Larz Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 how would petty look after 18 starts ? any better ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 7 hours ago, Augustiniak said: i'll sleep much better knowing this. we only gave fitz $10 million for 1 year. whew. It's as much better as it gets, you should, not even in the same ballpark bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 5 hours ago, Ex-Rex said: I don't know what you see in Glennon. His numbers for his only season were not eye popping. In fact his numbers caused the Bucs to turn to McCown and then to draft Jameis Winston. If he was any good why didn't the Bucs stick with him? I see a rookie who put up pretty good. Umbers on a horrendous team. As is often the case a new HC came in and brought "his guy" with him. Why? Familiarity, all it takes. Then he got his new guy, a new guy to build around. The question is an old one and proves nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkus Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 39 minutes ago, varjet said: kinda interesting how TB refused to trade Glennon-they valued him that much as Winston's backup, which would make them look even smarter if they make the playoffs. They will not be able to afford him after this year-Glennon will move on, sign an enormous contract somewhere and TB will get a nice compensatory quick. Its nice how that works. The Jets will be lucky if Petty works out the same way. Someone will offer Glennon the Osweiler deal. 2 years, 18 per. I would not be offended if the Jets did that and cut the dead wood on defense-rebuild that through the draft. I am not troubled by the OL as much as others. The Jets can be the top bidder for Schrader (Falcons) and Glennon and resign Winters and someone else. The line would work. Schraeder was signed to 5yr extension recently by the falcons, he is off the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 15 hours ago, Barkus said: Schraeder was signed to 5yr extension recently by the falcons, he is off the market. Smart teams draft good tackles and don't let them hit FA. Don't know who else is on the list, but the Jets definitely need to sign someone unless they lock into Cam Robinson. Alabama players can be hit or miss since the overall talent level on the team is so good. Ignoring Milliner, when Chance Wormack came out people thought he would be a HoF guard. He is good, but I don't know whether that good. We may find out that the Wisconsin T is a better fit. The Jets will definitely have their pick of one of them, but if Peppers or Fournette go onto to Chancellor or Peterson careers, the Jets fail again by drafting need and not BPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 23 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: The best thing you can say about him is he's young. And he isn't THAT young. He's 26 and had 4 years to learn in a good system. Clearly he either learned very little or he sucks. I think it's the latter. When John Elway casts off a QB, you know that QB isn't very good. The Broncos went from 2 QB's on the roster (Peyton and Osweiler) to none, and filled those gaps with Mark Sanchez, Paxton Lynch, and Trevor Siemian. If they thought Brock had any ceiling whatsoever, they would have kept him and not taken a fairly questionable QB prospect in the first round. Also, the Texans have been terrible at evaluating QB's for basically their franchise's entire history. So they don't exactly get the benefit of the doubt on this call. Meh - they offered him a contract, just not as much as the Texans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 On 11/28/2016 at 10:41 AM, AFJF said: $12 million total, $7 this year and $5 million that counts against next season's cap, but in the grand scheme of things, it's a hell of a lot better than Osweiller at that length/price. Depends on your point of view. Really you should be looking only at how much was paid to him, not how much less the impact seems to be based on hitting this year or next year's cap. The cap is not MLB's hard cap. Money unspent this year is money available next year. Absent re-signing Fitzpatrick there would be an additional $12M in 2017. Remember, we were up against the cap all offseason thanks to Maccagnan's spending spree in 2015. He needed to clear even that $7M from others in 2016, to push it to 2017. So from a point of view, all $12M of Fitzpatrick's 2016 pay hits 2017. It's just not on the Fitzpatrick line-item. Instead it's in the form of higher 2017 hits for Mo, Skrine, Carpenter, and/or anyone else whose contract was restructured to create more space this year. That all we have to show for these efforts is a 3-8 record just highlights these mistakes that much more colorfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 13 minutes ago, JiF said: Meh - they offered him a contract, just not as much as the Texans. Because they more properly valued him than the Texans did. If you think you have a QB, you overpay him to keep him around. They didn't do that. They lowballed him because they were well aware he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Because they more properly valued him than the Texans did. If you think you have a QB, you overpay him to keep him around. They didn't do that. They lowballed him because they were well aware he sucks. Huh? The Broncos offered him like 16 mil a year and he opted for the 18 mil that the Texans offered. The Broncos wanted him. You're acting like Elway washed his hands immediately after the season and that couldnt be further from the truth. They wanted Brock. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 6 minutes ago, JiF said: Huh? The Broncos offered him like 16 mil a year and he opted for the 18 mil that the Texans offered. The Broncos wanted him. You're acting like Elway washed his hands immediately after the season and that couldnt be further from the truth. They wanted Brock. Fact. The Texans made their offer first. According to Osweiler: “Denver had the opportunity to extend an offer,” Osweiler said. “In fact, they had a great, very long period of time to extend an offer.” And Osweiler's agent: After hearing about the Texans' interest, McClain reports Sexton went back to Denver for more money (they initially offered three years, $45 million): On Wednesday morning, Sexton spoke with the Broncos for the first time since they made their $39 million offer. They increased their offer to an average of $16.5 million a year, including $30 million guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 So 3 years, $45M was the original offer from Denver. Not exactly a killer deal for a young QB. That was clearly below market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 lol, actually, the original offer was only: According to former agent Joel Corry, writing for CBSSports.com, "The two-year, $24.5 million contract extension (worth a maximum of $38 million through incentives) http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/report-broncos-offer-brock-osweiler-3-years-more-than-45-million/ The Broncos lowballed the sh*t out of Osweiler, and only when the Texans upped the offer did they get involved in any kind of bidding war. And even then they didn't top what the Texans were paying. Yeah, they knew he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 17 hours ago, Larz said: how would petty look after 18 starts ? any better ? well he has to actually play to determine that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 So what's your point? They tried to resign him whether it was market value or not is besides the point. Its not like they finished the season and ran from him. Meanignless debate but your first point made it seem like he couldn't wait to rid himself of Brock and that just isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 22 hours ago, Hael said: The Osweiller situation tells you just how qb starved this league is. With a ton of young qbs not really panning out as planned, what we have is a league led by a bunch of geriatrics (Brady/Brees/Big Ben/Rivers/Rogers/Manning) and just a few glimmers of hope (Carr/Wilson and maybe Luck) for the younger generation. Meanwhile even the lesser hopes for the younger generation might easily flame out. Would it surprise anyone if Jameis Winston ended up having a Michael Vick like career? Or if Stafford reverted to the mean next season. So within the next 2-3 years we're going to see a lot of holes opening up around the league as the older guys retire once and for all, and there is going to be an even bigger power vacuum than there is now. and osweiler is wearing his welcome out in houston. some report said obrien wasn't liking his play. but the big question is what will the jets do for next season? i suppose it's possible that either petty or hack might catch on and win the starting job before the end of this season. but you'll have a whole bunch of angry vets if they falter early next season. i know some trades have been bandied about. imo cutler is the guy they should be looking at. he's an accurate passer and has a good arm. he's also tough. he would probaby welcome a change from chicago. he won't be cheap. others could be glennon, or make a run at stafford or ryan. if they're going the free agent qb route, go big. they should not think they'll catch lighting in the bottle with bench warmer. they need someone who can play for at least another 3-4 seasons. that doesn't mean they shouldn't draft a qb. they should but they wouldn't have to draft one in the first or second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 On November 28, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Charlie Brown said: Ummmmm Noooooo.. Actually my opinion is based upon actual reports from folks who follow the team. See the following as reported by SNY on March 25, 2016: https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/jets-may-prefer-tbs-glennon-over-smith-if-they-cant-sign-fitzpatrick/169106128 "If the New York Jets do not re-sign quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick, they could look to trade for Tampa Bay Buccaneers backup Mike Glennon rather than searching internally with Geno Smith or Bryce Petty........ Glennon, who did not play in 2015 after Tampa Bay drafted Jameis Winston, has thrown for 4,025 yards, 29 touchdowns and 15 interceptions in 19 games from 2013 to 2014. A year ago, before Fitzpatrick was brought in, I loved the idea of the Jets pursuing Glennon in a trade. Do I know with a certainty that Glennon is the answer the Jets have been waiting for? No, but when I think back to Glennon's 2013 campaign with the Bucs, it's hard to not like him for throwing 19 touchdowns to just nine interceptions with a terribly coached Greg Schiano team. I would guess Glennon and Smith might be pitted against each other in a competition, but if so, Glennon would have a good shot at winning the job outright. What's even better is that he would count less than $2 million against the salary cap." Hmmmmmmmm don't like that article how about this one: http://elitesportsny.com/2016/04/11/new-york-jets-need-trade-mike-glennon-keep-muhammad-wilkerson/ "Mike Glennon just isn’t a backup quarterback based on getting beat out by somebody who out shined him. He’s a guy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The only reason he hasn’t seen the field since 2014 is because his team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, finished dead last in the league, granting them the overall No. 1 selection in the 2015 NFL Draft (Jameis Winston). Glennon is no bum. This is a kid whose short NFL career has garnered much attention. His 4,025 yards and 29-15 TD/INT ratio through his first 18 games started is evidence enough. This is also why he’s still in Tampa. Because he is so talented, and the league knows this, the Bucs asking price has been a first or a second. Nobody will provide that compensation for a guy who’s pretty much stuck in a backup role. The league would rather force Tampa’s hand into either trading him for less than par-value, or waiting until his deal expires. Now, Glennon is in the last year of his rookie deal. He’s scheduled to make $1,830,375 in 2016. It’s so obvious, yet so perfect. Trading a third or fourth round pick to Tampa for Glennon would not only solve the Jets salary cap problems for the short term, but potentially provide the organization with a franchise quarterback for many years to come. Think about how hard it is to find a franchise guy behind center. If you’re a fan of the Jets, you understand. Not since No. 12 graced Shea Stadium have they felt the experience. Getting creative is oftentimes the ticket to QB paradise in a league that makes it so difficult to get there." So no, I'm not in love with Glennon but rather I can no longer take horrific or mediocre QB play and IMO Glennon is better than anything we have out there now and that should be something you and everyone out here should be cheering for as well.. We should have traded for Glennon when we had a chance now we have to bid for him on the open market. Great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 3 hours ago, drdetroit said: We should have traded for Glennon when we had a chance now we have to bid for him on the open market. Great Ummmmm this is what quite a few of us were saying during last off season..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Watt and Brock over Revis and CRyan all day long Brock can be cut after 2018 with less impact then Revis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 4 hours ago, drdetroit said: We should have traded for Glennon when we had a chance now we have to bid for him on the open market. Great What other teams would want him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: What other teams would want him? Somehow, he's more valuable 2 years after his last starting performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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