Tyrod Taylor to miss multiple weeks ... reported by LaConforna

[jeaniec]

You do realize its in Rexs best interest to keep the Bengals guessing, to not let them know who is or isnt starting

Yes

[nyjunc]

He was brought in to push him not compete with him. Not the same thing. Push him means Sanchez can't just suck again because the team would have another starting option. It doesn't mean each is competing for the job. No one thinks that. The damage was done: they'd just guaranteed him $20M a week earlier. 

If he was brought in just to be New Brad Smith, and not to be a real QB, they would have kept Stanton after picking up Tebow. Of course, then several weeks later they all got to see him in practice and those dumb plans officially went out the window.

The whole thing was a train wreck. Only thing they did right was to pursue Manning in the first place. 

Sanchez didn't suck in 2011, he wasn't as good as 2010 but he was still decent.  No one believed Tebow would or could push him.  That was the media's line but there clearly wasn't any competition.

Stanton wanted out, they thought they could save a roster spot w/ tebow being a backup and a utility guy.

Manning was never coming here even if we had all the money in the world.  He's not stupid, he picked the team w/ the most talent, we had very little.

[Jet Nut]

He was brought in to push him not compete with him. Not the same thing. Push him means Sanchez can't just suck again because the team would have another starting option. It doesn't mean each is competing for the job. No one thinks that. The damage was done: they'd just guaranteed him $20M a week earlier. 

If he was brought in just to be New Brad Smith, and not to be a real QB, they would have kept Stanton after picking up Tebow. Of course, then several weeks later they all got to see him in practice and those dumb plans officially went out the window.

The whole thing was a train wreck. Only thing they did right was to pursue Manning in the first place. 

it's hard to discuss factually when you start with the crazy idea that Sanchez was a top half QB who could be counted on tip carry a team in his back

[nyjunc]

it's hard to discuss factually when you start with the crazy idea that Sanchez was a top half QB who could be counted on tip carry a team in his back

it is really hard to discuss factually when folks simply cannot read.  Nowhere did I ever say he was counted on to carry a team on his back but when you have nothing to actually counter my arguments just make things up to deflect. 

[jeaniec]

And you're such a homer you don't see it for what it is.  

The point is adding the Bills is biased.  And you don't have a clue who on the list he knows or worked with in the past. 

I know your point.  I don't agree.  And,  you don't have a clue,  who on the list he knows either.  You should know that he also played for Greenbay, also on the list.  Notably, you failed to include Greenbay on your list to prove your point of being "biased."  Haven't a clue why (right).

[nyjunc]

And you're such a homer you don't see it for what it is.  

The point is adding the Bills is biased.  And you don't have a clue who on the list he knows or worked with in the past. 

b/c you don't agree w/ the article he must be biased b/c he played 3 games for the Bills 20 years ago?

[jeaniec]

Give me the list of things on this thread I hate about the Bills?  We've told you what Rex does and he's doing it.  I said I don't see why Roman is a top OC, didnt say I hate him.  You're so pro Bills you often miss what people are saying and take it as a personal affront. 

You just have nothing positive to say about anything to do with the Bills' players or their coaches.  Maybe hatred isn't the word but geez , in your heart of hearts,  can you find just something positive to say about the team?  I don't take anything someone says on social media (about me) as a personal affront.   

[jeaniec]

"but when you have nothing to actually counter my arguments just make things up to deflect. "

You're absolutely right on here Nyjunc.  He does this to me quite often. 

[jetsfan719]

no he didn't. He detests Geno and holds him in the same place as he does Idzik. You need to review your reading material 

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2546895-rex-ryan-reportedly-wanted-to-trade-for-geno-smith-upon-joining-bills

It is bleacher report but still.

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[Jet Nut]

it is really hard to discuss factually when folks simply cannot read.  Nowhere did I ever say he was counted on to carry a team on his back but when you have nothing to actually counter my arguments just make things up to deflect. 

Then you better stop telling us that he led the team in the playoffs and was a top half QB.  Because thats what top half QBs are

[Jet Nut]

I know your point.  I don't agree.  And,  you don't have a clue,  who on the list he knows either.  You should know that he also played for Greenbay, also on the list.  Notably, you failed to include Greenbay on your list to prove your point of being "biased."  Haven't a clue why (right).

