#27TheDominator Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 I should say, it isn't the philosophy which was so interesting. The philosophy is pretty obvious. It is the statement of the philosophy and the listing of the positions - none of which the Jets have filled by the way. I think LT is the only one where we even have a player under contract for 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, Beerfish said: I've said it many times before, as a gm and or coach or organization you build up good will capital by having some success, you lose it when you have failures. Guys like Bellichcik seem to never make an error because he has bulit up so much good will with fans and media. the jets have had small one or two year spurts of semi success followed by years of mediocre to crap play. thus they get taken to task. The worst thing of all? The fans of this team have been right about things more often than the people who riu the team on any fronts over the years and when the dumbass fans are smarter than the guys running teams you have a problem. So why hasn’t Macc been really taken to task? why has Bowles done and not Macc. The reason has to be that he has done enough good things to avoid the axe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I should say, it isn't the philosophy which was so interesting. The philosophy is pretty obvious. It is the statement of the philosophy and the listing of the positions - none of which the Jets have filled by the way. I think LT is the only one where we even have a player under contract for 2018. I like their receiving core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: I like their receiving core. 1. You would. 2. "Receiving core" is not QB, LT or playmaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, UnitedWhofans said: ALthough to be fair, fans and media supported both signings. So to go back on those would be hypocrisy. Which is why it isnt done. Same thing with drafting Watson. Only one beat writer has brought it up to my knowledge. Because the others didnt want to draft Watson or respected the scouting that other teams had Only one beat writer? There were around 20 people here alone. Cimini seemed to like the Adams choice. It was a very good pick by the Jets, but they will be second-guessed for eternity if Watson becomes a championship-caliber quarterback for the Houston Texans, who traded up to take him six picks later. CBS? Silverman: It’s Time For The Jets To Be Bold And Draft Watson The Jets Press, to be fair just a fan blog: Jets must select Deshaun Watson in 2017 NFL Draft NJ.com? Jets shouldn't be worried about Deshaun Watson's interceptions, says Jon Gruden The Sporting News? http://NFL Draft: Jets set up to eye Deshaun Watson at No. 6 To be fair, that is only on the first page of google. To be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said: Only one beat writer? There were around 20 people here alone. Cimini seemed to like the Adams choice. It was a very good pick by the Jets, but they will be second-guessed for eternity if Watson becomes a championship-caliber quarterback for the Houston Texans, who traded up to take him six picks later. CBS? Silverman: It’s Time For The Jets To Be Bold And Draft Watson The Jets Press, to be fair just a fan blog: Jets must select Deshaun Watson in 2017 NFL Draft NJ.com? Jets shouldn't be worried about Deshaun Watson's interceptions, says Jon Gruden The Sporting News? http://NFL Draft: Jets set up to eye Deshaun Watson at No. 6 To be fair, that is only on the first page of google. To be fair. he probably wouldn't be playing this year for the jets anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Clearly 3-4 DE and Strong Safety are where Super Bowls are won in today’s NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Only one beat writer? There were around 20 people here alone. Cimini seemed to like the Adams choice. It was a very good pick by the Jets, but they will be second-guessed for eternity if Watson becomes a championship-caliber quarterback for the Houston Texans, who traded up to take him six picks later. CBS? Silverman: It’s Time For The Jets To Be Bold And Draft Watson The Jets Press, to be fair just a fan blog: Jets must select Deshaun Watson in 2017 NFL Draft NJ.com? Jets shouldn't be worried about Deshaun Watson's interceptions, says Jon Gruden The Sporting News? http://NFL Draft: Jets set up to eye Deshaun Watson at No. 6 To be fair, that is only on the first page of google. To be fair. First off, most of those are pre draft predictions so I have no idea when those mocks were made As for Cimini, you are absolutely right. The problem is that Watson has not done that yet. His team is 3-4, his coach won’t trust him with the ball to close a game. you guys are correct but you’re jumping the gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: he probably wouldn't be playing this year for the jets anyway. So? The fact that our coach is an idiot gives our GM free reign to be an idiot too? Go Jets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: First off, most of those are pre draft predictions so I have no idea when those mocks were made As for Cimini, you are absolutely right. The problem is that Watson has not done that yet. His team is 3-4, his coach won’t trust him with the ball to close a game. you guys are correct but you’re jumping the gun When your hero drafts a mediocre CB over Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen I will say I told you so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: So? The fact that our coach is an idiot gives our GM free reign to be an idiot too? Go Jets! It’s all bowles’s fault man don’t forget that memo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: So? The fact that our coach is an idiot gives our GM free reign to be an idiot too? Go Jets! no. it means we shouldn't get our hopes up that the qb mccags drafts in 2018 will see the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: no. it means we shouldn't get our hopes up that the qb mccags drafts in 2018 will see the field. IF Mac did draft a qb in round 1 judging by his track record (Petty, Hack) I wouldn't have my hopes up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, Philc1 said: IF Mac did draft a qb in round 1 judging by his track record (Petty, Hack) I wouldn't have my hopes up most teams actually play their qbs before writing them off, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Philc1 said: When your hero drafts a mediocre CB over Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen I will say I told you so If Macc: A: does not draft a QB or sign a QB in FA B: Extend Josh mcCown 3 years i will lead him to the firing squad myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Philc1 said: IF Mac did draft a qb in round 1 judging by his track record (Petty, Hack) I wouldn't have my hopes up TBF Jared Goff sat for 12 weeks last year and he was the top pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: most teams actually