Le’Veon Bell anyone?

[Defense Wins Championships]

1 hour ago, Paradis said:

god no. His best years are behind him and the risks associated with backs' over age 27 are significant. 

With all due respect but what an absolute crap remark and one of the worst post's I've ever witnessed throughout all my year's of being around these forums. 

How are his "best years behind him" when he's currently only 26 years of age and over the past two years (including the playoffs) has combined for...

663 rushing attempts.
2,983 rushing yards.
4.49 yards per carry.
19 rushing touchdowns.

173 receptions.
1,362 receiving yards.
7.87 yards per reception.
5 receiving touchdowns.

4,345 All-Purpose offensive yards from scrimmage and 24 offensive touchdowns including 2 Pro Bowl's trips (2016-2017) and 1 All Pro selection (2017).

But yet you feel the right to claim that his "best years are behind him"? Absolutely disgusting. 

And let's not forget the fact(s) on how over the past two years Le'Veon Bell has...

Broken the Pittsburgh Steelers All-Time (regular season) Franchise Record for most rushing yards during a single game with 236 rushing yards, rushed for a Franchise Playoff-Record 167 rushing yards and two TD's, the very next weekend breaks his own Franchise record with 170 rushing yards and became the NFL's first player to ever rush for over 150 yards during his first two playoff games and also became one of only 4 NFL players to ever rush for 150+ yards in back to back playoff games and one of only 3 players (All-Time) with two 160+ yard playoff games wthin a career.

If anything he's enjoying the midst of a 1st ballot Hall of Fame career type of campaign.  

Please stop acting and pretending as if he's "old and washed up" while currently only being 26 years of age.

And let's not act as if Curtis Martin never accumulated 1,942 Offensive Yards from Scrimmage and 14 offensive Touchdowns off of 412 touches back in 2004 at the age of 31. 

You're not Nostradamus and you have absolutely no clue when he'll begin to slow down and you have no idea whatsoever on when his "best years will be behind him" so stop acting as if you do. 

P.S: He's one of the best conditioned athlete's @ the RB position this game has ever seen and therefore you can not compare him to "other RB's" who've since broke down before him; as he's a different type of breed and a rare talent.

 

[UntouchableCrew]

20 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

gurley gonna make 17 mill + the 2nd year of his new deal which kicks in next year..  which you already said is crazy for a RB. so which one is it ? 

He's gonna average 13.2 over the first three years of his new deal, after which point they can cut him. That's not what Bell is looking for.

[Lupz27]

21 minutes ago, sec101row23 said:

Look at the past Super Bowl champions, they’re all maxed out cap wise.   Look at Philly, they’re like 18 million over the cap next year, it’s how you do it in this league.  When you think you’re close you max out spending and hope you win it all.  If not you cut them lose and prepared for another run.  The hope is that if you have a legit QB you can do this rather easily because you reload quickly and hopefully have some good draft success, so your not having to replace 10-12 starters.   

This

Would have been real interesting to see how far this Jets team could go if the Jets pushed over whatever extra from their offer it would have taken to get Mack, and made a play for L’ev Bell, that D Monday Night looked 1 edge rusher away from next level possibilities, Darnold after that first pass showed he won’t lose the game, will manage the game, AND make the few big plays on 3rd downs, and in the Red Zone.

One would argue the Jets would still be a player, or 2 short on the offensive line, but let’s be real here WHO isn’t?  Outside of the Steelers, Cowboys, and maybe 2-3 other teams (Titans? Saints? Bengals?) nobody has a good O-line, maybe we as fans didn’t see it from the outside, maybe this team is a Khalil Mack away, and throw a topper of Lev Bell to help Darnold keep not losing games as a rookie, and insta open window for winning starts.

[sec101row23]

5 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

This

Would have been real interesting to see how far this Jets team could go if the Jets pushed over whatever extra from their offer it would have taken to get Mack, and made a play for L’ev Bell, that D Monday Night looked 1 edge rusher away from next level possibilities, Darnold after that first pass showed he won’t lose the game, will manage the game, AND make the few big plays on 3rd downs, and in the Red Zone.

One would argue the Jets would still be a player, or 2 short on the offensive line, but let’s be real here WHO isn’t?  Outside of the Steelers, Cowboys, and maybe 2-3 other teams (Titans? Saints? Bengals?) nobody has a good O-line, maybe we as fans didn’t see it from the outside, maybe this team is a Khalil Mack away, and throw a topper of Lev Bell to help Darnold keep not losing games as a rookie, and insta open window for winning starts.

