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Since, It's become a habit here to kill Martin. I always jump to his defense.

I'm rehashing an old post here from a previous thread to dispel another one of these perceptions.

This one is The Martin can't break long runs theory.

Here is the post. You can ignore it or discuss it. That's up to you guys but here are the facts and that particular post.

I agree, Martin's one weakness is his inability to break the long run. Martin doesn't have breakaway speed. It's his one weakness.That's why they signed Blaylock.

But here's some interesting stats from last year. These are all backs that had nearly the same amount of carries. These guys all had over 300 carries.

RUNS OVER 20 YARDS

Curtis Martin- 7

Ladainian Tomlinson-6

Edgerrin James- 6

Clinton Portis- 5

Corey Dillon-8

There are a ton of backs who had less than 300 carries. I didn't include them in this mix and they had 7 runs over 20 or less. Ahman Green had 6, Duece McAlister had 5 etc etc etc

The two best in this category were Shaun Alexander who had 15 runs over 20 (Very impressive) and Tiki Barber who had 11. He's a boom or bust type back. He'll get stopped for a few losses and then break a nice gainer. I like Tiki. Anyway.

Fred Taylor who may be the most explosive back next to Tomlinson had 9 last year but as usual he ended up injured.

Just a sidenote and it's not fair to Lamont Jordan because he didn't have enough carries to even be compared on this list.

Jordan's longest run last year was 33 yards. In the last two years, His longest run from scrimmage has been 39 yards. He only had 3 plays over 20 last year but he didn't have nowhere near the carries that Martin had and he's way more of a big play threat than Martin is.

I'm just trying to show you that The "long runs" issue is not as big of a factor as one would think.

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How's Martin Stack up for TD's YJF??

Lets see TD's Last 3 years..

Martin 21

Alexander 46

Holmes 62 in 2 1/2 seasons

Rudi Johnson 21 but has only played 21 Games

Dillon 21 hasn't played full 16 games in 03 or 04

Jamal Lewis 27 only 1 16 game season in the last 3

Marshall Faulk 21 on around 200 carries a year!

Ahman Green 29 only 1 complete season in last 3

Clinton Portis 34 has never played a 16 game season

LaDainian Tomlinson 44

Tiki Barber 26

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How's Martin Stack up for TD's YJF??

Lets see TD's Last 3 years..

Martin 21

Alexander 46

Holmes 62 in 2 1/2 seasons

Rudi Johnson 21 but has only played 21 Games

Dillon 21 hasn't played full 16 games in 03 or 04

Jamal Lewis 27 only 1 16 game season in the last 3

Marshall Faulk 21 on around 200 carries a year!

Ahman Green 29 only 1 complete season in last 3

Clinton Portis 34 has never played a 16 game season

LaDainian Tomlinson 44

Tiki Barber 26

Those are good stats. Alot of those had to do with short goaline td's not long runs but it's a fair stat comparison.

All I know is Martin rushed for 1,697 yards last year 4.6 yards a run and he had 12 rushing td's.

That was last season. Pretty good numbers.

For Jordan to be even compared to Curtis.

He's gotta rush for 1,000 plus yards for the next 7 to 10 years every single season. Don't miss any games regardless of injury, never fumble, be a leader in the lockerroom and make all your blitz pickups in pass protection.

If Jordan does that for the next 7 to 10 years. He might reach Martin's level.

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pretty misleading savage since jordan ran the ball whenever we smelled the endzone, especially in 2003

Not really JW if Martin was such a Great Back

why didn't he get the Goal line Carries?? Can't

have it both ways..Excuses are something people

make for Martin because he's a nice Guy!But that

has nothing to do with Football! :wink:

And in 03 Jordan had a total of 46 carries and

only 1 in the month of Dec! In a 16 game season

that comes out to around 3 carries a game! Oh

yeah he hogged that ball from Cumar alright!! :lol:

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New Thread:

Curtis Martin Vs AquaMan - Let's see what Curtis can do in water.

Can Aquaman, Curtis Martin and Barry Sanders rush for 1,000 yards in their first 10 seasons. noone else has.

I heard that Aquaman's a bit of a fumbler and can't run in warm weather conditions.

In all seriousness. I'm just so sick of Martin getting blasted.

This is the most disrespected superstar in Jets history. It's embarrasing how Jets fans treat this guy.

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Can Aquaman, Curtis Martin and Barry Sanders rush for 1,000 yards in their first 10 seasons. noone else has.

I heard that Aquaman's a bit of a fumbler and can't run in warm weather conditions.