play their qbs before writing them off, though. And they end up like the Cleveland Browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: If Macc: A: does not draft a QB or sign a QB in FA B: Extend Josh mcCown 3 years i will lead him to the firing squad myself If we go offense somehow in round 1 we are drafting Saquon Barkley over 3-4 good qb prospects why? It’s the Macagnan way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, Philc1 said: If we go offense somehow in round 1 we are drafting Saquon Barkley over 3-4 good qb prospects why? It’s the Macagnan way He will be top 3 or 5 so the chances are unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, Philc1 said: If we go offense somehow in round 1 we are drafting Saquon Barkley over 3-4 good qb prospects why? It’s the Macagnan way mccagnan goes by his draft board. if they draft barkley they shouldn't keep forte or they'll split carries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: TBF Jared Goff sat for 12 weeks last year and he was the top pick Macagnan is an idiot. We’re not getting a top 2 pick so forget Darnold and Rosen the problem is that’s all the excuse Mac needs to draft another Safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: He will be top 3 or 5 so the chances are unlikely Well we are picking around #5 and Adrian Peterson fell even further than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, Philc1 said: Macagnan is an idiot. We’re not getting a top 2 pick so forget Darnold and Rosen the problem is that’s all the excuse Mac needs to draft another Safety actually they're drafting a LT in the first round, cb with their own 2nd round pick, and afterthought 2nd rate qb with the seahawks' 2nd round pick. that way bowles can justify never playing him. again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Philc1 said: Macagnan is an idiot. We’re not getting a top 2 pick so forget Darnold and Rosen the problem is that’s all the excuse Mac needs to draft another Safety If he drafts S, K, P. ILB, DT, TE I will be upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: actually they're drafting a LT in the first round, cb with their own 2nd round pick, and afterthought 2nd rate qb with the seahawks' 2nd round pick. that way bowles can justify never playing him. again. What do you think about Brian Hoyer? We’re not supposed to compete again until 2031 so who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: If he drafts S, K, P. ILB, DT, TE I will be upset No you will be making more excuses and calling everyone who disagrees with you a 5 year old that’s what all the Mac-defenders do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, Philc1 said: What do you think about Brian Hoyer? We’re not supposed to compete again until 2031 so who cares? if he's available i think he'd be a great starter while the jets stash hack and luke falk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, Philc1 said: No you will be making more excuses and calling everyone who disagrees with you a 5 year old that’s what all the Mac-defenders do Absolutely not. I won’t be a ******* hypocrite like a lot of people here. If he drafts anyone of those listed positions, I will be upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 This would seem to go against the Jets strategy of drafting interior d-line and safety continually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, jetscrazey said: This would seem to go against the Jets strategy of drafting interior d-line and safety continually It would which begs the question. Why have the Jets been to the playoffs more recently than the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 20 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Clearly 3-4 DE and Strong Safety are where Super Bowls are won in today’s NFL Correction: a fourth 3-4 DE. At the time we drafted Leo, the Jets already had Mo, Coples, and Sheldon. Before anyone snickers at Coples, Macc liked him enough at the time to exercise his 5th year option at $7m. So he certainly thought he had a starter in Coples as well. Four. A team needs four 3-4 DEs. Because our line isn't a line. It's a square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: First off, most of those are pre draft predictions so I have no idea when those mocks were made As for Cimini, you are absolutely right. The problem is that Watson has not done that yet. His team is 3-4, his coach won’t trust him with the ball to close a game. you guys are correct but you’re jumping the gun Hahahahahaha! First off, you said that nobody is second guessing passing on Watson because "that would be hypocrisy" since they were all so happy with the Adams pick. I showed they were saying we should have picked Watson before the ******* draft. Who gives a flying **** when "those mocks were made?" I'm sure it was well after Adams completed his scintillating mid-pack performance in all the workouts. PS: They weren't mocks, they were articles. You can read the date on each. As for Cimini, I am not right or wrong. Those are his words, not mine. What hasn't Watson done? Won a championship? How did I know that you would point that out? He has not lost a championship either. He doesn't even have to get better, just play like this and Jets fans will be banging their heads against the wall for another decade. As for not being trusted with the ball to close a game, I honestly do not understand what kind of mushrooms you ate. Glad you realize we are correct. Next time we will try to wait until the proper time to be correct. It is so annoying being right ahead of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Just now, Sperm Edwards said: Correction: a fourth 3-4 DE. At the time we drafted Leo, the Jets already had Mo, Coples, and Sheldon. Before anyone snickers at Coples, Macc liked him enough at the time to exercise his 5th year option at $7m. So he certainly thought he had a starter in Coples as well. Four. A team needs four 3-4 DEs. Because our line isn't a line. It's a square. I shall ask you then. Why did this website give him a B grade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 24 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: he probably wouldn't be playing this year for the jets anyway. Clearly, if Bowles won't play the creme de la creme in Christian Hackenberg or Bryce Petty, then that means he wouldn't play a ready, young QB drafted with the 6th overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: ALthough to be fair, fans and media supported both signings. So to go back on those would be hypocrisy. Which is why it isnt done. Same thing with drafting Watson. Only one beat writer has brought it up to my knowledge. Because the others didnt want to draft Watson or respected the scouting that other teams had There were a LOT of Jets fans on these boards not in lock step with resigning Revis & many more didn't want to resign Wilkerson to a huge contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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