All-time team with a wrinkle, 2024 version: 1 rep from each team

[Jetsfan80]

5 hours ago, slimjasi said:

Edited! 
 

Even after reading the rules carefully (lol), This was pretty challenging. My strategy was to have at least one legit GOAT candidate at every positional group (spread the wealth) and do the best you can to fill in the gaps - and wanted all GOATs at QB, WR, all OL, and either DE or CB (it was easier to nail CB the way I had it constructed - Watt would not be my first choice for DE2)

Who else can you choose from Houston other than Watt though?  Hopkins/Andre Johnson?  

[PS17]

6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Problem for me was I had a hard time filling the Colts spot with anyone other than Peyton.  KC had quite a few solid options.  

I’ll gladly sacrifice quality at other positions to get the best QB ever.

[Jetsfan80]

18 minutes ago, PS17 said:

I’ll gladly sacrifice quality at other positions to get the best QB ever.

Peyton is the 2nd/ 3rd best QB I’ve ever seen at worst, so I see it as negligible.  Peyton propped up a lowkey pretty lousy franchise for a long time.

[arsenal89]

This is a fun exercise

QB: Tom Brady (Patriots)

RB: Jim Brown (Browns)

FB: Larry Csonka (Dolphins)

WR: Jerry Rice (49ers)

WR: Randy Moss (Vikings)

TE: Tony Gonzalez (Chiefs)

LT: Anthony Munoz (Bengals)

LG: Larry Allen (Cowboys)

OC: Bruce Matthews (Titans/Oilers) 

RG: Gene Upshaw (Raiders)

RT: Tony Boselli (Jaguars)

WR3: Larry Fitzgerald (Cardinals)

RB2: Ladainian Tomlinson (Chargers)

TE2: John Mackey (Colts)

 

DE: Reggie White (Eagles)

DT: Mean Joe Greene (Steelers)

DT: Aaron Donald (Rams)

DE: Bruce Smith (Bills)

OLB: Lawrence Taylor (Giants)

MLB: Dick Butkus (Bears)

OLB: Derrick Brooks (Bucs)

CB: Darrelle Revis (Jets)

CB: Dick Lane (Lions)

FS: Ed Reed (Ravens)

SS: Ken Houston (Redskins)

CB3: Champ Bailey (Broncos)

MLB/ILB #2: Luke Keuchkly (Panthers)

NT: Cortez Kennedy (Seahawks)

 

Returner: Deion Sanders (Falcons)

Kicker: Morten Andersen (Saints)

Punter: Shane Lechler (Texans)

Head Coach: Vince Lombardi (Packers)

[slimjasi]

15 hours ago, PS17 said:

I’ll gladly sacrifice quality at other positions to get the best QB ever.

The best QB ever is highly debatable. Mahomes definitely has the best first 7 years ever, no question. If he continues on this pace, he’ll widely be considered the GOAT when he retires, but that’s still a huge IF. 
 

Either way, I agree with @Jetsfan80that the difference at the top is negligible. If you are building a team starting with any of prime Brady, Mahomes, Manning, Montana, Rodgers, Marino, or Elway,  you are in amazing shape at QB. It can be argued that it makes sense to sacrifice your top QB for getting your top pick at other positions to build an overall “better” team. 

[PS17]

20 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

The best QB ever is highly debatable. Mahomes definitely has the best first 7 years ever, no question. If he continues on this pace, he’ll widely be considered the GOAT when he retires, but that’s still a huge IF. 
 

Either way, I agree with @Jetsfan80that the difference at the top is negligible. If you are building a team starting with any of prime Brady, Mahomes, Manning, Montana, Rodgers, Marino, or Elway,  you are in amazing shape at QB. It can be argued that it makes sense to sacrifice your top QB for getting your top pick at other positions to build an overall “better” team. 

Regardless of career longevity, Mahomes is the best I’ve seen. But good points nonetheless. 