Aquaman sucks when the field is dry. He is a beast in the rain though.

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All I know is Martin rushed for 1,697 yards last year 4.6 yards a run and he had 12 rushing td's.

That was last season. Pretty good numbers.

For Jordan to be even compared to Curtis.

He's gotta rush for 1,000 plus yards for the next 7 to 10 years every single season. Don't miss any games regardless of injury, never fumble, be a leader in the lockerroom and make all your blitz pickups in pass protection.

That's the "I'm running out of Pro Martin stuff

to say!!LOL In No way should Jordan be compared

to Martin! For Pete's sake he's never even started

a Game! And in 10 years Jordan will be 37!!LOL One

thing I can say about you is your Fair...NOT!! :roll:

Hey like I said..Martin deserves the HOF because of

his Durability and Longevity! Here's a question for

you that got the Martinette's pissed on JI!! For

Talent..Not Durability..Who had better Talent Bo

Jackson or Martin?? 8)

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That's the "I'm running out of Pro Martin stuff

to say!!LOL In No way should Jordan be compared

to Martin! For Pete's sake he's never even started

a Game! And in 10 years Jordan will be 37!!LOL One

thing I can say about you is your Fair...NOT!! :roll:

Hey like I said..Martin deserves the HOF because of

his Durability and Longevity! Here's a question for

you that got the Martinette's pissed on JI!! For

Talent..Not Durability..Who had better Talent Bo

Jackson or Martin?? 8)

Bo Jackson was arguably the most talented RB pound for pound in the history of The NFL. He's one of the greatest "talents" I have ever seen at RB.

Unfortunately, He couldn't stay healthy. That's part of being a great back.

If you are going to measure Martin talent wise, in terms of pure physical ability. He doesn't measure to a ALOT OF RB's. There are 3rd string RB's in The NFL who have more physical ability than Martin BUT....

There's a difference between physical ability and being a great runner. Martin is a great runner.

He has tremendous vision and balance. He's tough, He has terrific stamina, gets better as the game goes along. He has great hands, never fumbles. Those are just some of his on field atributes.

I compare Martin to a runningback like Emmitt Smith.

Emmitt is not very strong, He's not very fast. He's not physically imposing but he was a great runner. He doesn't blow you away with his physical talents.

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Emmitt is not very strong, He's not very fast. He's not physically imposing but he was a great runner. He doesn't blow you away with his physical talents.

I can agree with that!! And I'll even say that

Martin at 31 performed eon's better then Emmitt

at that age..The last 3 yr's he played was for

Ego and Stats!!But some Young Jet Fans(Not You)

think Martin will be even better this year!! No

one beats Father time and neither will Martin!

Last year was a freak thing football wise! I've

never seen it in my years of watching Ball! Of

course we had a 6-10 schedule but I give Martin

huge props for his Career year at 31! Thank God

Holmes was hurt,Alexander didn't get 1 more carry

and Cory only played 15 games!! :lol:

Oh..And Hackett was the OC!! :idea:

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I can agree with that!! And I'll even say that

Martin at 31 performed eon's better then Emmitt

at that age..The last 3 yr's he played was for

Ego and Stats!!But some Young Jet Fans(Not You)

think Martin will be even better this year!! No

one beats Father time and neither will Martin!

Last year was a freak thing football wise! I've

never seen it in my years of watching Ball! Of

course we had a 6-10 schedule but I give Martin

huge props for his Career year at 31! Thank God

Holmes was hurt,Alexander didn't get 1 more carry

and Cory only played 15 games!! :lol:

Oh..And Hackett was the OC!! :idea:

The 6 and 10 schedule thing isn't fair. The Pats had the same schedule as The Jets. The only difference, Pats played The Colts and The Chiefs. Jets played The Chargers and The Texans.

The AFC East had 4 of the top ranked defenses in football in New England, Buffalo and Miami. The Jets also played Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

Martin was one of the few backs in The NFL to rush for 100 yards against Baltimore and San Diego last season. Two of the top 5 rushing defenses in The NFL last year.

Holmes by the way is the same age as Martin.

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To Savage's credit. Atleast he stands up and fights me on an issue.

The rest of The Martin haters ignore the facts and run for the hills. They are not interested in the reality, They'd rather stick with the perception.

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Martin was one of the few backs in The NFL to rush for 100 yards against Baltimore and San Diego last season. Two of the top 5 rushing defenses in The NFL last year.

Holmes by the way is the same age as Martin.

Ravens and Chargers were hard to run against??

