drago Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 None of them have won anything (except holmgren with an stacked team, but failed against those 98 Broncos we all know and love). If there was a new expansion team in place for next year, who do you take? 1. Mangini 2. Reid 3. Holmgren 4. Del Rio 5. Payton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 None of them have won anything (except holmgren with an stacked team, but failed against those 98 Broncos we all know and love). If there was a new expansion team in place for next year, who do you take? 1. Mangini 2. Reid 3. Holmgren 4. Del Rio 5. Payton If you are building from the bottom up and those are my choices I go with Reid. Reid and the GM (Whoever he is) took that Franchise when it was down following the Ray Rhodes years and brought it back quickly and has been able to keep it on top through most of his tenure. Del Rio is overated Holmgren probably wouldn't take the job Payton and Mangini would be intersting considering the success they had last year. Reid though has the track record I would be looking for as a coach and evaluator of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 If you are building from the bottom up and those are my choices I go with Reid. Reid and the GM (Whoever he is) took that Franchise when it was down following the Ray Rhodes years and brought it back quickly and has been able to keep it on top through most of his tenure. Del Rio is overated Holmgren probably wouldn't take the job Payton and Mangini would be intersting considering the success they had last year. Reid though has the track record I would be looking for as a coach and evaluator of talent. I like Reid a lot. People don't give him enough credit for always having a contender. Not to mention those Eagle teams haven't always had a ton of talent, they seem to do it with smart play on both sides of the ball. He also had some pretty big balls drafting McNabb where he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Other than sharing last name with a notorious 1970s porn star, at a loss why Jack DelRIo has an NFL HC gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 Other than sharing last name with a notorious 1970s porn star, at a loss why Jack DelRIo has an NFL HC gig. If we could vote on most boring team in the NFL, the Jax Jags get my vote. I don't know why, but i could never sit down and watch their game...unless they are playing NYJ...and last time that happened...i stopped watching in the 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joiseyjet Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Peyton got his team to the NFC champ. game ,I`m as big a Mangini fan as anyone but you have to win the playoff games "NOT JUST GET THERE" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryno the Jet Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I'm as much of a homer as anyone, but Mangini and Payton are too unproven. Reid is the obvious choice here for me. I understand Reid learned from Holmgren, but Mike has control issues and Andy is more of a father to his players than his own kids. Can you say D_E_D_I_C_A_T_I_O_N_! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 Peyton got his team to the NFC champ. game ,I`m as big a Mangini fan as anyone but you have to win the playoff games "NOT JUST GET THERE" Payton = NFC Mangini = AFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireSatherclapclap Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Reid, Mangini, Payton, Holmgren and Del Rio. That order in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 i would take mangini because he gives chances to hard working smart blue collar great character players . he reminds me of a young vince lombardi and chuck noll. there teams were always the most prepared and well coached Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireSatherclapclap Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 i would take mangini because he gives chances to hard working smart blue collar great character players . he reminds me of a young vince lombardi and chuck noll. there teams were always the most prepared and well coached Mangini only one year and did a good job. Look what Andy Ried does year after year if Mangini has another playoff run with this idiot Tannenbaum and defensive cordinator calling the shots then i'll concider him top notch. Until then I need more then 17 games my man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 i would take mangini because he gives chances to hard working smart blue collar great character players . he reminds me of a young vince lombardi and chuck noll. there teams were always the most prepared and well coached Wow. That is high praise for a guy heading into his 2nd season as a HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 None of them have won anything (except holmgren with an stacked team, but failed against those 98 Broncos we all know and love). If there was a new expansion team in place for next year, who do you take? 1. Mangini 2. Reid 3. Holmgren 4. Del Rio 5. Payton Rofl I hope thats a joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Mangini only one year and did a good job. Look what Andy Ried does year after year if Mangini has another playoff run with this idiot Tannenbaum and defensive cordinator calling the shots then i'll concider him top notch. Until then I need more then 17 games my man. im not taking any thing from andy reid but mangini would not have signed TO. he probably had the team to win a super bowl. Wow. That is high praise for a guy heading into his 2nd season as a HC. thats not me who praised him that high. it was mike ditka who said that mangini reminds him of those guys and just like you jaws and that espn dude were all stunned. it was on espn. the whole world saw it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireSatherclapclap Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 im not taking any thing from andy reid but mangini would not have signed TO. he probably had the team to win a super bowl. thats not me who praised him that high. it was mike ditka who said that mangini reminds him of those guys and just like you jaws and that espn dude were all stunned. it was on espn. the whole world saw it They lost to a Patriots team 24 21 great game. Owens put up numbers for them a good coach takes risks look at Parcells look at Bellichik heck look at Mangini those are all coaches that roll the dice on