllPro and jets will regret not taking him. He wanted him in 2nd round and then kept yelling to trade up in 3rd. Seattle grabbed him 2 spots ahead of u sin 3rd. We will never know if Tanny would have taken him... 75. Seattle Seahawks - Russell Wilson - Quarterback - Wisconsin76. Houston Texans - Brandon Brooks - Guard - Miami (Ohio)77. New York Jets - Demario Davis - Linebacker - Arkansas State Bout only thing Pro Bradway I can say LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khesanh Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I love Sean Mannion QB for Oregon state kid is a field general and a 4 year starter. He is very good a pre snap reads , but tends to no step into the pocket at time to throw his drops get deeper and deeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I have zero issue with work ethic, but like you say, I watching football 54 years now, and he DOES NOT GET IT on the field. cant read progressions or defense disguises at all!!!! changed thread title to alleviate confusion I don't think Geno is the answer either but for different reasons. For a young player I think he reads defenses pretty well sans the delayed blitz which he seems to have a real problem recognizing. To be fair there are veterans that struggle recognizing the delayed blitzs. If you go back and review the tape of the last 2 years, it's very rare you will moments where he made the incorrect read. How often has the defense tricked him into an INT? I can only think of a couple early in his rookie year. The vast majority of his INTs since have been poor and/or late throws. You can blame some of that on his very inconsistent fundamentals. While his arm is good, it's simply not good enough to overcome his poor footwork. He also lacks anticipation. Geno throws at WRs rather than spots on the field. He has other issues with pocket awareness and the understanding of situational football, but those are unrelated to the actual act of throwing the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Is Glennon a Free Agent? No, but he is cheap, and out of favor with Lovie Smith. Once they draft Mariota (and still have McCown), my guess is they cut bait with Glennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 I don't think Geno is the answer either but for different reasons. For a young player I think he reads defenses pretty well sans the delayed blitz which he seems to have a real problem recognizing. To be fair there are veterans that struggle recognizing the delayed blitzs. If you go back and review the tape of the last 2 years, it's very rare you will moments where he made the incorrect read. How often has the defense tricked him into an INT? I can only think of a couple early in his rookie year. The vast majority of his INTs since have been poor and/or late throws. You can blame some of that on his very inconsistent fundamentals. While his arm is good, it's simply not good enough to overcome his poor footwork. He also lacks anticipation. Geno throws at WRs rather than spots on the field. He has other issues with pocket awareness and the understanding of situational football, but those are unrelated to the actual act of throwing the football. Thats progression greatness,,ability to know where second, third WR are and throw to spot with minimal peripheral peek, knowing its 1 on 1 coverage. Amaro should have had a banner year if Geno was able to check down quicker to safety valves as opposed to panic and turn around and start scrambling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 A quarterback who can make reads? I think you may be on to something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Thats progression greatness,,ability to know where second, third WR are and throw to spot with minimal periferal peek, knowing its 1 on 1 coverage I think he knows where they are and where they will be. He just seems to hold the ball until he sees his man break open rather than anticipating and using proper ball placement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 I think he knows where they are and where they will be. He just seems to hold the ball until he sees his man break open rather than anticipating and using proper ball placement. call whatever u want, but progression greatness is balls to know when and where to throw. Knowing is crap if you dont make the throw to right place. I have sen other QBs go thru 3 or 4 progressions and end up making great play.. Geno also rarely steps UP in pocket, its usually step back or twirl around, a sure sign he isnt great QB material. All the great ones have a knack of taking that 1 to 1 1/2 step up or sideways up, as opposed to 'hightail out of Dodge' move Geno has perfected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 contrary to popular belief, Geno Smith is a fairly smart dude. He works hard and crushes film off the field. He got a 24 on the wonderlic. But on the field he can't seem to make those decisions in real time. It's not really intelligence that he's missing. It's cognition. Being able to recognise details like who is blitzing and how many blockers he has, finding the hot route, all in 2.5 seconds. That's Geno's problem Well put. Thats one