Jordan avg 5 yds per in the Ravens game and

had 50 yds on 7 carries vs the Chargers..Next! :lol:

And what does Holmes age have to do with Martin?

Yeah I know Holmes sat on the Bench for 4 years

before getting a chance with the Chiefs.. :roll:

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I guess if anyone draws Savage in a X-Mas grab bag,

Curtis paraphernalia is out of the question as a gift. :lol:

LOL While that may be true I like Martin! He's

a great person..I just like to get the record

straight and on JI some young-un's were saying

he was better then Jim Brown and some others!

That always gets me going! I realize to some young

Fans Martin is the only Jet Back they have ever

seen..I like to deal more in Reality! :wink:

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LOL While that may be true I like Martin! He's

a great person..I just like to get the record

straight and on JI some young-un's were saying

he was better then Jim Brown and some others!

That always gets me going! I realize to some young

Fans Martin is the only Jet Back they have ever

seen..I like to deal more in Reality! :wink:

I hear ya, when I was younger I thought Lydell Mitchell and Terry Metcalf were the best.

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Curtis Martin and Barry Sanders rush for 1,000 yards in their first 10 seasons. noone else has.

YJF..First off..The 1000 yd rushing thing was

a Big deal in the days of 12 and 14 game seasons!

Also the backs then didn't get 350+ carries a

season!Jim Brown missed it as a rookie by 58 yds

on his 202 carries that year!Want to be fair??

Lets use Martins yd's avg and give him the same

amt of carries as they had then?? And Yes include

Barry also..But at least Sanders avg 5.0 for his

Career.. :roll:

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YJF..First off..The 1000 yd rushing thing was

a Big deal in the days of 12 and 14 game seasons!

Also the backs then didn't get 350+ carries a

season!Jim Brown missed it as a rookie by 58 yds

on his 202 carries that year!Want to be fair??

Lets use Martins yd's avg and give him the same

amt of carries as they had then?? And Yes include

Barry also..But at least Sanders avg 5.0 for his

Career.. :roll:

god i hate old wise people..... :lol:

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Ravens and Chargers were hard to run against??

Jordan avg 5 yds per in the Ravens game and

had 50 yds on 7 carries vs the Chargers..Next! :lol:

And what does Holmes age have to do with Martin?

Yeah I know Holmes sat on the Bench for 4 years

before getting a chance with the Chiefs.. :roll:

We are talking about Curtis Martin right.

How many player ran for 100 yards against Baltimore and San Diego?

Very few..... Both were ranked in the top 5 against the run.

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We are talking about Curtis Martin right.

How many player ran for 100 yards against Baltimore and San Diego?

Very few..... Both were ranked in the top 5 against the run.

Only having Fun with you Oracle!! You know your

one of my Favorite posters!! Weird though..Since

you have been on this site you day alot more in

alot less words!! :wink:

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YJF..First off..The 1000 yd rushing thing was

a Big deal in the days of 12 and 14 game seasons!

Also the backs then didn't get 350+ carries a

season!Jim Brown missed it as a rookie by 58 yds

on his 202 carries that year!Want to be fair??

Lets use Martins yd's avg and give him the same

amt of carries as they had then?? And Yes include

Barry also..But at least Sanders avg 5.0 for his

Career.. :roll:

If it's such an easy thing to do, Then How come in the history of pro football, Only 2 men have ever done it. Rest my case.

Not one Jets fan has ever said that Martin is better than Jim Brown. Be real here.....................

I'm not comparing Martin to Barry Sanders. Sanders was a unique runner that will NEVER ever be duplicated.

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If it's such an easy thing to do, Then How come in the history of pro football, Only 2 men have ever done it. Rest my case.

Not one Jets fan has ever said that Martin is better than Jim Brown. Be real here.....................

Because my Young Friend in order to have 1000+

every Season a Rookie has to go to a Team where

he's starts right away and that is hard to do!

Also like I said..In the 12 and 14 season years

Backs didn't get 350+ carries!And one other Factor

that you know I give Martin credit for..Durability! :wink:

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Aqua man has whales & sharks blocking for him,Aqua man wins

You got a point there Smizz. Although Kevin Mawae might be able to block as well as a few of those whales especially if he has the club on.

I heard that Aquaman was a little light in the loafers. I question his heart. He's got a little Santana in him.

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You got a point there Smizz. Although Kevin Mawae might be able to block as well as a few of those whales especially if he has the club on.

I heard that Aquaman was a little light in the loafers. I question his heart. He's got a little Santana in him.

I hear TomShane wants a little Santana in him :wink:

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