I didn't make comments about who he didn't know, you did.  What we do know is he;s the only one calling the Bills OC a top 10 OC and he was drafted by and played for the Bills.

Yes, he played for GB and put their guy in the top 10, someone who at the time of the list had never called a play in the NFL.  Which i mentioned earlier in another post.  Somehow he's a top 10 OC.  And you don't think he's biased or at least the list is idiotic.  

Keep up girl

[nyjunc]

Then you better stop telling us that he led the team in the playoffs and was a top half QB.  Because thats what top half QBs are

I always say he helped lead us to the title games, never that he carried us.  he was vital to those runs but obviously we were a D first team.

he was a top 10ish QB in 2010.

[T0mShane]

Sammy Watkins sideswiping Tyrod today, complaining about his lack of targets. Dumbass has been hurt for weeks and he's complaining about targets.

[T0mShane]

"I need the ball at least 10 times -- I need 10 targets -- and l'll be fine with however many yards I get," Watkins told the newspaper. "And that's what I addressed in talking with my agent. We reached out to a couple people and tried to pull some string like, 'Hey, I need my targets. You came up to draft me and I'm not getting targets -- that's a problem.'

"'You're making me look bad and you're making yourself look bad. Why not make both of us look good?'"

[Larz]

gotta love the open mouth policy, lol

[T0mShane]

Santonio Watkins

[jeaniec]

I didn't make comments about who he didn't know, you did.  What we do know is he;s the only one calling the Bills OC a top 10 OC and he was drafted by and played for the Bills.

Yes, he played for GB and put their guy in the top 10, someone who at the time of the list had never called a play in the NFL.  Which i mentioned earlier in another post.  Somehow he's a top 10 OC.  And you don't think he's biased or at least the list is idiotic.  

Keep up girl

Here is what you said:

The point is adding the Bills is biased.  And you don't have a clue who on the list he knows or worked with in the past. “

And,  I came back with " you don't have a clue of who he knows or doesn't know either."  

The reason why Clement is listed with GB is because he was  employed there as OC at the time the article was written.  This article is not about any team. It's about the  men's  accomplishments/progress  throughout  their OC careers. This is only one reason why I don't  agree with your opinion that Bucky is biased towards the Bills in this article.    

[section314]

Santonio Watkins

Can Tyrod Taylor tell time?

[T0mShane]

This is how you teach our players a lesson about popping off in the media:

 

Rex Ryan is in Watkins' corner: "If I’m choosing and everything’s equal I’m throwing it to Sammy.”

[jeaniec]

"I need the ball at least 10 times -- I need 10 targets -- and l'll be fine with however many yards I get," Watkins told the newspaper. "And that's what I addressed in talking with my agent. We reached out to a couple people and tried to pull some string like, 'Hey, I need my targets. You came up to draft me and I'm not getting targets -- that's a problem.'

"'You're making me look bad and you're making yourself look bad. Why not make both of us look good?'"

Can you send  me a link.  I didn't see this one and would like to read it.  

[jeaniec]

"I need the ball at least 10 times -- I need 10 targets -- and l'll be fine with however many yards I get," Watkins told the newspaper. "And that's what I addressed in talking with my agent. We reached out to a couple people and tried to pull some string like, 'Hey, I need my targets. You came up to draft me and I'm not getting targets -- that's a problem.'

"'You're making me look bad and you're making yourself look bad. Why not make both of us look good?'"

Can you send me a link?  I didn"t see this one and would like to read.

[Savage69]

Can you send me a link?  I didn"t see this one and would like to read.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13896976/sammy-watkins-tells-buffalo-bills-making-look-bad-lack-targets

[jeaniec]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13896976/sammy-watkins-tells-buffalo-bills-making-look-bad-lack-targets

Thank you.  Sammy is right.   I remember Sammy getting frustrated last season with Orton during one game.  And,  he reallly hasn't been used alot the first 2 games this year.  This kid is looking to get his 1,000 yds this season and don't blame him for that either.  Do you think Rex will listen?  My guess is that he will.  Looking for your thoughts too.