of the issue I have with our OC. Lions were blitzing like crazy in the first half and Romo had no answer for it. They really did a great job on him. Then towards the end of the first half and most of the 2nd half, Cowboys started going empty back spread offense. Thats where it gets much easier to see who will blitz. Jets rarely do that. The OC needs to be able to help out his QB with his play calling. Geno really showed some flashes in the last few games (just like 2013). I do think Geno will be a better QB in 2015. Much better than most of us make him out to be. I'd still like the Jets to draft Jameis if available. U can always trade one if they both realize their potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 ALL THE READS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Our QB should be Russell Wilson. Bradway and Tanny were in War Room shouting match (I hear it was LOUD) on Draft Day over it. Bradway was so pro-Wilson he told Tanny the kid is a AllPro and jets will regret not taking him. He wanted him in 2nd round and then kept yelling to trade up in 3rd. Seattle grabbed him 2 spots ahead of u sin 3rd. We will never know if Tanny would have taken him... 75. Seattle Seahawks - Russell Wilson - Quarterback - Wisconsin 76. Houston Texans - Brandon Brooks - Guard - Miami (Ohio) 77. New York Jets - Demario Davis - Linebacker - Arkansas State Bout only thing Pro Bradway I can say LOL Yeah I bet Bradway was breathing down Tanny's nose to trade up to draft Gholston as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yeah I bet Bradway was breathing down Tanny's nose to trade up to draft Gholston as well. I doubt it (The Ghoul was all Tanny I heard, fell in love with him at Underwear Olympics, aka Combine), but you have to admit he was right about Wilson and tanny was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 contrary to popular belief, Geno Smith is a fairly smart dude. He works hard and crushes film off the field. He got a 24 on the wonderlic. But on the field he can't seem to make those decisions in real time. It's not really intelligence that he's missing. It's cognition. Being able to recognise details like who is blitzing and how many blockers he has, finding the hot route, all in 2.5 seconds. That's Geno's problem This is also Mark Sanchez' problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Step 1: get a QB who makes reads. Step 2: evaluate whether or not reads are "smart" Step 3: get another QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Winston will go #1. Mariotta may be there at 6 when we pick. I have a feeling he will fall on draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Our QB should be Russell Wilson. Bradway and Tanny were in War Room shouting match (I hear it was LOUD) on Draft Day over it. Bradway was so pro-Wilson he told Tanny the kid is a AllPro and jets will regret not taking him. He wanted him in 2nd round and then kept yelling to trade up in 3rd. Seattle grabbed him 2 spots ahead of u sin 3rd. We will never know if Tanny would have taken him... 75. Seattle Seahawks - Russell Wilson - Quarterback - Wisconsin 76. Houston Texans - Brandon Brooks - Guard - Miami (Ohio) 77. New York Jets - Demario Davis - Linebacker - Arkansas State Bout only thing Pro Bradway I can say LOL I got another pro-Bradway thing. Bradway also wanted Alshon Jeffrey over Stephen Hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 I got another pro-Bradway thing. Bradway also wanted Alshon Jeffrey over Stephen Hill. I thought hill had a shot based on physical attributes and fact he was never used at GT, aka hidden gem , I was wrong , but we definitly drafted him way too high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Is Bryn Renner available? Jeremy Renner would make a better qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I got another pro-Bradway thing. Bradway also wanted Alshon Jeffrey over Stephen Hill. bradway traded up for D-Rob and traded a first rd pick for Mike Nugent and a worthless tight end. If Idzik is the worst talent evaluator in football Terry Bradway is number 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Dont like any qbs in this draft except Winston who isnt falling to 6. Trade a 3rd for Mike Glennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I do think Geno will be a better QB in 2015. Much better than most of us make him out to be. I'd still like the Jets to draft Jameis if available. U can always trade one if they both realize their potential. Geno did get slightly better towards the end. Winston at 6 is a pipedream. Here's to hoping I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Geno did get slightly better towards the end. Winston at 6 is a pipedream. Here's to hoping I guess. Geno is better than any of the free agent qbs out there. Tampa is taking Winston and apparently now that people are actually watching Mariota play the hype has died down a little. If we do draft Mariota at 6 we had better implement the Chip Kelly offense. Mariota trying to be a drop-back qb in the Meadowlands wind tunnel is a disaster recipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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