We’ll know at the end of this season where things stand, not spending the money right now is smart IMO.  Draft picks are extremely valuable right now, and giving away the two first round picks along with not having a 2 next year would have been foolish.  Still holes to be filled. 

[Paradis]

49 minutes ago, Scoop24 said:

So u think the year off hurts him as opposed to playing and absorbing another 300+ touches ? 

both are bad. 

[Paradis]

30 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

With all due respect but what an absolute crap remark and one of the worst post's I've ever witnessed throughout all my year's of being around these forums. 

How are his "best years behind him" when he's currently only 26 years of age and over the past two years (including the playoffs) has combined for...

663 rushing attempts.
2,983 rushing yards.
4.49 yards per carry.
19 rushing touchdowns.

173 receptions.
1,362 receiving yards.
7.87 yards per reception.
5 receiving touchdowns.

4,345 All-Purpose offensive yards from scrimmage and 24 offensive touchdowns including 2 Pro Bowl's trips (2016-2017) and 1 All Pro selection (2017).

But yet you feel the right to claim that his "best years are behind him"? Absolutely disgusting. 

And let's not forget the fact(s) on how over the past two years Le'Veon Bell has...

Broken the Pittsburgh Steelers All-Time (regular season) Franchise Record for most rushing yards during a single game with 236 rushing yards, rushed for a Franchise Playoff-Record 167 rushing yards and two TD's, the very next weekend breaks his own Franchise record with 170 rushing yards and became the NFL's first player to ever rush for over 150 yards during his first two playoff games and also became one of only 4 NFL players to ever rush for 150+ yards in back to back playoff games and one of only 3 players (All-Time) with two 160+ yard playoff games wthin a career.

If anything he's enjoying the midst of a 1st ballot Hall of Fame career type of campaign.  

Please stop acting and pretending as if he's "old and washed up" while currently only being 26 years of age.

And let's not act as if Curtis Martin never accumulated 1,942 Offensive Yards from Scrimmage and 14 offensive Touchdowns off of 412 touches back in 2004 at the age of 31. 

You're not Nostradamus and you have absolutely no clue when he'll begin to slow down and you have no idea whatsoever on when his "best years will be behind him" so stop acting as if you do. 

P.S: He's one of the best conditioned athlete's @ the RB position this game has ever seen and therefore you can not compare him to "other RB's" who've since broke down before him; as he's a different type of breed and a rare talent.

 

 

 

hey guess what?...

 

chicken butt. 

 

i'm not reading your post. Your opening line is hyperbole beyond reason. 

[Paradis]

1 hour ago, sec101row23 said:

Not really, they can still easily keep their core guys.  They are all in on a 2 year run, if they don’t win a Super Bowl they cut the Talibs, Cooks, Suhs   etc, etc and reload with the core of Goff, Gurley, Donald and such.  That’s how you have to make your runs in this league, you can’t load up on Super Bowl talent and still be looking at $40 million dollars in cap space every year.  

I agree with this. Gotta pay if you wanna play. There's lots of opportunity to sign playmakers for big 1-2 year (guaranteed) deals. As long as the center pieces; QB, LT, C, WR1, DE/OLB, CB1 are there, you can continue to compete at the highest level if things break your way.

Me? Bell's not the guy. That's all, I'd spend elsewhere. 

[Jetster]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I mean, hey, you never know. But personally I think Goff is a fraud and "dream team" team building always backfires. I'd be surprised if very legit chemistry/locker room issues don't arise. There's a reason why guys like Suh, Peters and Talib keep getting shipped out of town or moved for pennies on the dollar.

Suh & Talib aren't youngsters anymore, lets see if they can last 16 games healthy. Suh is 32 in January & Talib is 32! You never know in the NFL. It's a LONG SEASON for older guys.

[Paradis]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

There won't be.

I can't remember who said it on the air, but they recanted LAR's run at K Malick, which was interesting. They were planning to take for 1 year, and then trade him to recoup the 1st round pick they were willing to pay... That's an interesting idea if executed. 

[Scoop24]

1 minute ago, Paradis said:

I can't remember who said it on the air, but they recanted LAR's run at K Malick, which was interesting. They were planning to take for 1 year, and then trade him to recoup the 1st round pick they were willing to pay... That's an interesting idea if executed. 

Heard the same thing . Rams front office playing madden with the nfl  it’s kinda impressive . Pay the core and load up on rentals .

[Defense Wins Championships]

13 minutes ago, Paradis said:

 

 

hey guess what?...

 

chicken butt. 

 

i'm not reading your post. Your opening line is hyperbole beyond reason. 

Only 26 years of age and over the past two years (including the playoffs) has combined for...