fourth down situations. Look at Herm Edwards never seen a punting situation he wasn't estacic about. Point is we can kill coach Ried on taking a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 They lost to a Patriots team 24 21 great game. Owens put up numbers for them a good coach takes risks look at Parcells look at Bellichik heck look at Mangini those are all coaches that roll the dice on fourth down situations. Look at Herm Edwards never seen a punting situation he wasn't estacic about. Point is we can kill coach Ried on taking a shot. first that is no excuse that they lost to patriots. there are no prizes for losers. and they probably would have won if TO did not always complain to mcnabb about throwing to him. TO also dropped a crucial drive extender in that game nobody talks about that. and oh yeah wat happened to bill parcell in dalas u know the answer to that. good coaches dont take risks willy nilly. bill belly takes calculated risks. he doesnot take risks for the fun of it. and mangini is not a hermy. your confusing on the field risks with off the field risk which are two separate issues. one is bieng agressive on the field and the other can kill a team. marwin lewis great gameplaner on the field but he added bad character players to his team. he took a risk off the field and he killed a team that probably could have gone to the super bowl on the arm of carson palmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 FIRESATHER Tannenbaum is overrated! Bradway is responsible for most of the roster and hiring Man-Genious while Tannenbaum wasted two first day picks of bums and only drafted two inpact players (Mangold, D'brick) And two role players (Leon, Smith) about that statement. bradway didnt even know who mangini was. tannenbaum recomended mangini to woody when they were searching and that is why woody asked bradway to step down, because mangini wanted to work with tannenbaum because they were friends when they were lower level workers under bill parcell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 If you are building from the bottom up and those are my choices I go with Reid. Reid and the GM (Whoever he is) took that Franchise when it was down following the Ray Rhodes years and brought it back quickly and has been able to keep it on top through most of his tenure. Del Rio is overated Holmgren probably wouldn't take the job Payton and Mangini would be intersting considering the success they had last year. Reid though has the track record I would be looking for as a coach and evaluator of talent. I completely agree here. This year was the first Reid really got any real recognition for his great jobs over the years. He has his team that doesn't have the most talent in contention every year. They didn't have the best talent in that division this year--certainly not when McNabb went down--and they won it by 1 1/2 games. I like the work Mangini and Payton have done, but IMO, they have to do it for more than one year and maintain their levels of success to be considered better coaches than Reid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I completely agree here. This year was the first Reid really got any real recognition for his great jobs over the years. He has his team that doesn't have the most talent in contention every year. They didn't have the best talent in that division this year--certainly not when McNabb went down--and they won it by 1 1/2 games. I like the work Mangini and Payton have done, but IMO, they have to do it for more than one year and maintain their levels of success to be considered better coaches than Reid. Reid has not won the championship but he has kept the Eagles for practically every year in contention and in the playoffs- there is something to be said for that in this era of sports. He has done this even with major injuries also and not made that as an excuse for losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireSatherclapclap Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 about that statement. bradway didnt even know who mangini was. tannenbaum recomended mangini to woody when they were searching and that is why woody asked bradway to step down, because mangini wanted to work with tannenbaum because they were friends when they were lower level workers under bill parcell Maybe I had that wrong. Still bad GM look at this draft. After the first round noone of further use. And as for no prize for losers? What the heck as Mangini done? Does he have playoff wins? NO. Does he have division titles? NOPE. As he ever HC in the superbowl? NOPE. If you want to take Mangini over Ried ok but you said over Holmgren too so you flip flopped John Kerry style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted February 14, 2007 Author Share Posted February 14, 2007 Maybe I had that wrong. Still bad GM look at this draft. After the first round noone of further use. And as for no prize for losers? What the heck as Mangini done? Does he have playoff wins? NO. Does he have division titles? NOPE. As he ever HC in the superbowl? NOPE. If you want to take Mangini over Ried ok but you said over Holmgren too so you flip flopped John Kerry style. The only reason i take Mangini over reid would be because he is more inventive. I think the game changes a lot through the years, and i like that Mangini isn't afraid to change his style game to game if it gets him a win. Its not a knock on Reid, as Faba said, he keeps his teams in contention which is very hard to do. Look at all the teams that haven't made the playoffs over a 5 year, or 10 year span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Mangini has been a head coach for ONE ****ing season. And people are already putting him ahead of Mike Holmgren (3 Super Bowls, one championship, 4 conference championship game appearances) and Andy Reid (One Super Bowl, 4 conference championship appearances). I like Mangini and think he's a good coach, but he is not even in the same league as those guys yet. Not even remotely close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Mangini has been a head coach for ONE ****ing season. And people are already putting him ahead of Mike Holmgren (3 Super Bowls, one championship, 4 conference championship game appearances) and Andy Reid (One Super Bowl, 4 conference championship appearances). I like Mangini and think he's a good coach, but he is not even in the same league as those guys yet. Not even remotely close. Yep. To quote Public Enemy, "Don't believe the Hype" Del Rio should not even be part of this conversation, although he went 12-4 in 2005. My list: Reid, Holmgren, Payton & Mangini. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted February 14, 2007 Author Share Posted February 14, 2007 Mangini has been a head coach for ONE ****ing season. And people are already putting him ahead of Mike Holmgren (3 Super Bowls, one championship, 4 conference championship game appearances) and Andy Reid (One Super Bowl, 4 conference championship appearances). I like Mangini and think he's a good coach, but he is not even in the same league as those guys yet. Not even remotely close. the question isn't whose past is better. its if starting a franchise tomorrow... yeah del rio shouldn't be part of it, i shoudl have said cowher or someone like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Maybe I had that wrong. Still bad GM look at this draft. After the first round noone of further use. Leon Washington? Brad Smith? You act like every team out there drafts a producer in every round. And who the hell grades a draft after 1 year anyways? I'd like to see you name 7 teams drafts from last year that produced more than the Jets draft in the 1st year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 the question isn't whose past is better. its if starting a franchise tomorrow... yeah del rio shouldn't be part of it, i shoudl have said cowher or someone like that... How else are you going to judge them other than by looking at the past? Mangini has been a head coach for one season. On what grounds could you possibly put him ahead of Holmgren or Reid, other than the fact that he happens to be the head coach of your team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justincredible Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 My heart says Mangini but my head says Holmgren or Reid. I will say I couldn't be happier about our head coaching situation right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted February 14, 2007 Author Share Posted February 14, 2007 How else are you going to judge them other than by looking at the past? Mangini has been a head coach for one season. On what grounds could you possibly put him ahead of Holmgren or Reid, other than the fact that he happens to be the head coach of your team? Considering I would be happy as a pig in chit with either mangini or reid, its not that much of a difference. It probably is me being a homer in that i lean towards Mangini, its not like i'm sitting here saying reid is garbage. He's a great coach, but i think the potential with Mangini is higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Maybe I had that wrong. Still bad GM look at this draft. After the first round noone of further use. And as for no prize for losers? What the heck as Mangini done? Does he have playoff wins? NO. Does he have division titles? NOPE. As he ever HC in the superbowl? NOPE. If you want to take Mangini over Ried ok but you said over Holmgren too so you flip flopped John Kerry style. this waas his first year as a head coach ever and he took a team that was 4-12 last year to the playoffs. other than payton nobady else did that and payton had far superior talent than mangini did with this team. he made a talentless team play well above there talent level. jets were suppose to have the worst record in 2006. stop blazin the ganjha Mangini has been a head coach for ONE ****ing season. And people are already putting him ahead of Mike Holmgren (3 Super Bowls, one championship, 4 conference championship game appearances) and Andy Reid (One Super Bowl, 4 conference championship appearances). I like Mangini and think he's a good coach, but he is not even in the same league as those guys yet. Not even remotely close. holmgren had far superior talent when he won the SB. guys like reggie white and bret farve. he had more talent than the bronco team that beat them in the SB. Yep. To quote Public Enemy, "Don't believe the Hype" Del Rio should not even be part of this conversation, although he went 12-4 in 2005. My list: Reid, Holmgren, Payton & Mangini. your not cool enough to qoute public enemy:bag: My heart says Mangini but my head says Holmgren or Reid. I will say I couldn't be happier about our head coaching situation right now. go with your heart. your heads about to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 this waas his first year as a head coach ever and he took a team that was 4-12 last year to the playoffs. other than payton nobady else did that and payton had far superior talent than mangini did with this team. he made a talentless team play well above there talent level. jets were suppose to have the worst record in 2006. stop blazin the ganjha John Fox took the 1-15 Panthers to a 7-9 record in his first season as Head Coach in 2002. That's a damn good achievement considering that the other teams in the NFC South won 9 games or more that season and that Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl. BTW: I am cool enough to quote PE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 John Fox took the 1-15 Panthers to a 7-9 record in his first season as Head Coach in 2002. That's a damn good achievement considering that the other teams in the NFC South won 9 games or more that season and that Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl. BTW: I am cool enough to quote PE. you lose more cool points just for saying that:Nuts: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 you lose more cool points just for saying that:Nuts: I didn't realize cool points were a stat on JN. And you are the authority on what is cool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I didn't realize cool points were a stat on JN. And you are the authority on what is cool? youll gain cool points if you tell me what does POTW NOM mean. i dont know a lot of chat lingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 youll gain cool points if you tell me what does POTW NOM mean. i dont know a lot of chat lingo POTW NOM means Post of the Week Nomination. A great poster here, GreenBeans, tabulates the "POTW Nom's" and posts a thread each Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 POTW NOM means Post of the Week Nomination. A great poster here, GreenBeans, tabulates the "POTW Nom's" and posts a thread each Wednesday. oh thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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