jgb Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 8 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said: Maybe not in the world you live in, but in the real world, it absolutely does. Integrity still counts for something, even if people like you think otherwise. I didn't say integrity isn't important. Only that it is naive to rely on the good faith of others in business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 20 minutes ago, jgb said: I didn't say integrity isn't important. Only that it is naive to rely on the good faith of others in business. You certainly did imply that, on more than one occasion. And as @Scott Dierking said earlier, naivety has nothing to do with it, a man's word is supposed to be his bond, as the saying goes., 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Just now, ARodJetsFan said: You certainly did imply that, on more than one occasion. I think you apply a fair bit of confirmation bias to how you interpret things. In any case, I've now stated it explicitly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 28 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said: Maybe not in the world you live in, but in the real world, it absolutely does. Integrity still counts for something, even if people like you think otherwise. Why are you presuming it was Reddick who lied in this case? Douglas has a pretty beefy history of obfuscation. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Just now, T0mShane said: Why are you presuming it was Reddick who lied in this case? Douglas has a pretty beefy history of obfuscation. Pretty well documented that Reddick went back on his word, at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 minute ago, ARodJetsFan said: Pretty well documented that Reddick went back on his word, at this point. Counterpoint: there is zero documentation of Reddick going back on his word. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Why are you presuming it was Reddick who lied in this case? Douglas has a pretty beefy history of obfuscation. You can always tell who has never been in an high-stakes negotiation before. They place way too much on the emotional elements ("He lied! That's unfair!") and tend to default to the hard-ass position ("Let him rot!"). The pros don't get emotionally invested. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 3 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Counterpoint: there is zero documentation of Reddick going back on his word. It's just a red herring, people like to think of every exchange as one between a good guy and a bad guy. But in life, it's almost never that black and white. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 9 minutes ago, jgb said: I think you apply a fair bit of confirmation bias to how you interpret things. In any case, I've now stated it explicitly. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 minute ago, jgb said: It's just a red herring, people like to think of every exchange as one between a good guy and a bad guy. But in life, it's almost never that black and white. There is indeed some truth to that. None of us know the entirety of the real story, we can only try & read between the lines, as best we can. That being said, sometimes things get lost in translation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Counterpoint: there is zero documentation of Reddick going back on his word. In His April Fools press conference he said he would attend and he failed to do so. Unless it was a prank after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 3 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said: There is indeed some truth to that. None of us know the entirety of the real story, we can only try & read between the lines, as best we can. That being said, sometimes things get lost in translation. Well, I'm back to my original point that it doesn't really matter. It obviously was a bad idea for JD to depend on Haasan's verbal representations before consummating the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 2 minutes ago, Claymation said: In His April Fools press conference he said he would attend and he failed to do so. Unless it was a prank after all. I told my wife that I would take out the garbage last night. It's past midnight and it's still sitting there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 9 minutes ago, Claymation said: In His April Fools press conference he said he would attend and he failed to do so. Unless it was a prank after all. Was there another press conference other than the one I posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Was there another press conference other than the one I posted? Last negotiation I was in I lied to my adversary and told him something he wanted was very important to my client, when in fact my client didn't care at all about it. I did this to extract concessions that my client did care about. Am I a naughty boy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Just now, jgb said: Am I a naughty boy? Generally speaking yes 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Generally speaking yes 😂 You promised discretion. Breach of verbal promise! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Jd lies for a living as do all gms and owners and yet some keep saying how the player went back on his word - why not gms and owners do it all if the time- how many times have owners said we will take care of player x he will be with us for life then they trade or cut the player and say “ it was just business” or had an offer we had to consider - teams moved to other cities after saying we are not going anywhere joe literally said Adams will be a jet for life then traded him a few weeks later ( great trade) but the point is Joe lied or changed his mind - players certainly can do it as well - Joe didn’t offer the player a deal he liked so the player may have changed his opinion and what the best course of action is for himself and the reality is gms and owners don’t have the players best interest in mind 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 minute ago, kmnj said: Jd lies for a living as do all