663 rushing attempts.
2,983 rushing yards.
4.49 yards per carry.
19 rushing touchdowns.

173 receptions.
1,362 receiving yards.
7.87 yards per reception.
5 receiving touchdowns.

4,345 All-Purpose offensive yards from scrimmage and 24 offensive touchdowns including 2 Pro Bowl's trips (2016-2017) and 1 All Pro selection (2017).

Broken the Pittsburgh Steelers All-Time (regular season) Franchise Record for most rushing yards during a single game with 236 rushing yards, rushed for a Franchise Playoff-Record 167 rushing yards and two TD's, the very next weekend breaks his own Franchise record with 170 rushing yards and became the NFL's first player to everrush for over 150 yards during his first two playoff games and also became one of only 4 NFL players to ever rush for 150+ yards in back to back playoff games and one of only 3 players (All-Time) with two 160+ yard playoff games wthin a career.

"HIS BEST YEARS ARE BEHIND HIM" ???.

[UntouchableCrew]

6 minutes ago, Paradis said:

I can't remember who said it on the air, but they recanted LAR's run at K Malick, which was interesting. They were planning to take for 1 year, and then trade him to recoup the 1st round pick they were willing to pay... That's an interesting idea if executed. 

I've heard the same thing but it feels far fetched to me. Certainly ambitious though.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

27 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

He's gonna average 13.2 over the first three years of his new deal, after which point they can cut him. That's not what Bell is looking for.

Sorry to nitpick, however Gurley will make $15 mil the first 3 years.

$21.95 (year 1) + $12.55 (year 2) + $10.5 (year 3), that's his cash payout.

[Defense Wins Championships]

51 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

This

Would have been real interesting to see how far this Jets team could go if the Jets pushed over whatever extra from their offer it would have taken to get Mack, and made a play for L’ev Bell, that D Monday Night looked 1 edge rusher away from next level possibilities, Darnold after that first pass showed he won’t lose the game, will manage the game, AND make the few big plays on 3rd downs, and in the Red Zone.

One would argue the Jets would still be a player, or 2 short on the offensive line, but let’s be real here WHO isn’t?  Outside of the Steelers, Cowboys, and maybe 2-3 other teams (Titans? Saints? Bengals?) nobody has a good O-line, maybe we as fans didn’t see it from the outside, maybe this team is a Khalil Mack away, and throw a topper of Lev Bell to help Darnold keep not losing games as a rookie, and insta open window for winning starts.

Yea but Khalil Mack isn't the only outside/edge rusher in this league as 8 players had more sacks than him during 2016 and just last year alone 14 other pass rushers had more sacks than that of Khalil Mack. 

And come the offseason there is no doubt about it we're landing one of either Dante Fowler Jr., Jadeveon Clowney, DeMarcus Lawrence and/or Ezekiel Ansah and with all of our available salary cap space and heaven forbid we quite possibly land TWO of these outside/edge pass rushers. 

We are absolutely loaded in available salary cap space with a Franchise QB on a rookie contract.

We could easily sign two of these pass rushers come Free Agency (two for the price of Khalil Mack) and Le'Veon Bell; and still have way more than enough to lock up our own homegrown and Jets drafted players moving forward. 

[Jetster]

Curtis Martin was 25 years old when he came to the NY Jets & played with us from 1998-2006, that's 8 years! Bell is 26 and we'd be hoping to get 4 great years out of him. Go look at their playoff numbers.

Martin- 2001 (106 yards) vs Raiders (loss), 2004 (66 yards) vs Chargers (win), (77 yards) vs Steelers (loss)

Bell 2016 playoffs- (167 yards) vs Miami (win), (170 yards) vs KC (win), vs NE (hurt) loss

2017 playoffs vs Jax- 165 total yards (loss) 

[Jetster]

13 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Yea but Khalil Mack isn't the only outside/edge rusher in this league as 8 players had more sacks than him during 2016 and just last year alone 14 other pass rushers had more sacks than that of Khalil Mack. 

And come the offseason there is no doubt about it we're landing one of either Dante Fowler Jr., Jadeveon Clowney, DeMarcus Lawrence and/or Ezekiel Ansah and with all of our available salary cap space and heaven forbid we quite possibly land TWO of these outside/edge pass rushers. 

We are absolutely loaded in available salary cap space with a Franchise QB on a rookie contract.

We could easily sign two of these pass rushers come Free Agency (two for the price of Khalil Mack) and Le'Veon Bell; and still have way more than enough to lock up our own homegrown and Jets drafted players moving forward. 

