Le’Veon Bell anyone?

[Patriot Killa]

Not for nothing but a lot of the people who are calling Bell a cancer and “Me first player”, were open arms for Khalil Mack or Dante Fowler Jr.

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Scoop24 said:

 He is trying to get paid and he deserves it . There is no next big contract for him . Dude is 30% of there offense . There very least they could do is reward him for the next 3 years.  Instead they have him on 1 year deals giving 300+ touches a year . 

It's not so great for the player, but from the team's standpoint, in a fixed-cap league, do they really want to guarantee 3 years to a RB with 1700 touches, who's missed playoff games in 2 of the last 4 seasons?

The problem for Pittsburgh is they just don't know until after the fact which RB is going to hit the wall at ~2000 touches. They seemed willing to pay him like that every year, so long as he isn't coming off a year where he's shown signs of wear (which then indicates he's not worth that anymore). Not when they're about to enter the next echelon of QB contracts for Roethlisberger at the tail end of the Bell guarantees. 

The problem for Bell is that the Steelers are in a position to leverage their risk like this while the player isn't. The franchise tag just doesn't affect all positions equally. Least of all one like RB where the player only rarely plays out 2 full contracts without getting released because they're fighting against more wear & tear than any other position where youthful speed/quickness is paramount, not to mention the highest likelihood of effectiveness-robbing injury).  It's so lopsided for that position the tag for RBs in particular shouldn't be the average of top 5 RBs but rather should jump right into 144% of the previous season's #1 compensation (if the FT practice is continued at all) in a new CBA. This way, the team can't get such a deal on the current year while simultaneously eliminating its long-term risk exposure; they'll have a real decision on their hands instead of a no-brainer.

But if the 5 year deal really only contained $10m in true guarantees as alleged - with the $33m being one of those rolling guarantees (i.e. IF he's on the roster on March 10...) which is really just annual, early-decision on his roster spot - then the truth is he'd have been better off with the franchise tag. Or anyway he'd certainly be no worse off, which is why he didn't sign it. Depends, really. If they had a giant injury-only guarantee then he should have signed it. If he's still worth the money in year 3, but the Steelers cut him anyway due to cap problems, he wouldn't even clear waivers on what's then another year-to-year contract with no up front money.

[Drums]

1 hour ago, Jetster said:

You guys wouldn't pay Bell 17 million to team up with Crowell next year even if he didn't play this year? That would be crazy talk, my god we paid Mo Wilkerson 17 million for 3 sacks. 

 

Using Mo to prove we should pay someone 17 million is a terrible analogy haha

[TnT]

Lev Bell is a gifted RB,

Im just not sure I want the Jets to pay him enough money to where he isn’t gonna holdout in 2 yrs.

[Jetster]

Just now, Drums said:

Using Mo to prove we should pay someone 17 million is a terrible analogy haha

I don't think so at all when you examine the bang for your buck. We're probably not ready to challenge for a Super Bowl next year, but who the hell knows? The Giants got in at 9-7 & won the Super Bowl.

Push everything aside, and imagine the Jets have a good year, they have 98 million to spend, they sign a couple of pass rushers, draft Oline ect.. Parcells always said, its about getting into the tournament. 

You could have a crazy upset in the NFC & play a team you match up well with. It's 1 freaking game! Sam with Bell & Crowell, Kearse, Pryor, Quincy, Anderson, maybe Herndon comes on & blows up next year? Anyone that says that's not enough to win a Super Bowl is crazy! Bell ain't no Curtis Martin in big games, Le'veon could run & catch for 200 yards for gods sake!

[Drums]

4 minutes ago, Jetster said:

I don't think so at all when you examine the bang for your buck. We're probably not ready to challenge for a Super Bowl next year, but who the hell knows? The Giants got in at 9-7 & won the Super Bowl.

Push everything aside, and imagine the Jets have a good year, they have 98 million to spend, they sign a couple of pass rushers, draft Oline ect.. Parcells always said, its about getting into the tournament. 

You could have a crazy upset in the NFC & play a team you match up well with. It's 1 freaking game! Sam with Bell & Crowell, Kearse, Pryor, Quincy, Anderson, maybe Herndon comes on & blows up next year? Anyone that says that's not enough to win a Super Bowl is crazy! Bell ain't no Curtis Martin in big games, Le'veon could run & catch for 200 yards for gods sake!

I know what you mean; he'd make our team better and that gives us a chance. But we do know he has a lot of miles and that a good line can help make even an ordinary back better (meaning in our case we should focus on the offensive line and maybe our RBs will be good enough anyway). I haven't watched Bell play much so I can't sit here and say how much better we'd be, but I don't think we'll go after him even if we could, unless it's at a bargain. 

 

[Warfish]

2 hours ago, FloridaJetsFan said:

Would/Could/Should the Jets try to deal with Steelers to get Bell if he’s willing to sign a multiple year deal?

No thank you.

[Jetster]

4 minutes ago, Drums said:

I know what you mean; he'd make our team better and that gives us a chance. But we do know he has a lot of miles and that a good line can help make even an ordinary back better (meaning in our case we should focus on the offensive line and maybe our RBs will be good enough anyway). I haven't watched Bell play much so I can't sit here and say how much better we'd be, but I don't think we'll go after him even if we could, unless it's at a bargain. 

