Matt39 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 36 minutes ago, Jet2020 said: I guess the fake spike cost Don Shula his career. He was banned by the league a year later in 1995 at age 65. The only similar situation you could point to was Schiano rushing Eli when the giants were in victory formation. Coughlin had a fit. But it was a regular season game and they were taking a knee and felt someone could get hurt… there was also no way the Bucs could get the ball back unless the giants fumbled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Bowles had a great year, he should have used the timeout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Jet2020 said: No it’s not. Not 1 out of 5000. Scenario 1: Lions don’t kick a FG. No sane HC would kick a 50 yarder and when you punt from the 33, it’s not easy to pin inside the 10 without risking a touchback. Let’s assume they do pin around the 10 with 28 seconds remaining. The chances of completing two sideline passes against total prevent D are very high. You can reach the 50 yard line with 16 seconds remaining. At that point, it’s still prevent D. I’d aim for another quick 15-20 yard pass. If it’s not there, you aim for the Hail Mary and get two shots at it. But if it’s there and you get the ball at the 30 with 8-10 seconds left, you have a better shot at touchdown than the Jets ever did the whole season Scenario 2: Lions try a 50 yarder and miss. Give up the ball at the 40 with 30 seconds left Against prevent D. Two 15 yard sideline passes against prevent D and you’re already at the Lions 30 with 18 seconds remaining. Another 10 yard pass? 13 seconds remaining? These are high completion passes ‘against prevent D’. Two shots at the EZ from the 20 and I’d take my chances there than not calling a TO and then be second guessing all off season. Miracle? Yeah, but not 1/5000. Definitely nothing you should berate your own team in the playoffs by saying “we did f*ck all, we weren’t capable of scoring, why prolong the inevitable”. Well, you weren’t going to win the SB, why even bother showing up to the playoffs then? Cool story bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, Jet2020 said: No it’s not. Not 1 out of 5000. Scenario 1: Lions don’t kick a FG. No sane HC would kick a 50 yarder and when you punt from the 33, it’s not easy to pin inside the 10 without risking a touchback. Let’s assume they do pin around the 10 with 28 seconds remaining. The chances of completing two sideline passes against total prevent D are very high. You can reach the 50 yard line with 16 seconds remaining. At that point, it’s still prevent D. I’d aim for another quick 15-20 yard pass. If it’s not there, you aim for the Hail Mary and get two shots at it. But if it’s there and you get the ball at the 30 with 8-10 seconds left, you have a better shot at touchdown than the Jets ever did the whole season Scenario 2: Lions try a 50 yarder and miss. Give up the ball at the 40 with 30 seconds left Against prevent D. Two 15 yard sideline passes against prevent D and you’re already at the Lions 30 with 18 seconds remaining. Another 10 yard pass? 13 seconds remaining? These are high completion passes ‘against prevent D’. Two shots at the EZ from the 20 and I’d take my chances there than not calling a TO and then be second guessing all off season. Miracle? Yeah, but not 1/5000. Definitely nothing you should berate your own team in the playoffs by saying “we did f*ck all, we weren’t capable of scoring, why prolong the inevitable”. Well, you weren’t going to win the SB, why even bother showing up to the playoffs then? More scenarios: Whether a FG or punt attempt, it's blocked. Tampa either gets a short field or returns the blocked kick/punt for a TD outright. It can also just be a botched snap leading to the same. They're all low level chances, of course, but the odds of a blocked punt alone are a lot higher than 1/5000. What were the odds of the Joe Flacco Jets winning in Cleveland last September, down by two TDs, on their own 25, with under 2 minutes left on the clock and no timeouts? What were the odds of the lowly Jets - trailing by 3 with 24 seconds left (even against the lowly Giants), with Zach Wilson driving them 60 yards on a wet field and still stopping the clock with no timeouts left? OK that's just the Jets. So did Saleh get kicked out of the "coaching fraternity" for not just kneeling on it in one or both of those scenarios? Nope. Had he taken the timeout, Bowles would be trying to win, and not one person would question it had he done so; not even anyone coming to his defense in this thread. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 36 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: More scenarios: Whether a FG or punt attempt, it's blocked. Tampa either gets a short field or returns the blocked kick/punt for a TD outright. It can also just be a botched snap leading to the same. They're all low level chances, of course, but the odds of a blocked punt alone are a lot higher than 1/5000. What were the odds of the Joe Flacco Jets winning in Cleveland last September, down by two TDs, on their own 25, with under 2 minutes left on the clock and no timeouts? What were the odds of the lowly Jets - trailing by 3 with 24 seconds left (even against the lowly Giants), with Zach Wilson driving them 60 yards on a wet field and still stopping the clock with no timeouts left? OK that's just the Jets. So did Saleh get kicked out of the "coaching fraternity" for not just kneeling on it in one or both of those scenarios? Nope. Had he taken the timeout, Bowles would be trying to win, and not one person would question it had he done so; not even anyone coming to his defense in this thread. Y’all are forgetting negative outcomes are possible. If scoring a TD and a 2 point conversion in 30 seconds was easy all the kids would be doing it If we’re going to project the outcome, player gets tackled in bounds, clock runs out. Bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 22 minutes ago, Larz said: Y’all are forgetting negative outcomes are possible. If scoring a TD and a 2 point conversion in 30 seconds was easy all the kids would be doing it If we’re going to project the outcome, player gets tackled in bounds, clock runs out. Bummer. No one's forgetting that, though, by everyone acknowledging that any victory would've been a low percentage chance. Low chances aren't zero chances, and the only 100% certainty is you can't win if you don't try. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 7 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: No one's forgetting that, though, by everyone acknowledging that any victory would've been a low percentage chance. Low chances aren't zero chances, and the only 100% certainty is you can't win if you don't try. That’s why I posted it’s a bad look 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, Larz said: That’s why I posted it’s a bad look Oh I thought you were taking the other side and I was all excited to argue. Bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexcary32 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 1/25/2024 at 8:46 PM, Sperm Edwards said: More scenarios: Whether a FG or punt attempt, it's blocked. Tampa either gets a short field or returns the blocked kick/punt for a TD outright. It can also just be a botched snap leading to the same. They're all low level chances, of course, but the odds of a blocked punt alone are a lot higher than 1/5000. What were the odds of the Joe Flacco Jets winning in Cleveland last September, down by two TDs, on their own 25, with under 2 minutes left on the clock and no timeouts? What were the odds of the lowly Jets - trailing by 3 with 24 seconds left (even against the lowly Giants), with Zach Wilson driving them 60 yards on a wet field and still stopping the clock with no timeouts left? OK that's just the Jets. So did Saleh get kicked out of the "coaching fraternity" for not just kneeling on it in one or both of those scenarios? Nope. Had he taken the timeout, Bowles would be trying to win, and not one person would question it had he done so; not even anyone coming to his defense in this thread. Thanks for share good informetion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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