Now that we didn't get Mack, I think Macc should just be bold in the 2019 draft! Supposedly Bosa & Oliver are just absolute STUD pass rushers. Use Oline vets in free agency (no one knows with drafted Oline anymore with them all coming out of this run & shoot sh*t), plus a smarter Darnold will help the oline.  Offer your 2020 #1 pick to move up with a team to draft Bosa or Oliver!

You put a stud young pass rusher for 5 years with Darnold & we could vie for a Bowl. Pick up Fowler too in FA after Jax doesn't resign him. 

[Jetster]

19 hours ago, themeangreenkillingmachine said:

The Jets have the most cap room in the NFL and Darnold is on the cheap for the next five years. now is the time to give out big contracts, but I'd much rather give a 4-5 year 100 mil contract to a LT or Edge rusher. Jets could give it out to both. paying rbs big money is just stupid. their best years are their first 5 years, which is when they're under their rookie deal. Steelers know it which is why they're not paying up.

 

it's really unfortunate for rbs and it should be addressed in the next CBA. RBs should either receive the biggest rookie contracts or keep rbs out of the draft and allow them to sign to the highest bidder as a FA

Big time edge pass rushers don't get to free agency. A hold out & trade like Chicago made is the way to go if necessary. I guarantee you Macc was trying for Mack (no brainer!) but I do believe that Oakland WOULD NOT under any circumstance trade him in the AFC. Based on what we saw Monday, this D would have been badazz with Mack chasing QBs & our secondary jumping routes.

[Lupz27]

19 minutes ago, Defense Wins Championships said:

Yea but Khalil Mack isn't the only outside/edge rusher in this league as 8 players had more sacks than him during 2016 and just last year alone 14 other pass rushers had more sacks than that of Khalil Mack. 

And come the offseason there is no doubt about it we're landing one of either Dante Fowler Jr., Jadeveon Clowney, DeMarcus Lawrence and/or Ezekiel Ansah and with all of our available salary cap space and heaven forbid we quite possibly land TWO of these outside/edge pass rushers. 

We are absolutely loaded in available salary cap space with a Franchise QB on a rookie contract.

We could easily sign two of these pass rushers come Free Agency (two for the price of Khalil Mack) and Le'Veon Bell; and still have way more than enough to lock up our own homegrown and Jets drafted players moving forward. 

Fowler is the only guy on this list that’s a 3-4 edge rusher, both Lawrence and Ansah are 4-3 DE’s no guarantee they work, and Clowney is more of an inside rusher then edge rusher.

A better plan is to get a stud in the draft, or get the BEST OLB/DE period in the game, he is the best run stuffing OLB/DE in the league, he is also top 3 edge pass rushers in the game, he is a complete player that only comes along once every 20 years in Mack.  So let’s draft one in the 1st round next draft and cross our fingers that he will be at least good, and if he isn’t could see the Jets drafting that same position in the 1st the following draft, just pay the 2 picks now for guaranteed All Pro play at that position.

[Defense Wins Championships]

4 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Now that we didn't get Mack, I think Macc should just be bold in the 2019 draft! Supposedly Bosa & Oliver are just absolute STUD pass rushers. Use Oline vets in free agency (no one knows with drafted Oline anymore with them all coming out of this run & shoot sh*t), plus a smarter Darnold will help the oline.  Offer your 2020 #1 pick to move up with a team to draft Bosa or Oliver!

You put a stud young pass rusher for 5 years with Darnold & we could vie for a Bowl. Pick up Fowler too in FA after Jax doesn't resign him. 

I would give up our entire draft in order to land Nick Bosa who's currently only 20 years of age and an absolute pass rushing nightmare. There is zero bust factor with this kid just as there was none with his older brother Joey. None whatsoever. 

To walk away with two blue chip Franchise players on both sides of the ball in Sam Darnold and Nick Bosa during consecutive draft(s) is unimaginable...

And hypothetically speaking to pair two athletically gifted pass rushers in Nick Bosa and Dante Fowler Jr. opposite of one another with a fully loaded secondary behind them is an instant trip to the Super Bowl behind a Franchise caliber signal caller in Sam Darnold. 

[UntouchableCrew]

47 minutes ago, LAD_Brooklyn said:

Sorry to nitpick, however Gurley will make $15 mil the first 3 years.

$21.95 (year 1) + $12.55 (year 2) + $10.5 (year 3), that's his cash payout.

Well the extension doesn't technically kick in until after this year. The 21.95 number is his base salary (950k) plus the 21 million signing bonus.

I was going off of his cap number for the first three years of the "new" deal (his new money with the signing bonus spread over it.)