[Jetsfan80]

Attempt # 3 (changes in blue):

 

Head Coach:  Don Shula (Dolphins)

Offense

• QB:  Peyton Manning (Colts)
• RB:  Barry Sanders (Lions)
• RB:  Christian McCaffrey (Panthers)
• FB:  Jim Brown (Browns)
• WR:  Jerry Rice (49ers)
• WR:  Randy Moss (Vikings)
• WR:  Larry Fitzgerald (Cardinals)
• TE:  Tony Gonzalez (Chiefs)
• TE:  TE Jimmy Graham (Saints)
• LT:  Anthony Munoz (Bengals)
• LG:  Larry Allen (Cowboys)
• C :  Jim Otto (Raiders)
• RG:  Bruce Matthews (Titans)
• RT:  Forrest Gregg (Packers)

Defense

• DE/EDGE:  Reggie White (Eagles)
• 3-4 DE:  J.J. Watt (Texans)
• 4-3 DT:  Aaron Donald (Rams)
• 4-3 DT:  Warren Sapp (Buccaneers)
• NT:  Ted Washington (Bills)
• OLB/EDGE:  Lawrence Taylor (Giants)
• OLB:  Junior Seau (Chargers)
• ILB:  Ray Lewis (Ravens)
• MLB:  Mike Singletary (Bears)
• CB:  Deion Sanders (Falcons)
• CB:  Ty Law (Patriots)
• CB:  Darrelle Revis (Jets) 
• FS:  Earl Thomas (Seahawks)
• SS:  Troy Polamalu (Steelers)

Special Teams

• KR/PR:  Rick Upchurch (Broncos)
• K:  Josh Scobee (Jaguars)
• P:  Sammy Baugh (Commanders)

[Claymation]

[Smashmouth]

On 6/27/2024 at 6:10 PM, Jetsfan80 said:

The lull of the offseason leads us back to my favorite NFL-related exercise:  Picking your all-time team....but with a caveat.  Each team only gets one representative.

The rules:

1. Pick 32 players for your squad (14 offense, 14 defense, 1 Returner, 1 Kicker, 1 Punter, 1 Head Coach) from any era in NFL history.
2. Only 1 player for each team can be selected.  Each team representative needs to have spent at minimum 3 prime years with that team.
3. Your offense must consist of:  1 QB, 2 RBs, 1 Fullback, 3 WRs, 2 TEs, 1 Left Tackle, 2 Guards, 1 Center and 1 Right Tackle
4. Your defense must consist of:  2 DEs/EDGE's, 2 DTs, 1 Nose Tackle, 2 OLBs, 2 ILB/MLBs, 3 CBs, 1 FS and 1 SS

If we get enough entries, perhaps we can vote on who did it best?

 

This would be an example of a team, which I created (not necessarily my best work but I'd re-work it as needed):

 

Head Coach:  Andy Reid (Chiefs)

Offense

• QB:  Peyton Manning (Colts)
• RB:  Walter Payton (Bears)
• RB:  Earl Campbell (Titans)
• FB:  Jim Brown (Browns)
• WR:  Jerry Rice (49ers)
• WR:  Randy Moss (Vikings)
• WR:  Calvin Johnson (Lions)
• TE:  Antonio Gates (Chargers)
• TE:  Shannon Sharpe (Broncos)
• LT:  Tony Boselli (Jaguars)
• LG:  John Hannah (Patriots)
• C :  Kevin Mawae (Jets)
• RG:  Jahri Evans (Saints)
• RT:  Willie Anderson (Bengals)

Defense

• DE/EDGE:  Lawrence Taylor (Giants)
• DE:  J.J. Watt (Texans)
• DT:  Aaron Donald (Rams)
• DT:  Bob Lilly (Cowboys)
• NT:  Ted Washington (Bills)
• OLB:  Derrick Brooks (Buccaneers)
• OLB:  Jack Ham (Steelers)
• ILB:  Ray Lewis (Ravens)
• MLB:  Zach Thomas (Dolphins)
• CB:  Charles Woodson (Packers)
• CB:  Aeneas Williams (Cardinals)
• CB:  Richard Sherman (Seahawks)
• FS:  Brian Dawkins (Eagles)
• SS:  Ken Houston (Commanders)

Special Teams

• KR/PR:  Deion Sanders (Falcons)
• K:  John Kasay (Panthers)
• P:  Shane Lechler (Raiders)

Joe Klecko

[Smashmouth]

On 7/1/2024 at 4:54 PM, Jetsfan80 said:

Attempt # 3 (changes in blue):

 

Head Coach:  Don Shula (Dolphins)

Offense

• QB:  Peyton Manning (Colts)
• RB:  Barry Sanders (Lions)
• RB:  Christian McCaffrey (Panthers)
• FB:  Jim Brown (Browns)
• WR:  Jerry Rice (49ers)
• WR:  Randy Moss (Vikings)
• WR:  Larry Fitzgerald (Cardinals)
• TE:  Tony Gonzalez (Chiefs)
• TE:  TE Jimmy Graham (Saints)
• LT:  Anthony Munoz (Bengals)
• LG:  Larry Allen (Cowboys)
• C :  Jim Otto (Raiders)
• RG:  Bruce Matthews (Titans)
• RT:  Forrest Gregg (Packers)

