Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, BurntDice said: What did I say that is incorrect? Ok I no talk to you no more you da winner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 If the draft falls a certain way it could choice of 4th tackle vs Bowers vs best defensive player in the draft. I know what our loser HC will want to do. In terms of Bowers we really need to know the important questions like: "is he quicker than fast" "is he a height weight speed guy" "is he a waist bender" "is he a unicorn" "is he a willing blocker" etc... Actually if Bowers was considered a slot only WR would he be the 4th rated WR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Ok I no talk to you no more you da winner Winning has nothing to do with anything. You have yet to bring up something that proves why he’s a better pick than a wr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Larz said: Mahomes without kelce early in the year looked like Zach But now all TEs don’t make an impact. k So keep Zach and add Bowers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 5 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Winning has nothing to do with anything. You have yet to bring up something that proves why he’s a better pick than a wr. Ask Andy Reid why it’s kinda cool to have a good tight end even if you have ugazz at receiver . You keep taking about football like it’s five on five two hand touch with a giver. Ask the Niners how valuable Kittle is. Or the Lions with one good receiver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 17 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Ask Andy Reid why it’s kinda cool to have a good tight end even if you have ugazz at receiver . You keep taking about football like it’s five on five two hand touch with a giver. Ask the Niners how valuable Kittle is. Or the Lions with one good receiver. You know there’s a way to prove how valuable a team thinks of a player right? It’s called salary. Kittle is paid 8 mil aav less than Deebo. He will also be paid less than Ayuik if they can sign him. this makes drafting a WR that much more valuable to have on a rookie deal yet again you dodge answering any questions. This is because you have no answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said: @Maxman if we end up drafting Brock Bowers and he busts, does @Lith lose mod privileges? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 hours ago, AFJF said: The Bowers conversation is like beating a dead horse at this point. Most folks are pretty dug in on whether or not they want him. But as one recurring narrative I've seen this week seems to be "he can't work down the field and relied on the screen game" Because not everyone has the time to sit down and watch hours upon hours of college football, I put together his downfield targets and a few carries out of the backfield as well. Nice job here Glenn. So many contested catches down the field. Good to see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 20 minutes ago, BurntDice said: You know there’s a way to prove how valuable a team thinks of a player right? It’s called salary. Kittle is paid 8 mill aav less than Deebo. He will also be paid less than Ayuik if they can sign him. this makes drafting a WR that much more valuable to have on a rookie deal If you’re drafting a guy that will change your offense like Bowers would then what does the salary savings matter? The reason that TEs get paid less is because there are less good ones to reset the market with each successive contract. Most are just serviceable. Christian McCafferys salary is 16 mil per year Jerry Jeudy makes 17.5 Whos more valuable? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: If you’re drafting a guy that will change your offense like Bowers would then what does the salary savings matter? The reason that TEs get paid less is because there are less good ones to reset the market with each successive contract. Most are just serviceable. No. The reason they are paid less is because they have less VALUE. what they are paid = their value. The difference between a serviceable TE and a great one is not that far off. The best TEs get 1k yards and 6 tds (Kittle). the best WRs get 1750 yards and 13tds (Hill). That’s almost twice the production. Do you see how this is more VALUABLE? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, BurntDice said: No. The reason they are paid less is because they have less VALUE. what they are paid = their value. The difference between a serviceable TE and a great one is not that far off. The best TEs get 1k yards and 6 tds (Kittle). the best WRs get 1750 yards and 13tds (Hill). Do you see how this is more VALUABLE? You keep talking about receiving yards like that’s the be all and end all. I said I no talk to you no more I’m tired 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 minute ago, Gastineau Lives said: You keep talking about receiving yards like that’s the be all and end all. I said I no talk to you no more I’m tired Ok I guess you’re right about the I win thing. Cya 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, BurntDice said: Ok I guess you’re right about the I win thing. Cya Go talk to Andy Reid about how valuable Travis Kelce is so he can laugh in your ******* face 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, Gastineau Lives said: Go talk to Andy Reid about how valuable Travis Kelce is so he can laugh in your ******* face Didn’t we go over this already? Kelce value is 14 mil. This matches his 1k yards 5td production. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Didn’t we go over this already? Kelce value is 14 mil. This matches his 1k yards 5td production. How ******* stupid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: How ******* stupid It’s this hard for to you accept the facts huh? Everything is pointing in my direction. You have nothing to back up your stance. Responses like this are a clear sign of defeat. Just go to bed and try to wake up as a better person than the day before. Maybe in a year or so you’ll be strong enough to admit when you are wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, BurntDice said: It’s this hard for to you accept the facts huh? Everything is pointing in my direction. You have nothing to back up your stance. Responses like this are a clear sign of defeat. Just go to bed and try to wake up as a better person than the day before. Maybe in a year or so you’ll be strong enough to admit when you are wrong By your logic you’d rather have Jerry Jeudy on your team than Christian McCaffery because hE mAkEs mORe mOnEyS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: By your logic you’d rather have Jerry Jeudy on your team than Christian McCaffery because hE mAkEs mORe mOnEyS There are of course nuances to this as there are with everything. Jeudy was overpaid based on his production. Teams do slip up sometimes and do stupid things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 9 minutes ago, BurntDice said: There are of course nuances to this as there are with everything. Jeudy was overpaid based on his production. Teams do slip up sometimes and do stupid things. No, he’s paid the way he is because of all the previous WRs getting shiny new contracts. No matter how good a tight end is, there are so few great ones that the franchise tag number will stay low so they either sign a cheaper contract or kick rocks and get tagged. Look on the bright side. We draft Bowers and have a game changing offensive piece that we still can get away with on the cheap so we can resign Garrett Wilson to whatever freaking number he’s gonna wind up getting and not worry about spending 60 mil per on Odunze and him or losing one of them or someone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 5 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: No, he’s paid the way he is because of all the previous WRs getting shiny new contracts. No matter how good a tight end is, there are so few great ones that the franchise tag number will stay low so they either sign a cheaper contract or kick rocks and get tagged. Look on the bright side. We draft Bowers and have a game changing offensive piece that we still can get away with on the cheap so we can resign Garrett Wilson to whatever freaking number he’s gonna wind up getting and not worry about spending 60 mil per on Odunze and him or losing one of them. I think you are missing the point entirely. WRs out produce TEs by a wide margain (which is why they are paid more) . This is why they aren’t drafted high. The best TEs barely crack 1k yards and 5 tds. For WRs this isn’t that hard to achieve. Trading up and nabbing Nabers will have a much larger impact than drafting Bowers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 minute ago, BurntDice said: I think you are missing the point entirely. WRs out produce TEs by a wide margain (which is why they are paid more) . This is why they aren’t drafted high. The best TEs barely crack 1k yards and 5 tds. For WRs this isn’t that hard to achieve. Trading up and nabbing Nabers will have a much larger impact than drafting Bowers. If you factor in blocking they do not out produce TEs. Oh now you’re going to trade up for a player you’re probably only going to have, if he’s the awesome awesome, for one contract? That’s cool. Bowers would be just as valuable on his own plus since TEs are so cheap and invaluable, we’d probably have him for more than one contract. Kelce - lifelong chief Witten - Cowboy Gronk- Pat (until Brady lured him over to Bucs) Kittle - Niners These guys tend to stay with one organization for most of their careers and are part of consistently good offenses. It’s very hard to keep two amazing receivers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 7 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: If you factor in blocking they do not out produce TEs. Oh now you’re going to trade up for a player you’re probably only going to have, if he’s the awesome awesome, for one contract? That’s cool. Bowers would be just as valuable on his own plus since TEs are so cheap and invaluable, we’d probably have him for more than one contract. Kelce - lifelong chief Witten - Cowboy Gronk- Pat (until Brady lured him over to Bucs) Kittle - Niners These guys tend to stay with one organization for most of their careers and are part of consistently good offenses. It’s very hard to keep two amazing receivers. Trading up for a WR who coming out is better than GW was? Yes sign me up for that. 5 years under team control at a reasonable contract? A-Ok in my book. Williams is only under contract for this year. GW and Nabers can both play inside or out which is a dangerous combo. The goal is to go all in with Rodgers right? Having 3 very good receivers to throw to will help immensely + Breece and Conklin? That’s probably the best weapons in the league. Bowers is NOT as valuable as Nabers smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 10 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Trading up for a WR who coming out is better than GW was? Yes sign me up for that. 5 years under team control at a reasonable contract? A-Ok in my book. Williams is only under contract for this year. GW and Nabers can both play inside or out which is a dangerous combo. The goal is to go all in with Rodgers right? Having 3 very good receivers to throw to will help immensely + Breece and Conklin? That’s probably the best weapons in the league. Bowers is NOT as valuable as Nabers smh You can smh all you ****jng want. You’re wrong. Back to your other point: Christian McCaffery was third in MVP voting There are twenty WRs getting paid more than him. Also, Keice had seasons of: HOW MUCH WAS HE GETTING PAID? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: You can smh all you ****jng want. You’re wrong. Back to your other point: Christian McCaffery was third in MVP voting There are twenty WRs getting paid more than him. Also, Keice had seasons of: HOW MUCH WAS HE GETTING PAID? RBs don’t get paid much so that’s expected. I’ll bet you that nabers has more yards/tds than bowers year 1 barring serious injury to either one. You should be pretty confident in this right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 5 hours ago, BurntDice said: You assume. you also can’t refute anything that I’m saying. It’s a FACT that WR is a more valuable position. It’s a FACT that you can find TEs on the scrap heap that can perform average. TE is an easily replaceable position. @T0mShane provided a good stat that the #1 TE had as many yards as the #24 WR. you should learn to just accept that your opinion on this subject can be wrong, and Bowers may not be a good pick here DE is a more valuable position than CB. So screw it let’s get rid of Sauce, Reed and MC2. See how dumb that sounds? Just bc I certain position is more valuable. That doesn’t mean you can get elite talent there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 minute ago, Bobby816 said: DE is a more valuable position than CB. So screw it let’s get rid of Sauce, Reed and MC2. See how dumb that sounds? Just bc I certain position is more valuable. That doesn’t mean you can get elite talent there. Both DE and CB are premium positions. Good attempt though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, BurntDice said: Both DE and CB are premium positions. Good attempt though And a TE used like a WR is premium. Are LaPorta, Andrews, Kelce, Kittle not premium players? OG ya and those just happened to be the last 4 teams standing lasts years TEs. Where they were drafted doesn’t matter. Reed and Carter were both 5th rounders for example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: And a TE used like a WR is premium. Are LaPorta, Andrews, Kelce, Kittle not premium players? OG ya and those just happened to be the last 4 teams standing lasts years TEs. Where they were drafted doesn’t matter. Reed and Carter were both 5th rounders for example. Andrews had 500 yards last year. Premium mhmm No it’s not. I’m not going to explain it again look at my responses to@Gastineau Lives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 17 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Andrews had 500 yards last year. Premium mhmm No it’s not. I’m not going to explain it again look at my responses to@Gastineau Lives He was injured. Just stop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Kelly2Allen18 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 5 hours ago, BurntDice said: You know there’s a way to prove how valuable a team thinks of a player right? It’s called salary. Kittle is paid 8 mil aav less than Deebo. He will also be paid less than Ayuik if they can sign him. this makes drafting a WR that much more valuable to have on a rookie deal yet again you dodge answering any questions. This is because you have no answers Kittle isn't Kelce. Stop pretending it's the same when it's not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83Kelly2Allen18 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I keep telling ppl Kincaid is why the bills told Diggs to kick rocks. That Kincaid had taken over diggs number one spot. Bowers is better than Kincaid imo because he can do everything Kincaid can do but he's a step faster. Why we wouldn't want that type of transformational weapon is beyond me. We aren't drafting a te, we would be drafting a faster Travis Kelce 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, Bobby816 said: He was injured. Just stop How about 2022 with 847? That’s what I call ELITE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, 83Kelly2Allen18 said: Kittle isn't Kelce. Stop pretending it's the same when it's not What are you talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuzzardman Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Feels like I read 2 pages of people arguing with someone on the spectrum 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 6 hours ago, Gastineau Lives said: You can smh all you ****jng want. You’re wrong. Back to your other point: Christian McCaffery was third in MVP voting There are twenty WRs getting paid more than him. Also, Keice had seasons of: HOW MUCH WAS HE GETTING PAID? This is the risk of this pick. In order for drafting a TE this high to work, he needs to play at all time great levels right out of the box. That’s your comp, all the greatest TEs who ever played. Meanwhile, a WR or OT taken at the same spot would be a successful pick if they become solid or better starters. If Bowers is just simply a pretty good player rather than the best ever, the kind of thing that often happens with high picks, it’s a blown selection. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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