Arsis Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I predict the yanks win 16 out of their first 20 games coming out of the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I predict the yanks win 16 out of their first 20 games coming out of the break. The schedule is there for them to do it. Unfortunately, I don't think the pitching or consistencey is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 The schedule is there for them to do it. Unfortunately, I don't think the pitching or consistencey is. Let me explain to everyone why it will be damn near impossible for this too happen. Mike Mussina and Kei Igawa. That is all. A pussbag and the reincarnate of Irabu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Let me explain to everyone why it will be damn near impossible for this too happen. Mike Mussina and Kei Igawa. That is all. A pussbag and the reincarnate of Irabu. Igawa is nowhere near as good as Irabu was...and that's pretty damn bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Let me explain to everyone why it will be damn near impossible for this too happen. Mike Mussina and Kei Igawa. That is all. A pussbag and the reincarnate of Irabu. Igawa will make MAX 2 more starts and Mussina has been much better in the last month. The pitching is NOT the problem on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Igawa will make MAX 2 more starts and Mussina has been much better in the last month. The pitching is NOT the problem on this team. Guess which team is LAST, in all of Major League baseball in the number of strikeouts as a staff? Guess which team is 8th in the number of total Walks allowed as a staff? An equation of giving up walks, not being able to strike out batters and not going deep in games is a big problem. It puts pressure on a defense, and ultimately an offense that finds itself behind early and often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Guess which team is LAST, in all of Major League baseball in the number of strikeouts as a staff? Guess which team is 8th in the number of total Walks allowed as a staff? An equation of giving up walks, not being able to strike out batters and not going deep in games is a big problem. It puts pressure on a defense, and ultimately an offense that finds itself behind early and often. "Pitching to contact"- Great idea, if you have a staff of David Cones and Jimmy Keys or Chein Ming Wangs. Otherwise baseball teams with good pitching staffs throw strikes, don't walk people and strike people out. But Torre has become so inured to the Stott "strikeouts are bad"wrongheadedness that even with the premier K guy of his generation on staff, he's conditioned everyone else to nibble. Again, it can work if you keep the ball down and have excellent control. But it's not the only nor the most successful way to pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Guess which team is LAST, in all of Major League baseball in the number of strikeouts as a staff? Guess which team is 8th in the number of total Walks allowed as a staff? An equation of giving up walks, not being able to strike out batters and not going deep in games is a big problem. It puts pressure on a defense, and ultimately an offense that finds itself behind early and often. Guess what team didn't have their full rotation intact all season and won't until 2 weeks from now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Guess what team didn't have their full rotation intact all season and won't until 2 weeks from now? That would mean there has been a pitching problem. There are no guarntees 2 weeks from now, either. And adding Roger Clemens should not be deduced as being in the Yankee fold from the pre-season. All teams have injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 That would mean there has been a pitching problem. There are no guarntees 2 weeks from now, either. And adding Roger Clemens should not be deduced as being in the Yankee fold from the pre-season. All teams have injuries. The yankees have started SEVEN rookie pitchers this season. Thats BY FAR the most of all time before the all star break and anyone who watches this team knows that the hitting has been the problem all of the first half, not the pitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 The yankees have started SEVEN rookie pitchers this season. Thats BY FAR the most of all time before the all star break and anyone who watches this team knows that the hitting has been the problem all of the first half, not the pitching. So, the high walk totals and the lowest strikeouts are a GOOD thing? Does Bugg not watch th eteam? He seeemed to think they were important, and I respect his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 So, the high walk totals and the lowest strikeouts are a GOOD thing? Does Bugg not watch th eteam? He seeemed to think they were important, and I respect his opinion. Once again you ignore my post. Those overall pitching stats are MEANINGLESS. Many of the players who compiled those overall stats are not on the yankees anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Once again you ignore my post. Those overall pitching stats are MEANINGLESS. Many of the players who compiled those overall stats are not on the yankees anymore. I think we can agree then, pitching has been a problem for the Yankees in the first half. What happens in the second half is yet to be seen. That was easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 I think we can agree then, pitching has been a problem for the Yankees in the first half. What happens in the second half is yet to be seen. That was easy. The main problem was the hitting (as i've been saying.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 The main problem was the hitting (as i've been saying.) Why are they replacing the pitchers that pitched then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 The yankees have started SEVEN rookie pitchers this season. Thats BY FAR the most of all time before the all star break and anyone who watches this team knows that the hitting has been the problem all of the first half, not the pitching. Yeah, but they chose not to start Hughes from the beginning. And they chose to start Kei "High Flat Strike in Japanese" Igawa instead. The fact that they had 7 rookies is as much a function of bad decisions that could have been avoided. For an extra $30 million above what they paid for Igawa, they could's have had Dice K, in which case they wouldn't be paying Clemens anything. Granted it's all 20/20, but the 7 rookies didn't happen in a vacuum. Hughes should've been here. And who ever told them Igawa was servicable needs to be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Yeah, but they chose not to start Hughes from the beginning. And they chose to start Kei "High Flat Strike in Japanese" Igawa instead. The fact that they had 7 rookies is as much a function of bad decisions that could have been avoided. For an extra $30 million above what they paid for Igawa, they could's have had Dice K, in which case they wouldn't be paying Clemens anything. Granted it's all 20/20, but the 7 rookies didn't happen in a vacuum. Hughes should've been here. And who ever told them Igawa was servicable needs to be fired. The voice of reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Yeah, but they chose not to start Hughes from the beginning. And they chose to start Kei "High Flat Strike in Japanese" Igawa instead. The fact that they had 7 rookies is as much a function of bad decisions that could have been avoided. For an extra $30 million above what they paid for Igawa, they could's have had Dice K, in which case they wouldn't be paying Clemens anything. Granted it's all 20/20, but the 7 rookies didn't happen in a vacuum. Hughes should've been here. And who ever told them Igawa was servicable needs to be fired. Where did I say that Igawa was a good move? It was horrible. That doesn't mean the main problem still isn't the underachieving up and down the lineup and the lack of any depth. Thats the real issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted July 10, 2007 Share Posted July 10, 2007 Guess what team didn't have their full rotation intact all season and won't until 2 weeks from now? Mets? I don't think Pedro will be back that soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Mets? I don't think Pedro will be back that soon. ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BP Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Bump again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 AL EAST 1 Yankees 2(tied)Red Sox 2(tied)Blue Jays 4 Devil Rays 5 O's AL CENTRAL 1 Indians 2 Tigers (WC) 3 White Sox 4 Twins 5 Royals AL WEST 1 A's 2 Rangers 3 Angels 4 M's NL EAST 1 Mets 2 Braves (WC) 3 Phillies 4 Marlins 5 Nats NL CENTRAL 1 Brewers 2 Cards 3 Cubs 4 Pirates 5 Cincy 6 Houston NL WEST 1 Dodgers 2 D'Backs 3 Pods 4 Giants 5 Rockies AL MVP: Travis Hafner NL MVP: Carlos Beltran AL CY: Rich Harden NL CY: Ben Sheets AL ROY: Phil Hughes NL ROY: Mike Pelfrey ALDS: Yankees over Tigers, A's over Indians NLDS: Mets over Brewers, Braves over Dodgers ALCS: Yankees over A's NLCS: Braves over Mets World Series: Yankees over Braves in 6 Well at least you got the Indians, Royals, Marlins, and Nats finishing positions right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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