Tannehill CBPOY?

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

I never wrote you were "totally wrong" about anything.

What I wrote is that Tannehill isn't a difference maker at QB. There are probably 20 QBs in the league who could make a title game with the running game and complement of weapons he had this year.

Was Sanchez a good QB because he made the title game twice with the best defense and running game in the league?

I guess you are hanging your hat on the CBPOY award? That's cool. But, I mean, Chad Pennington won that award once. It didn't make him a franchise QB. 

But carry on.

Ok. But I just love how the narrative was then "he can never win CBOPY award because he sucks" to now "yeah, well he's still not a difference-maker." At least the needle of perception of Tannehill is moving in the right direction.

[slimjasi]

3 minutes ago, jgb said:

Well, getting hurt a lot actually helps a player's chance of winning CBPOY.

#GeniusPrediction

LMAO. 

Ok, I guess you wanted to troll. 

Really good point. 

Hopefully the Dolphins bring him back this offseason. Why would they bother drafting Tua? There is already a stud on the open market who they know and love!

No brainer! cOmEbAcK pLaYeR oF tHe yEaR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

Ok. But I just love how the narrative was then "he can never win CBOPY award because he sucks" 

He still sucks.  And he has this in common with everyone posting in this thread:  He's currently not employed by an NFL team.  

CBPOY was never intended to prove a player doesn't suck.  

[jgb]

1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

LMAO. 

Ok, I guess you wanted to troll. 

Really good point. 

Hopefully the Dolphins bring him back this offseason. Why would they bother drafting Tua? There is already a stud on the open market who they know and love!

No brainer! cOmEbAcK pLaYeR oF tHe yEaR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Titans would be insane to let Tannehill go.

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, jgb said:

Titans would be insane to let Tannehill go.

They'd be insane to pay him starter money.  Not when they have Derrick Henry and Jack Conklin and 3 of their top 4 corners to pay.  

[jgb]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

He still sucks.  CBPOY was never intended to prove a player doesn't suck.  

I happen to disagree that he sucks but even so, that doesn't invalidate the correctness of the prediction.

[slimjasi]

Just now, jgb said:

Ok. But I just love how the narrative was then "he can never win CBOPY award because he sucks" to now "yeah, well he's still not a difference-maker."

You are arguing with the wrong guy. I have never brought up anything regarding the CBOPY award.

It's a feel good award, but has no bearing on the long term viability of a player. 

[Jetsfan80]

Just now, jgb said:

I happen to disagree that he sucks but even so, that doesn't invalidate the correctness of the prediction.

Didn't say you were wrong.  Only that Tannehill sucks and, like me, isn't currently on an NFL team.  

[jgb]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

They'd be insane to pay him starter money.  

He'll get starter money somewhere for certain. Titans aren't getting a FQB at pick 29 and Mariota is done there. What else would they do? Get a Dalton or trade all the way up in the draft?

[slimjasi]

 

2 minutes ago, jgb said:

Titans would be insane to let Tannehill go.

I'm guessing you also thought the Eagles were insane to let Foles go, right? ?

 

[jgb]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Didn't say you were wrong.  Only that Tannehill sucks and, like me, isn't currently on an NFL team.  

Obviously we disagree but I look forward to the debate continuing next season. 

[greenwichjetfan]

4 minutes ago, jgb said:

Sore loser.

What would the result have been if you had put down $100 for Tannehill to win CBOTY at 65:1 odds at a sportsbook on 9/23/2018?

[jgb]

Just now, slimjasi said:

 

I'm guessing you thought the Eagles were insane to let Foles go, right? ?

 

Nope, you know I've written enough that you can use actual words I've said rather than putting them into my mouth.

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

He'll get starter money somewhere for certain. Titans aren't getting a FQB at pick 29 and Mariota is done there. What else would they do? Get a Dalton or trade all the way up in the draft?

Phillip Rivers or Teddy Bridgewater.

I'd advise against going after Brady but it's certainly possible they do that.  

This is a pretty good year for going after a FA QB.  Which is rare.

[jgb]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

Phillip Rivers or Teddy Bridgewater.

