NIGHT STALKER Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 The Jets better not do something dumb as indicated in this text...if we do the unthinkable and trade up, it better be for Bush and even that I have a problem with. Then again this is Pro Football Talk where they probably took the same BS classes as Herm. LEINART CAMP TRYING TO PERSUADE TITANS TO TAKE MATT The same source who tipped us off over the weekend to the looming termination of agent Leigh Steinberg by USC quarterback Matt Leinart tells us that the driving force behind the change was the lack of interest that the Titans were demonstrating in the 2004 Heisman winner. The source says that Titans G.M. Floyd Reese is leaning toward Texas quarterback Vince Young, and Titans coach Jeff Fisher and offensive coordinator Norm Chow want Leinart. The source also tells us that Chow recently informed Leinart that Reese won't trade up to the No. 1 overall spot in order to get Leinart. Co-agent Chuck Price, who will remain a member of Team Leinart in the wake of the Steinberg termination, supposedly has told Reese that the failure to land Leinart will be the biggest draft gaffe in team history. Apparently, Reese is now on the fence. Per the source, Leinart will sign with Tom Condon after the five-day waiting period expires following Leinart's termination, and Condon and Price will work together. Condon's pitch, as we recently heard, was that he'll get either the Titans or the Jets to trade up to No. 1 with the Houston Texans. The long-term plan, we're told, is for Price to learn the ropes of the agent business over the next couple of years, with an eye toward being the lead agent for Leinart's second contract. (We suspect that Condon hasn't gotten that memo.) The broader question, as we see it, is whether these goings-on will raise a red flag for any team that otherwise will be interested in Leinart. There's already a question as to whether he has a sufficient passion for the pro game. And his pro day workout was hardly a show stopper. So by trying to force his way into the No. 1 spot, the risk could be that Leinart slides even lower than he otherwise might have gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Trade the #4 and the bbq grill that herm left behind for the #1. Thats the best I'd offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 this is what very well could happen 1) Bush 2) Brick 3) Williams/Young 4) Williams/Ngata/Hawk/Cutler/Davis (anyone but Leinart) let him go to OAK he'll be happier and more sucessful in CA in the long run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 this is what very well could happen 1) Bush 2) Brick 3) Williams/Young 4) Williams/Ngata/Hawk/Cutler/Davis (anyone but Leinart) let him go to OAK he'll be happier and more sucessful in CA in the long run Don't be surprised if Mangini grabs Ngata at #4. That would solidify the 3-4 for many years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Bit, how would you feel about the Jets taking the Duke at 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Don't be surprised if Mangini grabs Ngata at #4. That would solidify the 3-4 for many years to come. PatsFanTX suggesting we take another DT at pick number 4- is he setting us up for more material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 PatsFanTX suggesting we take another DT at pick number 4- is he setting us up for more material I was waiting for somebody (I thought it would be bit) to bring that up. Actually, the two players are totally different. Ngata is a pure NT while DFat isn't. Come to think of it, I have know idea what DFat actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CluJet Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 I think DRob would be better suited to play the end in a 34. Ellis, Ngata, DRob is a solid down line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Tx, haven't you learned anything yet? If Bit says do not draft him that means TRADE UP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Tx, haven't you learned anything yet? If Bit says do not draft him that means TRADE UP. :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Condon is going to "get" teams to trade to #1 to nab Leinart now? When did he become GM? Why on god's name would you trade to get to #1, and then deal with Condon's outrageous contract demands? Personally, I'd rather deal with another agent, and only deal with Condon and other agent's when I'm desperate for a proven player. I'm still not sure why Dallas dealt with Rosenhaus and TO, I don't think anyone else was willing to offer even half of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Don't be surprised if Mangini grabs Ngata at #4. That would solidify the 3-4 for many years to come. I've been saying this for some time now. If the Jets get Ngata or Bunkley they would have an unbelivable front 7. There is no doubt in my mind they are eyeing one of these two. Ideally, they would like to trade down to the #7 or #9 spot and pick up an extra pick if possible. If not, I agree they will not be afraid to pull the pin at #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 I've been saying this for some time now. If the Jets get Ngata or Bunkley they would have an unbelivable front 7. There is no doubt in my mind they are eyeing one of these two. Ideally, they would like to trade down to the #7 or #9 spot and pick up an extra pick if possible. If not, I agree they will not be afraid to pull the pin at #4. That right there is the ideal situation. Trade down, pick up an additional 2nd or high 3rd rounder and grab Ngata. The Jets have a ton of options with the #4 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 To me the Jets draft mentality will be very similar to what the Patriots do. They will not become enamored with one player, like Bradway did with Robertson, and give up valuable picks in the early rounds. The Pats I believe traded down once in the late 1st round, however, they have an amazing capacity to collect future #3, #4 picks themselves by trading down. The Jets have too many needs to become infatuated by a star. I also feel they have a relatively low premium on players like Williams aka Abraham. Shore up the middle and you can send a variety of blitz packages - the keys are not necessarily the athleticsm of the blitzer to make it work, but rather the mismatches that are created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Trade the #4 and the bbq grill that herm left behind for the #1. Thats the best I'd offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Brick / Williams / Ngata / Hawk / Leinart Anybody else @ 4 would be a reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Trade down, pick up an additional 2nd or high 3rd rounder and grab Ngata. That would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Brick / Williams / Ngata / Hawk / Leinart Anybody else @ 4 would be a reach. No Cutler Smizz? Hawk and Leinart would also be a huge mistake at #4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 No Cutler Smizz? Hawk and Leinart would also be a huge mistake at #4. Why reach at 4? Brick/Williams/ would be option 1 & 2....If they are both gone is Ngata or do everything in my power to trade down. Everything else at 4 is a reach. I don't want Leinart or Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberjet Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Agree - no Cutler, no Lienart , no Young. They all have too much bust factor for a large investment. NGATA (don't count out Bunkley) is the choice. QB comes in the 3rd round: Pennington-Ramsey-Whitehurst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 No Cutler Smizz? Hawk and Leinart would also be a huge mistake at #4. I think Marvin Jones was taken at 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinnys025 Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 In today's NFL there is no time to groom high priced high profile QB's anymore with free agency frenzies. Pass on any possible QB and find one in the later rounds or stick with Ramsey or give Penny boy one last hurrah. This is what will happen, Mangini isnt going to draft a franchise QB, its not his style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Bit, how would you feel about the Jets taking the Duke at 4? Certainly a visionary pick. since GJ&H endorsed it, i took another look and can see the case for it - it's not a reach the player carries top 5 value on skillset alone. They say his blocking isn't great but he's got #1 WR measurables in a TE frame, i don't care if they have to stand him off the line the dude runs a 4.3 he should be fine. The problem here is of positional scarcity, need and just plain conventional wisdom. Tangini can't take the highest TE ever in the history of the draft with their first pick it's too much. It could happen and if it did I wouldn't cry but it won't happen. alot of bad JETS TE first round mojo over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy 2 Times Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Bad Karma is right. The guy could be a Hall of Fame player in 31 uniforms. Put on ours, and he's a bust, injury, forgets how to catch, and/or head case waiting to happen. Pass on the TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phinsuck Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Don't be surprised if Mangini grabs Ngata at #4. That would solidify the 3-4 for many years to come. Ngata is certainly a possibility. I agree with Bill Parcells' planet theory regarding large DT's. If we team up Ngata with Robertson at the base of a 4-3 teams will have a very tough time running against us. I would go Cutler, Ngata or Vernon Davis at 4. No Vince Young or Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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