124 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 The Best: Quarterback ESPN.com The Best: Quarterback Jeffri Chadiha: Peyton Manning, QB, Colts He edges Tom Brady because he finally has a Super Bowl ring. Manning runs the Colts' high-powered offense with stunning efficiency and he's blessed with an impressive combination of both intelligence and instincts. And as good as he is, he has a strong work ethic that enables him to stay at the top of his game year in and year out. His critics knock his poise when he faces heavy pressure but that's really the only bad thing you can say about the guy. John Clayton: Manning The Peyton Manning-Tom Brady debate wages on now just like the Joe Montana-Dan Marino quarterback debate raged in the 1980s. Montana won out against Marino because of the Super Bowl titles. While Brady still has the edge in Super Bowl titles (3 to 1), Manning made a huge step this past season, winning his first title. While Brady was winning his three Super Bowls, Manning struggled to find a way to beat Bill Belichick's defense. But over the past two years, Manning has figured out how to beat the Patriots, leading the Colts to three straight wins over their AFC rivals. Merril Hoge: Manning The best quarterback in the league is Peyton Manning. There are other quarterbacks in the league who possess his mental and physical toughness. There are quarterbacks in the league who have an arm as strong or stronger than his. But there is no quarterback in the league who combines those talents the way Manning does. His knowledge of the game has been covered ad nauseam. He's a film room rat who knows everything the defense is going to do and everything his offense is capable of doing. But it's his passion to be great that stands out to me. Manning has practiced to be a great NFL quarterback since he was in short pants. I'm not talking about practicing to be just an NFL quarterback, but a great one. He knew growing up that every moment in the film room and weight room put him that much closer to being a great player. Now he's reached that mark and he's still putting in the work and sweat to be even better every day. Matt Mosley: Manning This question will be debated for the next 50 years: Tony Romo or Peyton Manning? No, the great Manning-Tom Brady debate will be passed down to future generations of bloggers. Since my efforts to abstain from this argument have been rebuffed, I'm going to say Manning is the best quarterback in the league. Of course, Brady will always be able to "scoreboard" Manning on Super Bowl titles unless the Colts make a remarkable run. Brady led the Patriots to three world titles in four years with less talent around him than Manning had. Of course, he also had a better defense, but let's come back to that another time. If we based this solely on winning, Brady's obviously your guy. In addition to his first Super Bowl win in February, Manning had one of the most magical seasons in league history in 2004, when he threw 49 touchdowns against only 10 interceptions to break Dan Marino's record. Manning, a nine-year veteran, already has two more touchdown passes than 49ers great Joe Montana, who played 15 seasons. He may end up being the greatest quarterback in league history, and since he's still in his prime, I have a hard time putting anyone in front of him. Since I'm limited to 100 words here, and can't possibly build a strong argument for Manning in that amount of space, please join me on the Hashmarks blog for further discussion. Len Pasquarelli: Manning With the Indianapolis Colts' victory in Super Bowl XLI, Peyton Manning checked the last item on the career to-do list that most critics look to in assessing great quarterbacks. Truth be told, the nine-year veteran qualified long before he won his first Super Bowl ring, but the victory over the Chicago Bears filled out his résumé nicely, and hopefully silenced whatever few detractors remained. When it comes to just the physical art of throwing a football, only a few quarterbacks in history belong in Manning's class, even though several might have had superior arm strength. But in terms of the complete package -- what transpires in the huddle, at the line of scrimmage and then when the ball is snapped -- Manning is unparalleled. And his study habits, which make him one of the smartest ever to play the position, are singular as well. Think about this: In the history of the NFL, only 10 times have other quarterbacks posted seasons with passer ratings of 104.0 or better. Manning, who has won the past three passing championships, has an efficiency rating of 105.8 for the last four campaigns. With an apology to Tom Brady of New England, arguably the only other quarterback who belongs in Manning's galaxy, there is none better. Manning has said he plans to play another eight or nine seasons and, if that's the case, he'll put every league passing record out of reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 seems to be right on that Romo-Brady arguement will go down in history haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted May 31, 2007 Author Share Posted May 31, 2007 I don't know, I still have Brady as my #1. Hard to ignore 3 rings to 1 with less talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Brady is a product of a great system. Peyton is a true leader. He calls his own plays and had to deal with having a bad defense most of his career. Switch the two players and Peyton would have 7 rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 This is a very hard question to answer, you can't go wrong either way. I just think I trust Manning more, he's just like Marino but with a ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted May 31, 2007 Author Share Posted May 31, 2007 Brady is a product of a great system. Peyton is a true leader. He calls his own plays and had to deal with having a bad defense most of his career. Switch the two players and Peyton would have 7 rings. Maybe, maybe not. Peyton Manning won a championship last year and thats all well and good but he struggled a lot and the running back combination of Rhodes & Addai and a Bob Sanders led defense, along with Vinatieri, carried them throughout most of the playoffs. Give Brady, Marvin Harrsion, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, Dallas Clark, Ben Utect and Joseph Addai or Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, Pollard / Clark / Utecht & James and I think the Indianapolis Colts easily have more than 1 championship. How does Peyton do in New England? Who knows? This is always going to be an interesting argument, one that nobody will ever know the true answer too. A. How would've Peyton done with less talent and B. How would've Brady done in Peyton's shoes with more talent but against a Bill Belichick defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ten Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Maybe, maybe not. Peyton