I'd advise against going after Brady but it's certainly possible they do that.  

Rivers interesting, actually. Teddy not an upgrade over Tannehill IMHO.

Anyone who takes Brady I believe will regret it.

[slimjasi]

7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Twice.  It's the Chad Pennington Award.

Tannehill has a lot of Pennington on the field.  A dink and dunk QB who needs a great running game and defense to win.  Although he seems like a good dude, not a douche like Chad.  

Yeah, they are comparable. 

And interestingly, Tannehill's "breakout" season this year is statistically similar to Chad's first magical season in 2002. 

[Jetsfan80]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

Rivers interesting, actually. Teddy not an upgrade over Tannehill IMHO.

Anyone who takes Brady I believe will regret it.

 

I'd much rather go to war with Teddy over Tannehill.  And Teddy would likely come cheaper, as I don't think anyone projects him to be an unquestioned starter at this point.

Brees and Dak Prescott are FA's currently as well.  They likely end up returning but you never know for sure.  

[jgb]

3 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

What would the result have been if you had put down $100 for Tannehill to win CBOTY at 65:1 odds at a sportsbook on 9/23/2018?

Renewed prediction 2019 season when he was a backup at the time but can't seem to find it (something funky with the search feature, had to find this one via Google). Better to be a year off than totally, absolutely wrong about the guy.

[jgb]

1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

Yeah, they are comparable. 

And interestingly, Tannehill's "breakout" season this year is statistically similar to Chad's first magical season in 2002. 

How many times did Chad throw 4,000 yards or lead the league in YPA? 0 and 0. That's 2 and 1 time less than Ryan.

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

I'd much rather go to war with Teddy over Tannehill.  And Teddy would come cheaper.

Brees and Dak Prescott are FA's currently as well.  They likely end up returning but you never know for sure.  

So Tannehill benefited from the Titans supporting cast (which didn't look so good with Mariota at the helm) but Teddy is an amazing QB for stepping into the Saints high octane offense and not sucking? Look, I wish the Jets kept Teddy and advocated hard for it at the time but the two are not comparable IMHO. Teddy would be cheaper because he should be. "You get what you pay for."

[slimjasi]

3 minutes ago, jgb said:

Nope, you know I've written enough that you can use actual words I've said rather than putting them into my mouth.

haha, you mean like you just did 10 minutes ago?

Gotta give you credit, the Tannehill stuff is a clever troll. Did not see this coming. You managed to pick a decidedly mediocre player who was once in the division so you can capitalize on the leftover emotional divisional baggage angle. Very nice touch. 

[slimjasi]

1 minute ago, jgb said:

How many times did Chad throw 4,000 yards or lead the league in YPA? 0 and 0. That's 2 and 1 time less than Ryan.

Oh wow. How many times did Pennington have his starting running back average 5 yards per carry?

Also, Chad won 2 CBPOY awards, not one. Get on his level, Ryan!

[greenwichjetfan]

7 minutes ago, jgb said:

Renewed prediction 2019 season when he was a backup at the time but can't seem to find it (something funky with the search feature, had to find this one via Google). Better to be a year off than totally, absolutely wrong about the guy.

But this thread, my responses, and your quoting of me had nothing to do with 2019. You were wrong two years ago, you were wrong throughout the year, and you’re wrong today. He didn’t win CPOY in 2018. This is seriously the stupidest flex I’ve ever seen. 

[slimjasi]

10 minutes ago, jgb said:

Renewed prediction 2019 season when he was a backup at the time but can't seem to find it (something funky with the search feature, had to find this one via Google). Better to be a year off than totally, absolutely wrong about the guy.

Listen.

I will leave this discussion here. But, because you decided to shamelessly troll people over a comeback player of the year award prediction (in the wrong year! LMAO), I am warning you: I am going to troll you endlessly if Tannehill sucks next year. Endlessly. I will start threads. I will probably get banned. But it will be worth it. 

Laters

[Warfish]

26 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Didn't say you were wrong.  Only that Tannehill sucks and, like me, isn't currently on an NFL team.  

Just like you.