[T0mShane]

Thank you.  Sammy is right.   I remember Sammy getting frustrated last season with Orton during one game.  And,  he reallly hasn't been used alot the first 2 games this year.  This kid is looking to get his 1,000 yds this season and don't blame him for that either.  Do you think Rex will listen?  My guess is that he will.  Looking for your thoughts too.

I'm sure the young quarterback appreciates it. Rex let the receivers scream down his young QB in New York and it broke Sanchez. What Rex doesn't even acknowledge is that his receivers don't put up numbers because he wants to run it 75% of the time, but he'll still placate his thug receivers by pointing the finger at the QB and OC.

[Charlie Brown]

I'm sure the young quarterback appreciates it. Rex let the receivers scream down his young QB in New York and it broke Sanchez. What Rex doesn't even acknowledge is that his receivers don't put up numbers because he wants to run it 75% of the time, but he'll still placate his thug receivers by pointing the finger at the QB and OC.

I luv the I don't care if the other guys are open just throw it to me mantra, it is Rex coaching squared.  Rex makes guys think it is ok to put their own agendas before the team and it shows.

[Charlie Brown]

Thank you.  Sammy is right.   I remember Sammy getting frustrated last season with Orton during one game.  And,  he reallly hasn't been used alot the first 2 games this year.  This kid is looking to get his 1,000 yds this season and don't blame him for that either.  Do you think Rex will listen?  My guess is that he will.  Looking for your thoughts too.

No he is not RIGHT when he says:

"I don't care what's going on over there. I don't care if he's open. When I get one-on-one, just target me"

And you know better than that......

Bills fans to their credit are all over this clown!

Come on now......

[jeaniec]

I'm sure the young quarterback appreciates it. Rex let the receivers scream down his young QB in New York and it broke Sanchez. What Rex doesn't even acknowledge is that his receivers don't put up numbers because he wants to run it 75% of the time, but he'll still placate his thug receivers by pointing the finger at the QB and OC.

The only problem is that the defense is all over (2 sometimes 3 men) Sammy.  This did go on last year.  I thought they were laying low this year  because he was not 100% yet.  Guess that's not the real issue.   Sunday's game just became more interesting.  Doubt we will win against the Bengals.

[jeaniec]

No he is not RIGHT when he says:

"I don't care what's going on over there. I don't care if he's open. When I get one-on-one, just target me"

And you know better than that......

Bills fans to their credit are all over this clown!

Come on now......

You're right,  I'm wrong.  He has to be a team player.  If throwing or passing to someone else makes the play,  that's the way we have to go.  I think I saw this coming though.  I remember his frustration with Orton last year.  He was completely wide open at times and Orton overlooked him.  

[Sperm Edwards]

Sanchez didn't suck in 2011, he wasn't as good as 2010 but he was still decent.  No one believed Tebow would or could push him.  That was the media's line but there clearly wasn't any competition.

Stanton wanted out, they thought they could save a roster spot w/ tebow being a backup and a utility guy.

Manning was never coming here even if we had all the money in the world.  He's not stupid, he picked the team w/ the most talent, we had very little.

I'm not going to argue with you. Sanchez is and was a bad QB, save a few games (which one could say about any number of bad QBs over the years). He sucked in 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012. I know you feel differently. You think his failure was everyone/anyone else's fault but his own. Like 99% of those who watch the NFL, I disagree with you on this. Call it just that: a disagreement. If you want to last-word me on it you may do so. I don't care about arguing with you on the perceived cherry-picked merits of the Eagles' backup QB.

Stanton wanted out because the team handed Tebow the #2 job that was promised to Stanton barely a week earlier (without so much as a let-the-better-man-win; it was awarded to Tebow in freaking March). Stanton (or more correctly, his agent) was very complimentary of the team for granting him the opportunity to play elsewhere instead of being stuck behind an anointed starter and his anointed backup. It had nothing to do with saving a roster spot; that's not just baseless: it's preposterous. The roster spot was still taken up by someone else (i.e. McElroy instead of Stanton), and I think we just let Stanton keep his $500,000 signing bonus for being with the team for 1 week in March. They released Stanton to recoup a late pick and also so his long face wouldn't be (frankly, justifiably) complaining to anyone who would listen to him all season long. Just like they did with Cotchery 7 months prior.