Defense

• DE/EDGE:  Reggie White (Eagles)
• 3-4 DE:  J.J. Watt (Texans)
• 4-3 DT:  Aaron Donald (Rams)
• 4-3 DT:  Warren Sapp (Buccaneers)
• NT:  Ted Washington (Bills)
• OLB/EDGE:  Lawrence Taylor (Giants)
• OLB:  Junior Seau (Chargers)
• ILB:  Ray Lewis (Ravens)
• MLB:  Mike Singletary (Bears)
• CB:  Deion Sanders (Falcons)
• CB:  Ty Law (Patriots)
• CB:  Darrelle Revis (Jets) 
• FS:  Earl Thomas (Seahawks)
• SS:  Troy Polamalu (Steelers)

Special Teams

• KR/PR:  Rick Upchurch (Broncos)
• K:  Josh Scobee (Jaguars)
• P:  Sammy Baugh (Commanders)

Mike F'in sINGELTARY ?? He's not even the best LB in bears history maybe not even in their top 3 . How does Walter Payton not make this list ?

[Smashmouth]

On 6/30/2024 at 3:09 PM, Jetsfan80 said:

Who else can you choose from Houston other than Watt though?  Hopkins/Andre Johnson?  

Houston Oilers in this equasion ? Billy White Shoes Johnson kick Returner Earl Campbell RB, Bubba Smith DL

[Smashmouth]

7 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Mike F'in sINGELTARY ?? He's not even the best LB in bears history maybe not even in their top 3 . How does Walter Payton not make this list ?

 

4 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Houston Oilers in this equasion ? Billy White Shoes Johnson kick Returner Earl Campbell RB, Bubba Smith DL

80 after going back I noticed you did count Earl and Walter in a previous list. 

[Jetsfan80]

16 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Houston Oilers in this equasion ? Billy White Shoes Johnson kick Returner Earl Campbell RB, Bubba Smith DL

I was talking about the Texans.  Oilers/Titans are of course separate from the Texans.  If you choose an Oiler, that’s your Titans entry. 

[Jetsfan80]

28 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Mike F'in sINGELTARY ?? He's not even the best LB in bears history maybe not even in their top 3 . How does Walter Payton not make this list ?

He was a 7x first team all-pro (2 more than Butkus) and the MLB for the GOAT defense.  What are you taking about?  lol.  But fine, go ahead and stick Butkus in there and keep the rest of the team the same.  

It’s easy to criticize the decisions…especially at RB…until it’s time to do a team of your own.  I’d love to have Sweetness without weakening other spots but it’s tricky.  

[THE BARON]

Swap out the following

DE: Mark Gastineau 

If you go to a 34, add Kris Jenkins as the NT

Offense: 

QB: Brady

TE: Gonzales 

WR: Swap out Moss and add Megatron

 

[HessStation]

I just destroyed everybody in this game. It’s over what did I win?
 

Head Coach:  Vince Lombardi (Packers)

Offense

• QB:  Dan Marino (Dolphins)
• RB:  Barry Sanders (Lions)
• RB:  Bo Jackson (Raiders) 
• FB:  Jim Brown (Browns)
• WR:  Jerry Rice (49ers)
• WR:  Randy Moss (Vikings)
• WR:  Marvin Harrison (Colts)
• TE:  Antonio Gates (Chargers)
• TE:  Jimmy Graham (Saints) 
• LT:  Anthony Munoz (Bengals) 
• LG:  Larry Allen (Cowboys) 
• C :   Dan Dierdorf (Cardinals)
• RG:  Bruce Matthews (Titans)
• RT:  Walter Jones (Seahawks)

Defense

• DE/EDGE:  Lawrence Taylor (Giants)
• DE:  Bruce Smith (Bills)
• DT:  Aaron Donald (Rams)
• DT:  Reggie White (Packers) 
• NT:  Vince Wilfork (Patriots) 
• OLB:  Derrick Thomas (Chiefs) 
• OLB:  Derrick Brooks (Buccaneers) 
• ILB:  Ray Lewis (Ravens)
• MLB: Mike Singletary (Bears)
• CB:  Deion Sanders (Falcons)
• CB:  Darelle Revis (Jets)
• CB:  Champ Bailey (Broncos)
• FS:  Brian Dawkins (Eagles)
• SS:  Troy Palamalu (Steelers)

Special Teams

• K:  John Kasay (Panthers)
• P:  Shane Lechler (Texans)

[Smashmouth]

11 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

He was a 7x first team all-pro (2 more than Butkus) and the MLB for the GOAT defense.  What are you taking about?  lol.  But fine, go ahead and stick Butkus in there and keep the rest of the team the same.  