gms and owners and yet some keep saying how the player went back on his word - why not gms and owners do it all if the time- how many times have owners said we will take care of player x he will be with us for life then they trade or cut the player and say “ it was just business” or had an offer we had to consider - teams moved to other cities after saying we are not going anywhere joe literally said Adams will be a jet for life then traded him a few weeks later ( great trade) but the point is Joe lied or changed his mind - players certainly can do it as well - Joe didn’t offer the player a deal he liked so the player may have changed his opinion and what the best course of action is for himself and the reality is gms and owners don’t have the players best interest in mind Exactly. There are no bad guys here. This is business as usual not only sports business but all business. Believe someone's words at your own hazard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Counterpoint: there is zero documentation of Reddick going back on his word. Watch his press conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: They ask him if he’s planning on being here one year or long term. His answer is “I’m open to anything/I’m gonna let Joe and my agents worry about that/I’m just gonna be here and give it my all.” @ARodJetsFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Someone is going to need a mop in this thread soon with some of the c-jerking that is going on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 7 hours ago, jgb said: What I disagree with is that you think one approach is morally superior to the other. 100% 1 player, Matt Judon, shows up & reported to his team, despite being unhappy with his contract. The other player, Reddick, says he'll show up & then disappears and completely blows his new team off. You think Reddick's behavior is justified - which is where you & I will never agree. Judon's approach is absolutely, morally superior to Reddick's, in every sense of the term. The only people who think otherwise, are people who have no morals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 6 minutes ago, T0mShane said: @ARodJetsFan Great @TomShane - try listening to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Why are you presuming it was Reddick who lied in this case? Douglas has a pretty beefy history of obfuscation. Because we all saw him stand at the podium and say he was coming to camp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Hasson who? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 50 minutes ago, jgb said: Exactly. There are no bad guys here. This is business as usual not only sports business but all business. Believe someone's words at your own hazard. Wasn’t like this when I handled my business. Our word meant something. I don’t get the JD was naive because he took a public statement at face value. im glad I don’t work in a world where your word has no value and where the person taking someone at their word is blamed for being naive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 Just now, Jet Nut said: Wasn’t like this when I handled my business. Our word meant something. I don’t get the JD was naive because he took a public statement at face value. im glad I don’t work in a world where your word has no value and where the person taking someone at their word is blamed for being naive. That makes 2 of us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARodJetsFan Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 5 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Hasson who? It was a nice play, but I'd like to see him get some more pass-rushing moves in his toolbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 12 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Because we all saw him stand at the podium and say he was coming to camp? Serious question: was there a second press conference that I missed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradSmith16fan Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 8 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Hasson who? Dwight Freeney esque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waka Flocka Flacco Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 24 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said: 100% 1 player, Matt Judon, shows up & reported to his team, despite being unhappy with his contract. The other player, Reddick, says he'll show up & then disappears and completely blows his new team off. You think Reddick's behavior is justified - which is where you & I will never agree. Judon's approach is absolutely, morally superior to Reddick's, in every sense of the term. The only people who think otherwise, are people who have no morals. It’s the NFL. Neither is morally superior to the other. The only people who think otherwise are children. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 17 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Serious question: was there a second press conference that I missed? Don’t think so. Only one I remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 2 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Don’t think so. Only one I remember I ask because I think you guys have taken his quote out of context. Cimini asks him if he’s looking to be here for one year or multiple years and Reddick answers that he’ll let his agents handle that with Douglas and he’ll “be here” for whatever they work out. He’s never asked if he’s going to be at camp without a new contract, even though that’s how Hughes and Rosenblatt have presented Reddick’s comment 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted August 18 Author Share Posted August 18 1 hour ago, jgb said: Exactly. There are no bad guys here. This is business as usual not only sports business but all business. Believe someone's words at your own hazard. We have become an emancipated society and is shameful. Grown man with enlarged boobs listening to Taylor Swift. Please start cooking with ghee! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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