 

Well, he's always voted by his peers in the top 5 of the top 100 players in football so....I'd say he's pretty damn good!

[JohnnyLV]

No. He cannot sign an extension. Plus odds on him pulling a hammy without any football activity is super high, AND running back are not worth $14 million in cap space. Our running attack seemed more than OK Monday night.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

48 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Not for nothing but a lot of the people who are calling Bell a cancer and “Me first player”, were open arms for Khalil Mack or Dante Fowler Jr.

Preach and very selective of them to tolerate it from player X but not Y. 

[Doggin94it]

1 hour ago, Jetster said:

You guys wouldn't pay Bell 17 million to team up with Crowell next year even if he didn't play this year? That would be crazy talk, my god we paid Mo Wilkerson 17 million for 3 sacks. 

 

Did ... did you just ask if we ought to spend $22,000,000 in cap space on the running back position next year?

When the next highest cap spending on RBs next year will be around 10M?

Is that honestly your question?

[Jetster]

3 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Did ... did you just ask if we ought to spend $22,000,000 in cap space on the running back position next year?

When the next highest cap spending on RBs next year will be around 10M?

Is that honestly your question?

No one is paying Bell 22 million so your question is dumb.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

Bell can't be extended. Nor does it makes sense to give up a 3rd when the Dolphins and Browns already set a precedent with Landry who was traded for a 4th with the full capability of playing 16 games. 

As for Bell, it seems like he's holding out til after the deadline therefore he can't be traded after signing his tag.

[Jethead]

No compensation to the Steelers just Woody's money for Bell. Who cares how much, it's Woody's money and he can afford it. Why wouldn't we do that.

[BurnleyJet]

Can he play OLB?

[EM31]

Remember that Corey Dillon was a me first malcontent until it turned out that he wasn't.

Trashing the player in these situations works to the advantage of the team and it's negotiating position.

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said:

Not for nothing but a lot of the people who are calling Bell a cancer and “Me first player”, were open arms for Khalil Mack or Dante Fowler Jr.

Bell has been suspended twice, Fowler once and Mack 0....We all know RBs have a short shelf life. Bell is always complaining about his contract (which he can if he wants)...I haven't heard Fowler and we all know about Mack. 

[themeangreenkillingmachine]

The Jets have the most cap room in the NFL and Darnold is on the cheap for the next five years. now is the time to give out big contracts, but I'd much rather give a 4-5 year 100 mil contract to a LT or Edge rusher. Jets could give it out to both. paying rbs big money is just stupid. their best years are their first 5 years, which is when they're under their rookie deal. Steelers know it which is why they're not paying up.

 

it's really unfortunate for rbs and it should be addressed in the next CBA. RBs should either receive the biggest rookie contracts or keep rbs out of the draft and allow them to sign to the highest bidder as a FA

[Creepy Lurker]

3 minutes ago, themeangreenkillingmachine said:

The Jets have the most cap room in the NFL and Darnold is on the cheap for the next five years. now is the time to give out big contracts, but I'd much rather give a 4-5 year 100 mil contract to a LT or Edge rusher. Jets could give it out to both. paying rbs big money is just stupid. their best years are their first 5 years, which is when they're under their rookie deal. Steelers know it which is why they're not paying up.

 

it's really unfortunate for rbs and it should be addressed in the next CBA. RBs should either receive the biggest rookie contracts or keep rbs out of the draft and allow them to sign to the highest bidder as a FA

Money goes quick and we don’t have a lot of players under contract next year. Do you know who I’d really like to sign?

Quincy Enunwa 

Robbie Anderson 

Jermaine Kearse 

Terrelle Pryor

Morris Claiborne 

Henry Anderson 

Bilal Powell (1-2 year deal since he turns 30)

O-line to replace carpenter and others

Decent Passrusher

possibly resign Leo next year if he shows enough this year.

 

This is about $80-$90 mil right here assuming that we do all of the above(maybe no Pryor) and sign 2 Oline players and 1 decent Passrusher. PLUS we still have to resign jags to fill out roster and our 2019 draft class. No thanks to Bell. Build on our potentially solid core if all goes well this year and only fill glaring needs.  

[GreenFish]

4 hours ago, Jetster said:

No one is paying Bell 22 million so your question is dumb.

Bell at $16m plus Crowell at $5m in 2019 is $21m plus another $0.7 mil for McGuire is close to $22 million. That’s a lot of money to tie up into the running back position. Currently the Steelers are atop in RB spending at $15 million followed by the Bills WR $13 million.

[jetsjets]

I’d pass on Bell this season and next. His mevis attitude could become contagious. Invest in the line. We do that and anyone of the four guys we already have can get the job done 

[Larz]

Crowell and Powell are fine 

Invest in LT, TE, LG AND WR 

[Creepy Lurker]

7 minutes ago, Larz said:

Crowell and Powell are fine 

Invest in LT, TE, LG AND WR 

Bingo...and Passrusher which I assume is draft but LT and Passrusher are interchangeable for draft. Our team will be “good enough” with a few more moves and get better with chemistry. The key to being a truly good team is QB. He will elevate everyone else.