It’s easy to criticize the decisions…especially at RB…until it’s time to do a team of your own.  I’d love to have Sweetness without weakening other spots but it’s tricky.  

I hear ya Im just not a big Singletary fan I think he was way over rated ...Yes he was a damn good LB but a lot of those first team all pros were based on earlier seasons.  There were better players out there when he played IMO And yeah I agree theres a tricky balabce to making one of these lists/teams

[Jetsfan80]

9 hours ago, HessStation said:

I just destroyed everybody in this game. It’s over what did I win?
 

Head Coach:  Vince Lombardi (Packers)

Offense

• QB:  Dan Marino (Dolphins)
• RB:  Barry Sanders (Lions)
• RB:  Bo Jackson (Raiders) 
• FB:  Jim Brown (Browns)
• WR:  Jerry Rice (49ers)
• WR:  Randy Moss (Vikings)
• WR:  Marvin Harrison (Colts)
• TE:  Antonio Gates (Chargers)
• TE:  Jimmy Graham (Saints) 
• LT:  Anthony Munoz (Bengals) 
• LG:  Larry Allen (Cowboys) 
• C :   Dan Dierdorf (Cardinals)
• RG:  Bruce Matthews (Titans)
• RT:  Walter Jones (Seahawks)

Defense

• DE/EDGE:  Lawrence Taylor (Giants)
• DE:  Bruce Smith (Bills)
• DT:  Aaron Donald (Rams)
• DT:  Reggie White (Packers) 
• NT:  Vince Wilfork (Patriots) 
• OLB:  Derrick Thomas (Chiefs) 
• OLB:  Derrick Brooks (Buccaneers) 
• ILB:  Ray Lewis (Ravens)
• MLB: Mike Singletary (Bears)
• CB:  Deion Sanders (Falcons)
• CB:  Darelle Revis (Jets)
• CB:  Champ Bailey (Broncos)
• FS:  Brian Dawkins (Eagles)
• SS:  Troy Palamalu (Steelers)

Special Teams

• K:  John Kasay (Panthers)
• P:  Shane Lechler (Texans)

Sticking Walter Jones at RT and Reggie White at DT is a bit of a cheat code.  Oh, and Lechler didn’t join the Texans till he was 37, lol.  But I’ll allow it!

[HessStation]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Sticking Walter Jones at RT and Reggie White at DT is a bit of a cheat code.  Oh, and Lechler didn’t join the Texans till he was 37, lol.  But I’ll allow it!

Read the rules bro

[HessStation]

2 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

I hear ya Im just not a big Singletary fan I think he was way over rated ...Yes he was a damn good LB but a lot of those first team all pros were based on earlier seasons.  There were better players out there when he played IMO And yeah I agree theres a tricky balabce to making one of these lists/teams

I think Mike Singletary is underrated. By a wide margin the best pure Mike imo. 
Tenacity, Tackling, Awareness and Leadership he’s very top of the list. Granted I was a kid but his impact was felt like no other at the position….I’m excluding 34ILBs from this list. 

 

[Matt39]

Players who should be on every team:

Donald

Reed

Rice

LT

[HessStation]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

Players who should be on every team:

Donald

Reed

Rice

LT

Ray Lewis is too good to have Ed Reed unfortunately imo.  And then you could technically even put Deion at CB for the Ravens too. And then even if Ed Reed was 3 yrs Jets, Revis is the top dawg for this game. 

[Maxman]

Damn you guys are good. This thread deserves a bump. I won't venture a lineup of my own but I am enjoying these.

[greenwichjetfan]

On 7/4/2024 at 12:58 PM, HessStation said:

Ray Lewis is too good to have Ed Reed unfortunately imo.  And then you could technically even put Deion at CB for the Ravens too. And then even if Ed Reed was 3 yrs Jets, Revis is the top dawg for this game. 

I’d take Ed Reed as my Raven over Lewis. Deion did not have 3 prime years as a raven and would disqualify. And I think the gap between Reed and the next FS is wider than the gaps above and below Lewis at MLB.

[32EBoozer]

On 6/28/2024 at 9:46 AM, rangerous said:

barry sanders should be one of running backs.

This!! On this team of All World defensive players and OL I’d love to see Barry run!