Manning was also not coming here because of his brother playing for the Giants and the media circus that would ensue here (even more than it does already). Though I don't think there was any one reason (his brother, the Manning+Manning comparisons every week in the world's media capital, maybe he didn't want to be tied to Ryan, whatever else). There were several reasons. One of the other teams in the final running was Miami. The only receivers they had were Brian Hartline and Devone Bess, both coming off 600-yard seasons. Holmes+Keller+Kerley (+someone else he could have insisted on adding with his clout, like Garcon) was hardly considered worse talent in early March of 2012.

[jeaniec]

I luv the I don't care if the other guys are open just throw it to me mantra, it is Rex coaching squared.  Rex makes guys think it is ok to put their own agendas before the team and it shows.

Sammy has to really be frustrated.  He is interviewed quite a bit here in Buffalo and usually speaks about playing as a team.  Think he must have too much time on his hands with being on the bench these last couple of  weeks.

[Sperm Edwards]

it's hard to discuss factually when you start with the crazy idea that Sanchez was a top half QB who could be counted on tip carry a team in his back

I think the idea is that if it gets repeated enough then eventually people will accept it. Anyone watching could see that he was carried, on teams that ranked top 5 (if not #1 outright) in so many other areas. Few top 5 draft picks get to walk into a situation like that. I suppose the situation/outlook in Seattle was a rookie QB's delight in 2012. Just like also...ah, forget it. He sucks and hasn't been a Jet for years. Screw him.

[jeaniec]

No he is not RIGHT when he says:

"I don't care what's going on over there. I don't care if he's open. When I get one-on-one, just target me"

And you know better than that......

Bills fans to their credit are all over this clown!

Come on now......

Just an FYI:  The following is a tweet that Sammy Watkins sent one of our news writers here in Buffalo:

 

 

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Sammy WatkinsVerified account ‏@sammywatkins  2h2 hours ago

@TyDunne Wish you could have added the part we have so many playmakers and me not caring about numbers I care about winning.. Grow up.. Sir.

[T0mShane]

Just an FYI:  The following is a tweet that Sammy Watkins sent one of our news writers here in Buffalo:

 

 

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Sammy WatkinsVerified account ‏@sammywatkins  2h2 hours ago

@TyDunne Wish you could have added the part we have so many playmakers and me not caring about numbers I care about winning.. Grow up.. Sir.

"I want ten targets"

"I need ten targets"

"I want targets like Julio and Odell"

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"I don't care about numbers(?)"

[jeaniec]

"I want ten targets"

"I need ten targets"

"I want targets like Julio and Odell"

...

...

...

"I don't care about numbers(?)"

Here's an article,  based on an interview  Sammy  and Tyler Dunne of the Buffalo News.    Tyler Dunne is a much more reputable writer than Mike Rodak/ESPN - trust me on this one.  Rodak is a constant downer and the Bills' fans despise him.  You should see the comments in the Bills Mafia about Rodak's article.  They are really P.O'd.   I stopped reading Rodak's articles unless someone directs me to them.

Sammy Watkins speaks up: 'When I have one-on-one coverage, go to me'

The three-and-out’s pain Sammy Watkins more than anyone. They sting on the field, sting from the sideline. Once the cameras leave and his corner of the locker room clears out, the Buffalo Bills’ No. 1 wide receiver explains.

Tyrod Taylor and EJ Manuel, one day, could be great. “Elite" even, he says.

But when healthy, Watkins runs his routes. Gets open. And he doesn’t see the ball.

“That’s what I get mad at,” Watkins said, “when I don’t get looked at. I can look at film and his eyes go straight that way and I’m not getting looked at, at all. That’s when I get frustrated. When I have one-on-one coverage, go to me. I don’t care what’s going on over there. I don’t care if he’s open. When I get one on one, just target me.”

He tracks other top wide receivers, too. Julio Jones. Odell Beckham Jr. A.J. Green. All of them.

“Their quarterbacks go to them in every one-on-one situation,” Watkins said. “Force the ball. The only things that’ll happen are I catch it or knock it out.”