[UntouchableCrew]

1 hour ago, jgb said:

Or a good season

He had a good season, I'll give him that. He was on a run first team with an elite offensive line and was a super effective game manager for them. That's probably his ceiling.

[jgb]

31 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

He had a good season, I'll give him that. He was on a run first team with an elite offensive line and was a super effective game manager for them. That's probably his ceiling.

I think it’s more than that he led the league in yards per attempt, that says more than game manager to me.

[jgb]

2 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Listen.

I will leave this discussion here. But, because you decided to shamelessly troll people over a comeback player of the year award prediction (in the wrong year! LMAO), I am warning you: I am going to troll you endlessly if Tannehill sucks next year. Endlessly. I will start threads. I will probably get banned. But it will be worth it. 

Laters

“If Tannehill sucks next year.” Smart man hedging those bets.

[jgb]

50 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

But this thread, my responses, and your quoting of me had nothing to do with 2019. You were wrong two years ago, you were wrong throughout the year, and you’re wrong today. He didn’t win CPOY in 2018. This is seriously the stupidest flex I’ve ever seen. 

I renewed the prediction for 2019. Again implicit condition of any sports prediction is “barring injury.” But if you want to stick to me being wrong for being off a year, how the heck are those who said it was impossible more right?

[jgb]

42 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

He had a good season, I'll give him that. He was on a run first team with an elite offensive line and was a super effective game manager for them. That's probably his ceiling.

Depending on his landing spot next year he could be a pro bowler. I’m sure not many here agree but one thing I can guarantee, if I predict he makes pro bowl many will call me crazy (fine) but then if he does, I will be told that “pro bowl is just a popularity contest” and thus I was actually wrong because he “didn’t actually play at an elite level.” This is how JN moves goal posts rather than just saying “wow nice call I was wrong.”

[jetstream23]

If Tannehill can get to one more AFC Championship Game and lose it then I will have to admit that he's finally as good as Mark Sanchez.

Although, Derrick Henry > Thomas Jones

...and Mike Vrabel > Rex Ryan

[UntouchableCrew]

22 minutes ago, jgb said:

Depending on his landing spot next year he could be a pro bowler. I’m sure not many here agree but one thing I can guarantee, if I predict he makes pro bowl many will call me crazy (fine) but then if he does, I will be told that “pro bowl is just a popularity contest” and thus I was actually wrong because he “didn’t actually play at an elite level.” This is how JN moves goal posts rather than just saying “wow nice call I was wrong.”

So you think he's an elite QB? Would you trade Darnold and sign him to a big contract?

[greenwichjetfan]

38 minutes ago, jgb said:

if you want to stick to me being wrong for being off a year, how the heck are those who said it was impossible more right?

I’m sticking to you being wrong because you foolishly quoted me today to take a victory lap about something you were wrong about. Tannehill winning an annual award in wholly different circumstances and in a completely different year doesn’t validate your 2018 post.

That’s akin to posting in 1998 that Peyton will suck and be out of the league, and then taking victory laps about it in 2016 after he finally has a below average year and promptly retires.

[jgb]

21 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

I’m sticking to you being wrong because you foolishly quoted me today to take a victory lap about something you were wrong about. Tannehill winning an annual award in wholly different circumstances and in a completely different year doesn’t validate your 2018 post.

That’s akin to posting in 1998 that Peyton will suck and be out of the league, and then taking victory laps about it in 2016 after he finally has a below average year and promptly retires.

Oh no I foolishly quoted you. The gall!

Your analogy is awful by the way ? 

[jgb]

46 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

So you think he's an elite QB? Would you trade Darnold and sign him to a big contract?

I think he has the potential to have a few late career boom seasons ala Vinny T only better. No I wouldn’t trade him for a 22 year old Sam Darnold. But I’m a Jet fan all I have is hope.

[jgb]

2 hours ago, slimjasi said:

haha, you mean like you just did 10 minutes ago?

Gotta give you credit, the Tannehill stuff is a clever troll. Did not see this coming. You managed to pick a decidedly mediocre player who was once in the division so you can capitalize on the leftover emotional divisional baggage angle. Very nice touch. 

When you’re right, you are right. All the people saying it was impossible make it all the sweeter.