No need to make bad decisions. If we want long term success, we need to build a sustainable cap situation and TEAM full of good players, not junk and a few superstars. I’m not getting my hopes up after 1 game but if this team does well (8-8), we need to stick with this core and tweak it a little. Nothing crazy.

Sam’s natural evolution will take us where we need to go. Just gotta protect him and give him enough WEAPONS plural not 1 overpriced WEAPON. 

[GreenFish]

6 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

 

 

This is about $80-$90 mil right here assuming that we do all of the above(maybe no Pryor) and sign 2 Oline players and 1 decent Passrusher. PLUS we still have to resign jags to fill out roster and our 2019 draft class. No thanks to Bell. Build on our potentially solid core if all goes well this year and only fill glaring needs.  

This is for the most part my ideal offseason. 1) Sign our own guys first. 2) Get the best edge we can get in free agency. 3) Add depth where needed 4) BPA in draft

2020 go all in.

Follow what the Rams did. 

[Creepy Lurker]

3 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

This is for the most part my ideal offseason. 1) Sign our own guys first. 2) Get the best edge we can get in free agency. 3) Add depth where needed 4) BPA in draft

2020 go all in.

Follow what the Rams did. 

Yes. You can go “all in” when you become a winner and get closer. It’s the only way free agents will come here anyways at a reasonable price to help us “get over the hump”.

I’m just looking to get all my questions answered this season about this GM, coach, players etc and then we can move forward. It’s going to be an exciting year either way. 

[Larz]

8 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

Bingo...and Passrusher which I assume is draft but LT and Passrusher are interchangeable for draft. Our team will be “good enough” with a few more moves and get better with chemistry. The key to being a truly good team is QB. He will elevate everyone else.

No need to make bad decisions. If we want long term success, we need to build a sustainable cap situation and TEAM full of good players, not junk and a few superstars. I’m not getting my hopes up after 1 game but if this team does well (8-8), we need to stick with this core and tweak it a little. Nothing crazy.

Sam’s natural evolution will take us where we need to go. Just gotta protect him and give him enough WEAPONS plural not 1 overpriced WEAPON. 

Yeah it's risky but next years class is supposed to have a lot of rushers. 

Of course it's hard to say who will be available at 27

[Larz]

Duh 

[Doggin94it]

5 hours ago, Jetster said:

No one is paying Bell 22 million so your question is dumb.

You asked why not give Bell 17M per to team with Crowell. Who has a 5M cap hit next year (4M salary).  Is math not your strong suit? Do you think teams get some sort of cap exception for their backup rbs?  Or were you just being ignorant? 

[Jet9]

Maybe when he's a FA, but I'm not trading anything for a guy we can't extend and will HAVE to play or not play on the Franchise Tag this year anyway. Call me crazy but all signs point to him not playing under the tag this year. 

[King P]

Oh look, its a bunch of posters calling a player selfish because he actually wants to get paid. Color me shocked ?

[Philc1]

James Conner, a career scrub who came back from cancer, put up excellent numbers in Bell’s absence.

 

goes to show you how valuable Leveon Bell is

[Doggin94it]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

James Conner, a career scrub who came back from cancer, put up excellent numbers in Bell’s absence.

 

goes to show you how valuable Leveon Bell is

You mean Pittsburgh's 2017 3rd round pick?  A second year player drafted in the early rounds is a "career scrub"?

Is it that you have an agenda, or do you just not know what you're talking about?

[Philc1]

19 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

You mean Pittsburgh's 2017 3rd round pick?  A second year player drafted in the early rounds is a "career scrub"?

Is it that you have an agenda, or do you just not know what you're talking about?

Just because you want to give a good, not great running back with substantial mileage $100 million+ when we still desperately need pass rushers don’t get mad at me

[Sarge4Tide]

[Creepy Lurker]

I was just scouting the 2019 FA crop and its nothing great. There will probably be a bidding war for Anthony Barr and I’m not sure he’d be worth it although we are desperate. We may be able to find a decent interior o-lineman to replace Carpenter and depth but no tackles.

We pretty much need to resign our own, o-line depth, Decent TE, pass rusher and hope to get lucky and maybe the honey badger since skrine’s a free agent. LT and Passrusher will have to come from the draft realistically (no surprise here) so it’s a good thing we have the extra 3rd from the Bridgewater trade to move up into the 2nd round.

Given our needs, I’m fine with trading up this year since our back end of the roster seems fine with all the JAGS that mac has found. Maybe 1 late pick on a return specialist since Roberts isn’t young. 

This post is relevant to this thread because there will be a bidding war for Bell since FA is not what it used to be and not many stars hit it. We don’t want to be in a spot where we can’t roll over our unused cap though so depending on if we can sign key FAs from other teams early, we probably won’t know enough as to if we can splurge on Bell or not.

I’d rather not pursue Bell and don’t think it’ll work with our timing. We have other priorities/FAs to attack first and by then it’ll be too late but that’s not the end of the world.