[HessStation]

On 7/5/2024 at 5:00 PM, greenwichjetfan said:

I’d take Ed Reed as my Raven over Lewis. Deion did not have 3 prime years as a raven and would disqualify. And I think the gap between Reed and the next FS is wider than the gaps above and below Lewis at MLB.

I take this exercise as the player all time not when they played for the team, as long as it’s 3 yrs. There’s a good list of 34 ILBs, Seau, Willis, Urlacher maybe…who else am I missing though. 
 

To me Dawkins is on Reed’s level and there actually isn’t really that strong a list of all time Eagles surprisingly especially when Reggie can be a Packer. I guess TO, maybe Kelce at C

[HessStation]

On 7/5/2024 at 7:41 PM, 32EBoozer said:

This!! On this team of All World defensive players and OL I’d love to see Barry run!

Check my team. Its crazy so much better

[Jetsfan80]

16 hours ago, HessStation said:

I take this exercise as the player all time not when they played for the team, as long as it’s 3 yrs. There’s a good list of 34 ILBs, Seau, Willis, Urlacher maybe…who else am I missing though. 
 

To me Dawkins is on Reed’s level and there actually isn’t really that strong a list of all time Eagles surprisingly especially when Reggie can be a Packer. I guess TO, maybe Kelce at C

I love Dawkins, but cmon.  Dawkins never had a season with more than 4 INTs.  Reed had five seasons with 7+.  

I know Free Safeties do more than ball hawking but when it comes to a FS doing FS things best, Reed was worlds better.  

Throw in what he did with the ball AFTER he picked it off and your argument kinda becomes laughable my guy.  He had 7 TDs plus a lot of long INT returns that advanced the ball deep into opposing territory.  Dawkins had 2.  

[HessStation]

2 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

I love Dawkins, but cmon.  Dawkins never had a season with more than 4 INTs.  Reed had five seasons with 7+.  

I know Free Safeties do more than ball hawking but when it comes to a FS doing FS things best, Reed was worlds better.  

Throw in what he did with the ball AFTER he picked it off and your argument kinda becomes laughable my guy.  He had 7 TDs plus a lot of long INT returns that advanced the ball deep into opposing territory.  Dawkins had 2.  

I think Reed, Lewis and Deion were all best at their position so it’s more about who you’d think was 2nd and 3rd best and how big those gaps are in comparison.  Also, I just personally think there’s more of an argument for FS and CB. My personal opinion Ray Lewis is the third best defensive player ever behind LT and Reggie so he, by default , would be my first pick out of the three. 
 

Strange I think you could put all 3 as Ravens though. 

[HessStation]

I also considered Bob Sanders at FS instead of Harrison as my third WR. 
 

he has and will be forgotten over time due to too many injuries and a short career though. 

[PS17]

My team is still the best 

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, HessStation said:

I think Reed, Lewis and Deion were all best at their position so it’s more about who you’d think was 2nd and 3rd best and how big those gaps are in comparison.  Also, I just personally think there’s more of an argument for FS and CB. My personal opinion Ray Lewis is the third best defensive player ever behind LT and Reggie so he, by default , would be my first pick out of the three. 
 

Strange I think you could put all 3 as Ravens though. 

Oh I'm definitely not going to argue against Ray Lewis being in the elite company you put him in.  And I'd say when I do this it ends up being 50/50 between Ray or Reed for that Ravens slot.  

I just think the gap between him and the next best MLB/ILB is probably not as big as the one between Ed Reed and the next best FS.  

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, HessStation said:

I also considered Bob Sanders at FS instead of Harrison as my third WR.

Yep, Sanders is always in the running for that Colts slot for me but I always just end up going right back to Peyton.  I don't think people realize just how much he carried that franchise or how good he was. 

And that "playoff choker" argument isn't really one worth entertaining.  He beat Brady's cheating Pats 3 out of 5 times in the playoffs, after all.  Would've been 4-1 if not for Ty Law's antics against Marvin Harrison, necessitating the illegal contact rule.

[Maxman]

Thanks @Jetsfan80 Sorry my voice started choppy. Getting used to creating content. 

 

[greenwichjetfan]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

I just think the gap between him and the next best MLB/ILB is probably not as big as the one between Ed Reed and the next best FS.  

Yep, this was my entire point as well.

I’m also biased because Ed Reed is my all time favorite non-Jets, non-QB player. Close to a decade after his retirement I still watch his highlights and Mike’d Ups on YouTube.

I mean cmon, the guy won essentially Dee Milliner an AFC defensive player of the month award - the only productive portion of Dee’s entire career.