Remember May 8, 2014? That day, Buffalo Bills general manager Doug Whaley unloaded the No. 9 overall pick and 2015 first- and fourth-round picks to take a transcendent talent fourth overall. Watkins certainly remembers and he's itching for the ball, for a major role in this offense when he returns from a calf injury. After making it abundantly clear that he will play Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals — "if it pops, it pops" — Watkins then said he's looking for 10 targets per game.

Two seasons in, nagging injuries and raw quarterback play have threatened to stunt potential greatness.

The team knows how he feels. In a Week 1 win over Indianapolis, he was targeted three times with no receptions. The team won, so he didn't say anything then. After the loss to New England, he spoke to one of his agents.

“Everybody looks at you getting zero catches, zero yards but when you look on film 90 percent of the time you’re open,” said Watkins, who is represented by Eugene Parker. “I understand that these guys are young and they need some time to trust me. Once we get that trust, it’ll be different. But for me, I need the ball at least 10 times — I need 10 targets — and I’ll be fine with however many yards I get. And that’s what I addressed in talking with my agent. We reached out to a couple people and tried to pull some strings like, ‘Hey, I need my targets. You came up to draft me and I’m not getting targets — that’s a problem. You’re making me look bad and you’re making yourself look bad. Why not make both of us look good?’”

Wide receiver is the one position in sports a player has virtually no control — he only impacts a game if the ball is thrown his way. Thus, it often breeds egos, greed, Terrell Owens doing sit-ups in a parking lot. The difference here is that Watkins vows his call for the ball is team-centric.

He makes one very clear distinction. Ten targets a game, to him, directly boosts the offense as a whole. Defenses would stop loading the box with seven or eight defenders and maybe Percy Harvin gets free deep in single coverage. With all due respect to Indianapolis Colts cornerback Vontae Davis, Watkins says he was open throughout the game.

“You really just put it on film," Watkins said, "and go to the coach like, ‘Hey, I’m getting open. What’s the deal here?’ Don’t be an (expletive) about it, just go talk to him about the situation.

"I see the bigger picture. I enjoy spreading the ball around. It makes my job easier. But at the same time, for a guy you go up in the draft to take as your No. 1 receiver, you would love those 15 targets that Julio gets, those 20 targets that Odell gets. Of course I’d have 100 yards every game and a TD, if I’m getting 20 targets."

He has a backer in his head coach. No, Watkins didn't show Rex Ryan film himself getting open the 90 percent of the time, but the coach admits he’s “the leader of that band.” When the Bills installed their offense back in training camp, Ryan actually introduced Watkins half-jokingly to all the quarterbacks.

“I’m like, ‘Hey, by the way, have you met Sammy Watkins? This is Sammy Watkins,’” Ryan said. “So my point is, obviously if I’m choosing and everything’s equal I’m throwing it to Sammy.”

Receivers coach Sanjay Lal noted that, yes, the Colts did roll a safety to Watkins' side on plays but that there were times Watkins was one on one over Davis and beat him.

And Watkins, Lal adds, can “absolutely” win any ball one on one.

“That’s what we’re trying to grow to,” Lal said. “He’s a combination of explosiveness, becoming a very good route runner with the potential to be a great route runner — he will get there — speed, size and then some of the strongest hands I’ve ever seen. He rips that ball out of there. It doesn’t matter if it’s a contested catch. He’s going to attack the ball and that ball is his."

So quite possibly Ralph Wilson Stadium is the site of a grand unveiling on Sunday.

Both coaches cautioned that the Bills would be smart with Watkins' calf. The wideout was a limited participant again at Thursday’s practice. Asked if Watkins has a say in the fight to play, if he can will himself onto the field, Lal did indicate he could if there’s no potential of further injury.

Make no doubt about: Watkins would love to square off with Cincinnati's Green. Relish it.

The beauty in a conversation with Watkins is that he never hides from comparisons. Where other NFL receivers would deflect such a narrative, Watkins doesn't flinch. He makes eye contact and answers directly. Yes, Watkins realizes the name "Odell Beckham Jr." will follow him his entire career. Because Beckham, of course, is the receiver the Bills could’ve drafted by staying put at ninth overall.

Beckham — with a punch or two along the way — has asserted himself as a phenom, a one hand-catching human highlight. He also has a two-time Super Bowl MVP in Eli Manning at quarterback throwing him the ball 11 times per game.