Manning won a championship last year and thats all well and good but he struggled a lot and the running back combination of Rhodes & Addai and a Bob Sanders led defense, along with Vinatieri, carried them throughout most of the playoffs. Give Brady, Marvin Harrsion, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokley, Dallas Clark, Ben Utect and Joseph Addai or Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, Pollard / Clark / Utecht & James and I think the Indianapolis Colts easily have more than 1 championship. How does Peyton do in New England? Who knows? This is always going to be an interesting argument, one that nobody will ever know the true answer too. A. How would've Peyton done with less talent and B. How would've Brady done in Peyton's shoes with more talent but against a Bill Belichick defense The same Vinateri that won two superbowls for Tom Brady? The pats have probably had the best defense this decade,and having a defense that can hold the other team to 13 points and set up great field positions with turnovers is probably more helpful to a QB than a great WR core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Brady is a product of a great system. Peyton is a true leader. He calls his own plays and had to deal with having a bad defense most of his career. Switch the two players and Peyton would have 7 rings. Brady is a product of a system but Manning with Harrison, Wayne and Edge isn't? That's good stuff right there. All QBs are a product of their systems. If you're a $hitty qb no system is going to make you look good plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Brady is a product of a great system. Peyton is a true leader. He calls his own plays and had to deal with having a bad defense most of his career. Switch the two players and Peyton would have 7 rings. yep peyton would've won in 2002, 05 and 06 so thats only 6 rings i think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Brady is a product of a system but Manning with Harrison, Wayne and Edge isn't? That's good stuff right there. All QBs are a product of their systems. If you're a $hitty qb no system is going to make you look good plain and simple. Manning was there before all those guys, and he didn't win with Edge now did he? Manning calls his own plays, Brady sits back and lets someone tell him what to do. Manning will go down as the best QB of this generation, Brady will be the guy who kept the seat warm for awhile before Peyton took his thrown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alk Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Manning was there before all those guys, and he didn't win with Edge now did he? Manning calls his own plays, Brady sits back and lets someone tell him what to do. Manning will go down as the best QB of this generation, Brady will be the guy who kept the seat warm for awhile before Peyton took his thrown. Tom Brady calls his own plays more often than you think. I find it hard to believe that Manning calls 100% of the plays. If that were the case, what's the point of having an OC? I'm not trying to argue that Brady IS the better QB, I was just laughing at the fact that someone actually accused Brady of being a system QB. By the way, Marvin Harrison was there before Manning was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted May 31, 2007 Author Share Posted May 31, 2007 You trust Manning more then Brady? The same Tom Brady who has lost 2 playoff games? Tom Brady - 3 championship rings with less talent. Peyton Manning - 1 championship ring with a tremendous load of talent. Manning continued to choke in '06, difference was he had a clutch kicker and a defense that finally stepped up. Brady could've taken the teams, Manning led to defeats in the playfofs, to the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 It will be settled this year when Brady can't get passed the Divisional round with Moss, Stallworth, Watson, Welker, Maroney, etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 It will be settled this year when Brady can't get passed the Divisional round with Moss, Stallworth, Watson, Welker, Maroney, etc etc etc hahahahahahaha exactly, the Colts will probably roll over them again or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 It will be settled this year when Brady can't get passed the Divisional round with Moss, Stallworth, Watson, Welker, Maroney, etc etc etc While I hate to say this... Who in the hell is going to beat the pats if they get to the playoffs. SD, Indy those are the only two teams I can see at this point but, we have not played a down yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 P Manning > T Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 Brady is a product of a great system. Peyton is a true leader. He calls his own plays and had to deal with having a bad defense most of his career. Switch the two players and Peyton would have 7 rings. What is Peyton? He is the product of a team system that surrounds him with expensive talent and he plays indoors. Polian the ass is not dumb. He has built this team to the maximize home field advantage. BTW it is funny Peyton is now #1 after 'winning' the Superbowl. He watched his D bail him out in the playoffs and he 'won' the superbowl. Peyton did his usual 101 regular season ratings....screech...70.5 post season rating. Many believe Brady had his worst post season and he still had a higher QB rating. Max your argument is flawed. Put Peyton outside for 4 home games in November and December, possible trip to Buffalo and NY in the winter with an inferior OL, WRs and RBs and tell me how good his numbers are. Then put Brady indoors with all that talent and free autonomy to call his own plays. Peyton is talented, but he is also the product of a system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlag Posted May 31, 2007 Share Posted May 31, 2007 B. How would've Brady done in Peyton's shoes with more talent but against a Bill Belichick defense Ya know that's a very good point which I never thought of (rep for that). I wonder how Brady would've done against BB. Hopefully will get to see that matchup in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted May 31, 2007 Author Share Posted May 31, 2007 Thanks Jetlag. Thats something that has always been on my mind, how Brady would do in Indy with more talent but having to face a Bill Belichick created defense. Would certainly be interesting. -- As for some thinking Brady will lose to the Colts in the playoffs again this season, think again. New England improved, both on offense and defense, while Indianapolis, declinded. Yes Jackson and Hayden might come in and do just a good of a job as David & Harper, but maybe not and either way they still lost Cato June and Brandon Stokley. Lets see how Anthony Gonzalez fairs in the pro's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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