Watkins? He's had Kyle Orton, Manuel and Taylor and is averaging seven targets per game. In time, Orton took a few more chances in close coverage and it paid off.

“I understand that these guys are young," Watkins said. "What you really have to look at is in five or six years, no, they’re not going to be Eli but they’re going to be elite. When you look at Eli, he might be out of the league in four or five years. So when I’m healthy and I’m going into my years, I’ll have a top quarterback who can throw the ball. So that’s how I look at these guys.

“If you take away Eli, I don’t see another quarterback stepping in and making those reads and making those checks at the line. Once these guys grow the next three or four years, if they’re still here, you’ll definitely see those high numbers.”

For now, Taylor (like Manuel before him) plays it safe. He's completing 70 percent of his passes, has a 103.6 passer rating and, in truth, has exceeded most expectations. It's no shock why he's been more conservative. Throws into tight coverage could lead to interceptions... glares from coaches... a short leash... and, ultimately, the bench.

Watkins gets this. He also has two words for his quarterbacks: Trust me.

“Don’t be scared to make plays," Watkins said. "I think they’re young and they don’t want to make that mistake."

Into Week 3, Watkins sensed a change. Taylor uncorked a 39-yarder to him up the sideline, and then he hurt his calf. The receiver believed they were on track, adding that someone "upstairs" likely spoke to Taylor or offensive coordinator Greg Roman about his desire for the 10 targets.

Whoever’s playing quarterback, Watkins expects the tide to keep turning when he returns to action.

“I was told, ‘Look, you’re going to get the targets that you need. You’re going to start getting 100 yards every game,’” Watkins said. “That’s really the focus: winning. If I get 80, 90, 100 yards, we’re winning the majority of our games. That helps, not only me, but the whole offense click. Then I start getting more double-coverage and you run the ball to the right and Percy’s going over the top. That’s the biggest thing.”

Watkins speaks in a blunt, yet measured tone. Frustration isn't boiling over yet.

OK, so he's not on Sportscenter. He's not a household name like Beckham. Lal emphasizes that everyone in the NFL knows Watkins is getting separation, is special. They watch the film. Lal has seen opposing coaches approach him after games to praise his play. Lal makes a good point, too. How often has Watkins even worked with the quarterbacks? He had offseason hip surgery, missed much of training camp with a glute injury, played two full games and then had the calf injury.

Now, they're trying to manufacture trust on the fly. With a season at stake. Through the calf. Since burning defenses for 1,464 yards on 101 receptions with 14 touchdowns at Clemson his final year in college, Watkins has had six injuries.

Last week, with zero hesitation, Bills cornerback Stephon Gilmore claimed that Beckham was no Watkins. The one-liner raised eyebrows outside of Western New York, but Gilmore has seen Watkins at his best. In camp, when he was healthy, Watkins hauled in acrobatic catches over the lockdown corner.

“That’s the bad part,” Watkins said. “Everybody knows. It’s just, we’ve got to get it clicking.”

He's finally on the field.

Maybe on Sunday, Sammy Watkins finally gets his chance to be Sammy Watkins.

 

http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/10/15/sammy-watkins-speaks-up-when-i-get-one-on-one-just-target-me/

 

 

 

 

 

[Jet Nut]

I think the idea is that if it gets repeated enough then eventually people will accept it. Anyone watching could see that he was carried, on teams that ranked top 5 (if not #1 outright) in so many other areas. Few top 5 draft picks get to walk into a situation like that. I suppose the situation/outlook in Seattle was a rookie QB's delight in 2012. Just like also...ah, forget it. He sucks and hasn't been a Jet for years. Screw him.

find it hard to believe that anyone watched Sanchez play and thought he was an integral part of their success and in getting to the playoffs.  But that's not bad enough, repeating over and over, as if that works, that he was ever a top 10 QB.  I sat in the stands hoping he could get near a top HALF QB, he thinks Sanchez was a top 10 QB.  Crazy, what games did he watch?  Never, did I ever think I watching a top QB.  I just prayed he wouldn't lose a game we should have won.  But always wish we had a healthy Chad, Vinny or KO instead.